If patriots lose out, Travis Hunter could be theirs

[TommyD4207]

A 2026 1st and 2nd, plus the 2025 1st Rounder? I agree we should take it, but that is unrealistic, IMO, for Sanders or Ward or Milroe or Hunter. But if we can get it, we should take it.

An extra 2nd and 3rd this year? Just take Hunter.

A first swap this year, a 2026 and 2027 1st rounder would be the absolute minimum for #2.
And even then, if Wolf is still the GM, just take Hunter, take the one lay-up.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

A first swap this year, a 2026 and 2027 1st rounder would be the absolute minimum for #2.
And even then, if Wolf is still the GM, just take Hunter, take the one lay-up.

Really hard to pass on Hunter. Incredibly unique player. Maye, Gonzo, Hunter, and a 2026 and 2027 pick. We are starting something.

 

[mgteich]

A 2026 1st and 2nd, plus the 2025 1st Rounder? I agree we should take it, but that is unrealistic, IMO, for Sanders or Ward or Milroe or Hunter. But if we can get it, we should take it.

An extra 2nd and 3rd this year? Just take Hunter.

Isn't the issue how far we'd have to move? If we had to move from 3rd to 5th or 6th and received a 2nd and 3rd, I'd certainly think about it.

However, I can certainly understand the position that Hunter is a much better talent than anyone else in the draft.

 

[mgteich]

A first swap this year, a 2026 and 2027 1st rounder would be the absolute minimum for #2.
And even then, if Wolf is still the GM, just take Hunter, take the one lay-up.

yes, we can listen to a couple of offers which will likely be much less than 2 more first to move down in the 1st.

Then we could indeed sit and pick Hunter. We did that last year. The question is really how highly do we value Hunter.

If we are 2nd, I would expect a couple of very tempting deals, certainly one from the Raiders.

 

[Dec54]

yes, we can listen to a couple of offers which will likely be much less than 2 more first to move down in the 1st.

Then we could indeed sit and pick Hunter. We did that last year. The question is really how highly do we value Hunter.

If we are 2nd, I would expect a couple of very tempting deals, certainly one from the Raiders.

I have been all in on getting Hunter, but after their bowl game against BYU I'm not so sure. Also after the disaster that was the game V the Chargers I wonder if we would be in a better position to trade a top pick to a needy team and gain multiple picks that way. Better lots of good talent, rather than one great one.

 

[TommyD4207]

I have been all in on getting Hunter, but after their bowl game against BYU I'm not so sure. Also after the disaster that was the game V the Chargers I wonder if we would be in a better position to trade a top pick to a needy team and gain multiple picks that way. Better lots of good talent, rather than one great one.

If you were saying this about Shadeur Sanders, I'd agree with you - but Hunter was the only player on Colorado who showed up.

 

[Uptown]

Hunter’s been/is phenomenal…playing both sides of the ball at an elite level…in Colorado altitude. Kid is a dawg. You draft that…

 

[Rob0729]

Why would we draft a #2 CB? We already have one. What we need is a #1 CB.

I like Christian Gonzalez but the notion that he is so good and so talented that we don't need Travis Hunter is beyond ridiculous.

The Pats have a #1 CB. Gonzalez is one of the better CBs in the league with no one around him. No pass rush. No safeties (Dugger has been awful this year). Imagine how well he would play when he didn’t have to cover receivers for 3-5 seconds or more on a regular basis.

The one place on defense the Pats don’t need to upgrade is #1 CB.

Gonzalez is “so talented” AND the Pats are so devoid of talent everywhere else that they don’t need Hunter if he is going to be a CB. Hunter will do nothing to improve this defense if QBs have as much time to throw as Herbert had yesterday. No CB can cover a receiver consistently as long as Herbert had yesterday.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

Herbert had 4-5 seconds on probably 80% of his drops yesterday.
IDGAS WHO you have back there with that happening, it's going to to look like fail.
Gilmore won the DPOTY because FLORES Crushed the QB Constantly with massive pressure.

 

[XLIX]

The Pats have a #1 CB. Gonzalez is one of the better CBs in the league with no one around him. No pass rush. No safeties (Dugger has been awful this year). Imagine how well he would play when he didn’t have to cover receivers for 3-5 seconds or more on a regular basis.

The one place on defense the Pats don’t need to upgrade is #1 CB.

Gonzalez is “so talented” AND the Pats are so devoid of talent everywhere else that they don’t need Hunter if he is going to be a CB. Hunter will do nothing to improve this defense if QBs have as much time to throw as Herbert had yesterday. No CB can cover a receiver consistently as long as Herbert had yesterday.

You seem woefully unaware that teams have more than 1 cornerback on the field at a time.

I like Gonzalez. But he is not so incredibly talented that we can say “nope! Don’t need Travis Hunter!!”

Just because the Patriots have other needs doesn’t mean you pass over the guy who is clearly and obviously the best player available at #2 (if, hypothetically, that is where the Patriots draft). That would be the height of absolute idiocy.

The trade down price starts at 3 first rounders. If they can’t get that, take Hunter. Let the bargaining begin.

 

[Patriot Missile]

Already stated the downside to drafting Hunter in another post earlier. Basically, he isn’t playing out his rookie contract, he may be so good and so unique he becomes the highest paid player aside from the great QBs. May want to take his talents to the most marketable franchise or warmer weather. Then again, you can say that about a lot of top caliber players.

Aside from that, he did just win the Heisman for best player, as well as the Bednarik and Biletnikoff award for best defensive player/best receiver. His separation skills are clearly better than any wr in this draft. It’s a no brainer draft pick as far as talent and the best playmaker. The tackles in this draft come with arm length issues that may translate to guard. You just don’t gamble like that when you have a prospect like this on the table. You move back into the first round and you get a Simmons or Milum even if it costs you your 2nd and 3rd.

 

[Rob0729]

You seem woefully unaware that teams have more than 1 cornerback on the field at a time.

I like Gonzalez. But he is not so incredibly talented that we can say “nope! Don’t need Travis Hunter!!”

Just because the Patriots have other needs doesn’t mean you pass over the guy who is clearly and obviously the best player available at #2 (if, hypothetically, that is where the Patriots draft). That would be the height of absolute idiocy.

The trade down price starts at 3 first rounders. If they can’t get that, take Hunter. Let the bargaining begin.

I am fully aware that teams have two or even three CBs on the field at one time.

Are you aware that teams don't have two Ladd McConkeys on the field at one time? Or two Tyreek Hills? Or Justin Jeffersons? Or Ja'Marr Chases? Why have two first round draft picks at CB drafted two years apart from each other when you have a team that is devoid of talent? You don't need a top CB in the league to cover the #2 and #3 WRs on other teams except for a rare few.

It isn't that Hunter might not be an upgrade at CB than Gonzalez. It is that Gonzalez has already proven he can be a top 10 (he is already) or even top 5 CB in this league with a good defense around him and this team needs about 8-9 new starters on defense to have a good defense. This team is devoid of talent and you want to address the one position where people universally agree that the Pats actually have talent and top tier talent.

The height of absolute lunacy is having arguably the least talented team in the league with holes everywhere and with the second pick of the draft draft for one of the two positions on the whole team where the Pats appear to not only be set for the immediate, but also for the future. Depending on Barmore's health, you could literally gut this team other than Maye and Gonzalez and start over. There isn't another player that isn't expendable.

This is the top of the draft. There are going to be several other players at positions of needs that have All Pro potential when the Patriots pick. It isn't like Hunter is the only player with All Pro potential and if you pass on him you are selecting guys who are potentially marginal starters. Guys like Mason Graham, Abdul Carter, Tet McMillian, and even Will Campbell are considered All Pro potential by most of the experts at positions of needs for the Patriots. You act like it is Travis Hunter or whoever they select ceiling is a disappointment.

And the trade for three first rounds is only if the Patriots trade down to late in the top ten or out of the top ten. The 49ers trade with the Dolphins was trading up from 12 to 3. If the Raiders are trading up to get Sanders, no way are the Pats getting three first rounders. And if what they offer is really good, but short of the three first rounders they should consider it.

I am sorry, but the difference between what Hunter is and what the Pats could get as say the 6th overall pick is not two first rounders in value. At #6, the Pats could still get a Carter or McMillian and have them go on to be All Pro quality. Hell, they could end up being better players than Hunter. NOTE: Carter and McMillian are examples, not an advocacy that they should be the pick or that I think they will be All Pros.

 

[ViperGTS]

No idea why you're suddenly on this train again.
Obviously nothing good comes from a win, and everything good comes from a loss, especially another blowout.

Is there some sort of groundswell of people saying the Patriots should win net weekend?

Well it's the last game of the season now. The die has been cast and thats that. I bet if you polled fans at least 40 percent want a win next weekend. There were people that wanted a win in the last game last year desperately, never mind missing out on a top.3 QB.

 

[Grogan14]

Well it's the last game of the season now. The die has been cast and thats that. I bet if you polled fans at least 40 percent want a win next weekend. There were people that wanted a win in the last game last year desperately, never mind missing out on a top.3 QB.

Win or lose next week will not fix the problem that exists. The pats will continue to be the league’s doormat next year either wY with Mayo and Wolf in charge.

 

[XLIX]

I am fully aware that teams have two or even three CBs on the field at one time.

Are you aware that teams don't have two Ladd McConkeys on the field at one time? Or two Tyreek Hills? Or Justin Jeffersons? Or Ja'Marr Chases? Why have two first round draft picks at CB drafted two years apart from each other when you have a team that is devoid of talent?

Because the guy available to you at #2 (if NE loses next week) is far and away better than anyone else in the draft. That's why.

The bidding starts at 3 first rounders.

 

[Rob0729]

Because the guy available to you at #2 (if NE loses next week) is far and away better than anyone else in the draft. That's why.

The bidding starts at 3 first rounders.

You act like this is not just a generational player, but the best player to enter the draft in like a decade. Not sure he is.

The Pats can ask for three firsts. But unless they are dropping to like the 9th pick or lower, it is doubtful they will get it. But say if the Raiders are offering their first (#6), their second, and their 2026 first for the Pats' first and fifth round picks (a trade I saw in someone's proposed Patriots mock draft), I am probably jumping all over it.

 

[The Trickster]

You act like this is not just a generational player, but the best player to enter the draft in like a decade. Not sure he is.

The Pats can ask for three firsts. But unless they are dropping to like the 9th pick or lower, it is doubtful they will get it. But say if the Raiders are offering their first (#6), their second, and their 2026 first for the Pats' first and fifth round picks (a trade I saw in someone's proposed Patriots mock draft), I am probably jumping all over it.

Of course you are jumping all over it because you have stated in 1, 385 posts (and counting .... we get it) that you don't want to draft Hunter.

 

[XLIX]

You act like this is not just a generational player, but the best player to enter the draft in like a decade. Not sure he is.

The Pats can ask for three firsts. But unless they are dropping to like the 9th pick or lower, it is doubtful they will get it. But say if the Raiders are offering their first (#6), their second, and their 2026 first for the Pats' first and fifth round picks (a trade I saw in someone's proposed Patriots mock draft), I am probably jumping all over it.

You know if the Raiders make that offer, I take that deal. Dropping 4 spots for #38 this year (not a first rounder but still darn close) and what will almost certainly be a top 10 next year is worth it.

 

[Patriot Missile]

Or how about: If the Pats lose out, a big trade-down haul could be theirs...?

Do you really trust this front office with a trade haul of picks? I don’t, so I’d rather keep it simple and get the best player so they don’t f it up.

 

[XLIX]

So.... just uh hypothetically..... do we get #1 if the Giants win?