Your season grade for Maye

[PATSYLICIOUS]

A. I try to imagine any other rookie qb, maybe even any qb period asked to play on this team and who can really make this offense look better than he has. There isn’t many imo.

And besides the raw talent his leadership and attitudeis very impressive , also there not just for a rookie. We cant afford to blow it with him

 

[PatsFan2]

I know brother.. your right.. I think we are stuck with AVP at least another season.. minimum... I think Covington is out.

Jonathan Kraft doesn't like AVP.

 

[Real fan 02]

Jonathan Kraft doesn't like AVP.

If we move on from him then it needs to be a innovative play caller to fully maximize Drake.

 

[PatsFan2]

If we move on from him then it needs to be a innovative play caller to fully maximize Drake.

Many will be available in a week Black Monday.

 

[Real fan 02]

Many will be available in a week Black Monday.

For an OC caley should be the guy.. if not then I'm open to anyone with a penchant for a explosive offense. I want the offense so different next season that our current WRs have trouble cracking the lineup.

 

[UrbanCowboy]

A
Jackpot! Loved watching him play! Looking forward to the future (despite this admittedly miserable season). so many teams spend 10 or 20 years looking for a franchise QB ... and we got him after 5.

 

[BobDigital]

More than just a grade. Assuming no big changes take place next week. Here is where i rank Maye on the current NFL QB list for this year.

1 Allen - I think he absolutely balled out this year. Currently the best in the NFL
2 Mahomes - I can't put him lower than 2 even if an off year. Besides Allen he'd be the guy I'd want next week if i could have anyone, also his cast kind of sucks. Kelce isn't the Kelce of old and his other targets aren't good. If we point out Maye's horrible cast we need to aknowledge Mahomes hasn't had a great one either.
3 Lamar - No surprise. MVP caliber year. But a little inconsistent at times.
4 Burrow - Another MVP caliber year. Has been arguably top 5 for a while, this year he cements it, but lets be honest about how amazing his offensive cast is. People complain about his D and OL. But unless your OL is complete crap weapons can do a lot to help it and just getting the ball out fast.
5 Hurts - Not a lot of passing stats but he runs a lot so that is a bit deceiving and typically they get up early so why keep passing?
6 Goff - After a so-so start to his career he's come on as one of the better QBs in the league. Just not elite.
7 Dak - missed most of the year but Dak is still clearly a better starter than Maye.

I think these 7 are clearly ahead. Everyone below is almost certainly or probably ahead to various degrees.

8 Herbert - Let's be real here. His first 2 years he had a fairly stacked offense and even before this year had a bit of a cheat code in Ekeler (less last year but still). He really hasn't lived up to the promised showed since. Almost certainly better than Maye right now... but i could see an argument.
9 Purdy - A guy who was blessed with the best offensive cast since KC's early years and a great D to put him in position. One year with only a good cast and little D support and he turns into a bit of a pumpkin? Again, probably better. But i could see an argument to say Maye is the play.
10 Love - A good 2 year stretch for sure. But I'm not seeing any true elite play. Just very solid play. Given his cast isn't amazing, but it really is a well designed and balance group. And they are a little better than they look cause GBs likes to run more than pass. Still rank him over Maye.

I think it's safe to say these guys are above Maye but there is a question. I think after this is becomes harder to be sure who is and isn't above Maybe
.
11 Mayfield - I know right? 2 Solid years in a row make me give him the nod, but I just don't fully trust it. And he has had a great year but played a lot of crap teams with some really good weapons at times.
12 Maye. I think considering his cast and how he has played. Calling him currently the 12th ranked guy isn't an overstatement. Of course this can easily go up or down next year and is not based on his potential but his play this year.

Guys i think are below Maye others might put above.

Tua - has had a godly cast.... but maybe Hill loses 1/2 a step and now you can't get it done anymore? It was all based on 1 incredible year anyway. Outside of that he hasn't been good.
Darnold - Amazing year this year. But i don't buy it for a second. Too much baggage and too many times we've seen one year wonders.
Stafford - Guy made his name tossing to all star WRs and did very little without them. Pass.
Wilson - His offensive cast in Seattle was underrated as was his reliance on athleticism to see him through. He's older now and can't 'cook' like he use to. Pass.
Murray - We've heard about his potential for 6 years. This is what he is. Which is a decent starter, but not special. pass.

So that is all I'll list. I could list more but nah. So yeah. I guess right now I'd say all things considered I think Maye is a better than average NFL QB today. Mistake prone a bit. But all things being equal he's the 12th guy I'd want right now. However... the difference between the 3rd tier where he current sits and the 2nd tier is pretty big. Hopefully he makes that jump next year and we give him the cast he needs to support him.

 

[PWRxWLF]

Technically, he fumbled 0, 12 & 11 times in his first 3 seasons

Clever boy.

 

[Pape]

More than just a grade. Assuming no big changes take place next week. Here is where i rank Maye on the current NFL QB list for this year.

1 Allen - I think he absolutely balled out this year. Currently the best in the NFL
2 Mahomes - I can't put him lower than 2 even if an off year. Besides Allen he'd be the guy I'd want next week if i could have anyone, also his cast kind of sucks. Kelce isn't the Kelce of old and his other targets aren't good. If we point out Maye's horrible cast we need to aknowledge Mahomes hasn't had a great one either.
3 Lamar - No surprise. MVP caliber year. But a little inconsistent at times.
4 Burrow - Another MVP caliber year. Has been arguably top 5 for a while, this year he cements it, but lets be honest about how amazing his offensive cast is. People complain about his D and OL. But unless your OL is complete crap weapons can do a lot to help it and just getting the ball out fast.
5 Hurts - Not a lot of passing stats but he runs a lot so that is a bit deceiving and typically they get up early so why keep passing?
6 Goff - After a so-so start to his career he's come on as one of the better QBs in the league. Just not elite.
7 Dak - missed most of the year but Dak is still clearly a better starter than Maye.

I think these 7 are clearly ahead. Everyone below is almost certainly or probably ahead to various degrees.

8 Herbert - Let's be real here. His first 2 years he had a fairly stacked offense and even before this year had a bit of a cheat code in Ekeler (less last year but still). He really hasn't lived up to the promised showed since. Almost certainly better than Maye right now... but i could see an argument.
9 Purdy - A guy who was blessed with the best offensive cast since KC's early years and a great D to put him in position. One year with only a good cast and little D support and he turns into a bit of a pumpkin? Again, probably better. But i could see an argument to say Maye is the play.
10 Love - A good 2 year stretch for sure. But I'm not seeing any true elite play. Just very solid play. Given his cast isn't amazing, but it really is a well designed and balance group. And they are a little worse than they look cause GBs likes to run more than pass. Still rank him over Maye.

I think it's safe to say these guys are above Maye but there is a question. I think after this is becomes harder to be sure who is and isn't above Maybe
.
11 Mayfield - I know right? 2 Solid years in a row make me give him the nod, but I just don't fully trust it. And he has had a great year but played a lot of crap teams with some really good weapons at times.
12 Maye. I think considering his cast and how he has played. Calling him currently the 12th ranked guy isn't an overstatement. Of course this can easily go up or down next year and is not based on his potential but his play this year.

Guys i think are below Maye others might put above.

Tua - has had a godly cast.... but maybe Hill loses 1/2 a step and now you can't get it done anymore? It was all based on 1 incredible year anyway. Outside of that he hasn't been good.
Darnold - Amazing year this year. But i don't buy it for a second. Too much baggage and too many times we've seen one year wonders.
Stafford - Guy made his name tossing to all star WRs and did very little without them. Pass.
Wilson - His offensive cast in Seattle was underrated as was his reliance on athleticism to see him through. He's older now and can't 'cook' like he use to. Pass.
Murray - We've heard about his potential for 6 years. This is what he is. Which is a decent starter, but not special. pass.

So that is all I'll list. I could list more but nah. So yeah. I guess right now I'd say all things considered I think Maye is a better than average NFL QB today. Mistake prone a bit. But all things being equal he's the 12th guy I'd want right now. However... the difference between the 3rd tier where he current sits and the 2nd tier is pretty big. Hopefully he makes that jump next year and we give him the next he needs to support him.

Fair list.

I'd move Goff over Hurts at this point though.

I like Tua. Hes a pretty good passer when he isn't recouping from another noggin knocker...

 

[FCB02062]

Gave him an A. He was the sole reason not to take a nap during the Pats games. He added excitement to an otherwise extremely boring, bereft of talent and stars team. People giving him Cs are ****ing morons
Compare the games with Brisset at QB to the games with Maye at QB. Offense was night and day. Watchability was night and day. Can't wait till that cheap **** Kraft doesn't resign Maye

 

[FCB02062]

He has potential. Two examples are the TD throw against the Chargers with a rusher in his face and how he can easily pick up chunk yards with his feet as ease when the pass rush over pursues. Defenses will have to think twice in 2025. However, he tends to disappear after that. Needs to protect himself better when in the open field to reduce unnecessary hits to the head.

There are concerns through. He is 2-9 (which people continually ignore), and one of those wins came from Brissett assisting when Maye left losing the game against the Jets. The only team that had a winning record in these games were LA Chargers/Rams and Buffalo.

With that said, I fear he's going to go down a bad path if Bob makes the decision to bring Mayo back. He needs some good coaching and a better system in place. Wolf and Mayo don't seem to know what they are doing especially signing all of Bill's draft picks Mayo **** on earlier this season.

I gave him a C.

What do you expect a rookie QBs record to be in his first 11 games when he's playing behind the worst Oline in the NFL, throwing to the worst receiver group in the NFL, playing for the worst coach in the NFL?

 

[oceansizer]

Let's say B. What impresses me most is Maye is not afraid of risk. He is decisive, does not panic in the pocket. He is intelligent, he has got vision and is destined to be a true leader. His arm and deep throws are definitely advantages.
Of course he makes rookie mistakes, some interceptions were just horrible. Some of them were results of poor catchers but sometimes Maye wants to be a hero and passes the ball to defending team, especially at the end of the quarter. However this kid has a heart playing with the worst core of WRs and OLine in the entire league. I assume his stats would be much better if he had let's say just good offensive weapons. All in all kudos to Maye.
And one more think Mr. Drake. Please learn how to slide!

 

[NFL Mystique]

My concern is they fire AVP. Then, fire Mayo when they struggle next season. Interim takes over. Still has his OC in 2025. Then, new HC brings in new OC for 2026.


So....three HC's, OC's in three seasons.

 

[mike_usagisan]

I'd say C as a QB. If he gets the rookie bump, I'd say B.

 

[TomPatriot]

B. Straight up grade, no curve.

Way ahead of that guy Brady.

Playing with a clown car. Still played pretty well overall, with some growing pains.

Took the hits, both verbal and physical. Never threw anyone under the bus. Class act.

 

[Creative Username]

Based on his play without considering the context of what he has around him, he played at a C-/C level. As others have mentioned, too many turnovers that could otherwise be avoided. However, when you look at the O-line play, the receiver talent -- or lack thereof, and poor game scripts for most of the season, I think Maye's playing at a B/B+ level, while everyone around him can barely muster a D- in most weeks.

Some of the most encouraging signs from Maye don't come from his on-field performance. His intangibles are off the charts and extremely noticeable. From his first start he has been lauded for how he carries himself, his leadership, and his maturity, the importance of which can't be understated at the position he plays in the NFL. How many stories have we heard about players coming to the Patriots and working hard to elevate their play because Brady demonstrated how it was done, day in and day out? Maye has the team behind him, and he's managed to navigate through and separate himself from all the noise surrounding his volatile head coach.

It remains to be seen if the rest of the team will catch up to Maye's level of play. I have my doubts about the direction this organization goes in the next five years, but none of them are about our QB.

 

[TheRainMaker]

What do you expect a rookie QBs record to be in his first 11 games when he's playing behind the worst Oline in the NFL, throwing to the worst receiver group in the NFL, playing for the worst coach in the NFL?

The Pats have had among the worst group of receivers in the NFL since 2019. This is nothing new and I've been warning posters about this since 2019.

The OL has been deteriorating since 2022 which was another area I warned posters about since, but got my usual resistance. Here we are.

I also predicted the defense was going to have a major drop off. Posters didn't want to hear it.

The narrative here was that if the Pats got rid of Mac Jones, they would be a playoff team. The reality is Drake's numbers aren't much better than Mac Jones within his last two years on the team. Mac's coaching outside of McDaniels was pretty bad with a DC moonlighting at OC and the most overrated OC in Pats history with O'Brien who did exactly what I expected - not much.

While he has more talent than Jones, it hasn't translated fully on field yet. And we may never see it. Other top QB prospects didn't get the benefit of the doubt when they went to **** organizations which many ended up busts. Only few are outliers like Baker Mayfield who was thrown under the bus and now Sam Darnold are prime examples.

If the Pats don't do an organizational overhaul and get talent, Drake Maye is going to be the latest victim of draft busts.

 

[BobDigital]

He has potential. Two examples are the TD throw against the Chargers with a rusher in his face and how he can easily pick up chunk yards with his feet as ease when the pass rush over pursues. Defenses will have to think twice in 2025. However, he tends to disappear after that. Needs to protect himself better when in the open field to reduce unnecessary hits to the head.

There are concerns through. He is 2-9 (which people continually ignore), and one of those wins came from Brissett assisting when Maye left losing the game against the Jets. The only team that ha(d a winning record in these games were LA Chargers/Rams and Buffalo.

With that said, I fear he's going to go down a bad path if Bob makes the decision to bring Mayo back. He needs some good coaching and a better system in place. Wolf and Mayo don't seem to know what they are doing especially signing all of Bill's draft picks Mayo **** on earlier this season.

I gave him a C.

I agree the record isn't a great indicator and i do believe wins area QB stat in the long term. There is a reason why when you look at the top all time QBs they are also the winningest QBs and close to in order of their greatness.

But the W/L isn't a concern yet. We've seen even great QBs can barely reach 500 with one side being good (a good offense or defense) and the other being bottom tier. We've also seen great QBs when they've had fairly bad all around cast have losing records those years. It's been shown not even a great QBs can reach .500 when you give him absolutely nothing to work with. And those are examples of truly great QBs. Maye is currently not a great QB. If he fails to improve himself in the coming years he isn't the long term answer for this team.

I think it has been shown more or less that all time QBs in their prime give you something like a + 4-5 or so WAR (wins above replacement). by replacement i mean the leagues premier back up QBs. I would expect the current Allen to drag this team to 6-11 or 7-10. Maye playing the average level he's played this year would be 4-13 ( if he played every snap and the full year and assuming the Bills don't completely lay down week 18). So he is something like a +2 to 2.5 WAR which isn't great but is pretty good.

 

[jdlboot14]

Interesting little stat:

Maye's 10 full games played: 2276yds 15TD 10INT. RUSH - 421yds 2TD
Young's 12 full games played: 2403yds 15TD 9INT. RUSH - 249yds 6TD

That's really close. Maye seemingly on track for a much better 2nd year.

 

[mgteich]

More than just a grade. Assuming no big changes take place next week. Here is where i rank Maye on the current NFL QB list for this year.

1 Allen - I think he absolutely balled out this year. Currently the best in the NFL
2 Mahomes - I can't put him lower than 2 even if an off year. Besides Allen he'd be the guy I'd want next week if i could have anyone, also his cast kind of sucks. Kelce isn't the Kelce of old and his other targets aren't good. If we point out Maye's horrible cast we need to aknowledge Mahomes hasn't had a great one either.
3 Lamar - No surprise. MVP caliber year. But a little inconsistent at times.
4 Burrow - Another MVP caliber year. Has been arguably top 5 for a while, this year he cements it, but lets be honest about how amazing his offensive cast is. People complain about his D and OL. But unless your OL is complete crap weapons can do a lot to help it and just getting the ball out fast.
5 Hurts - Not a lot of passing stats but he runs a lot so that is a bit deceiving and typically they get up early so why keep passing?
6 Goff - After a so-so start to his career he's come on as one of the better QBs in the league. Just not elite.
7 Dak - missed most of the year but Dak is still clearly a better starter than Maye.

I think these 7 are clearly ahead. Everyone below is almost certainly or probably ahead to various degrees.

8 Herbert - Let's be real here. His first 2 years he had a fairly stacked offense and even before this year had a bit of a cheat code in Ekeler (less last year but still). He really hasn't lived up to the promised showed since. Almost certainly better than Maye right now... but i could see an argument.
9 Purdy - A guy who was blessed with the best offensive cast since KC's early years and a great D to put him in position. One year with only a good cast and little D support and he turns into a bit of a pumpkin? Again, probably better. But i could see an argument to say Maye is the play.
10 Love - A good 2 year stretch for sure. But I'm not seeing any true elite play. Just very solid play. Given his cast isn't amazing, but it really is a well designed and balance group. And they are a little better than they look cause GBs likes to run more than pass. Still rank him over Maye.

I think it's safe to say these guys are above Maye but there is a question. I think after this is becomes harder to be sure who is and isn't above Maybe
.
11 Mayfield - I know right? 2 Solid years in a row make me give him the nod, but I just don't fully trust it. And he has had a great year but played a lot of crap teams with some really good weapons at times.
12 Maye. I think considering his cast and how he has played. Calling him currently the 12th ranked guy isn't an overstatement. Of course this can easily go up or down next year and is not based on his potential but his play this year.

Guys i think are below Maye others might put above.

Tua - has had a godly cast.... but maybe Hill loses 1/2 a step and now you can't get it done anymore? It was all based on 1 incredible year anyway. Outside of that he hasn't been good.
Darnold - Amazing year this year. But i don't buy it for a second. Too much baggage and too many times we've seen one year wonders.
Stafford - Guy made his name tossing to all star WRs and did very little without them. Pass.
Wilson - His offensive cast in Seattle was underrated as was his reliance on athleticism to see him through. He's older now and can't 'cook' like he use to. Pass.
Murray - We've heard about his potential for 6 years. This is what he is. Which is a decent starter, but not special. pass.

So that is all I'll list. I could list more but nah. So yeah. I guess right now I'd say all things considered I think Maye is a better than average NFL QB today. Mistake prone a bit. But all things being equal he's the 12th guy I'd want right now. However... the difference between the 3rd tier where he current sits and the 2nd tier is pretty big. Hopefully he makes that jump next year and we give him the cast he needs to support him.

OK on the first 11, although Herbert with good coaching will likely find his way up the list. He is indeed a superstar.

More than just a grade. Assuming no big changes take place next week. Here is where i rank Maye on the current NFL QB list for this year.

1 Allen - I think he absolutely balled out this year. Currently the best in the NFL
2 Mahomes - I can't put him lower than 2 even if an off year. Besides Allen he'd be the guy I'd want next week if i could have anyone, also his cast kind of sucks. Kelce isn't the Kelce of old and his other targets aren't good. If we point out Maye's horrible cast we need to aknowledge Mahomes hasn't had a great one either.
3 Lamar - No surprise. MVP caliber year. But a little inconsistent at times.
4 Burrow - Another MVP caliber year. Has been arguably top 5 for a while, this year he cements it, but lets be honest about how amazing his offensive cast is. People complain about his D and OL. But unless your OL is complete crap weapons can do a lot to help it and just getting the ball out fast.
5 Hurts - Not a lot of passing stats but he runs a lot so that is a bit deceiving and typically they get up early so why keep passing?
6 Goff - After a so-so start to his career he's come on as one of the better QBs in the league. Just not elite.
7 Dak - missed most of the year but Dak is still clearly a better starter than Maye.

I think these 7 are clearly ahead. Everyone below is almost certainly or probably ahead to various degrees.

8 Herbert - Let's be real here. His first 2 years he had a fairly stacked offense and even before this year had a bit of a cheat code in Ekeler (less last year but still). He really hasn't lived up to the promised showed since. Almost certainly better than Maye right now... but i could see an argument.
9 Purdy - A guy who was blessed with the best offensive cast since KC's early years and a great D to put him in position. One year with only a good cast and little D support and he turns into a bit of a pumpkin? Again, probably better. But i could see an argument to say Maye is the play.
10 Love - A good 2 year stretch for sure. But I'm not seeing any true elite play. Just very solid play. Given his cast isn't amazing, but it really is a well designed and balance group. And they are a little better than they look cause GBs likes to run more than pass. Still rank him over Maye.

I think it's safe to say these guys are above Maye but there is a question. I think after this is becomes harder to be sure who is and isn't above Maybe
.
11 Mayfield - I know right? 2 Solid years in a row make me give him the nod, but I just don't fully trust it. And he has had a great year but played a lot of crap teams with some really good weapons at times.
12 Maye. I think considering his cast and how he has played. Calling him currently the 12th ranked guy isn't an overstatement. Of course this can easily go up or down next year and is not based on his potential but his play this year.

Guys i think are below Maye others might put above.

Tua - has had a godly cast.... but maybe Hill loses 1/2 a step and now you can't get it done anymore? It was all based on 1 incredible year anyway. Outside of that he hasn't been good.
Darnold - Amazing year this year. But i don't buy it for a second. Too much baggage and too many times we've seen one year wonders.
Stafford - Guy made his name tossing to all star WRs and did very little without them. Pass.
Wilson - His offensive cast in Seattle was underrated as was his reliance on athleticism to see him through. He's older now and can't 'cook' like he use to. Pass.
Murray - We've heard about his potential for 6 years. This is what he is. Which is a decent starter, but not special. pass.

So that is all I'll list. I could list more but nah. So yeah. I guess right now I'd say all things considered I think Maye is a better than average NFL QB today. Mistake prone a bit. But all things being equal he's the 12th guy I'd want right now. However... the difference between the 3rd tier where he current sits and the 2nd tier is pretty big. Hopefully he makes that jump next year and we give him the cast he needs to support him.

So, Maye was the best of all the rookie QB's? and presumably is expected to be better than all but these 11 next year?
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I find it extremely patriot-centric to believe that Maye was or will be better than all the QB's from the last two years, in 2024 or 2025.
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To be clear, I wanted us to draft Maye (no-brainer) and I believe that he will lead us to Super Bowls. However, to believe that he is close to say Jaden in 2024 or 2025 makes little sense to me.

CONGRATS to AVP, McCarthy and McAdoo!!! Maye wasn't nearly ready to start the season, and certainly not with our OL and WR's. Where Maye is today is a minor miracle given the situation during 2024. That being said, Maye has a long way to go. A top mentor in 2025 will help a lot over the next several months going into Game One of the 2025 season. Coaching is critical. Poor coaching leads, well we know what it leads to.