This statement alone says Covington should be fired

[Ring 6]

Worst OL "coaches" in the Entire ****ing League, to go with our league-worst WRs coaches, DC & HC.

Don’t let the GM off the hook. He made their job even harder.

 

[Ring 6]

Defensive EPA this year is about the same as when they made it to the SB in 2011 (and better than 2020) and not much lower than the 2017 SB loss team. Yes it sucks, but considering the offensive struggles and injuries, it's not quite fireable as a one and done for me, but I have a different mendoza line. 2019 was also abnormally historically high (Boogeymen) which can massively skew the data.

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Counterpoint only 1 Jets team was worse...

We went from #1 from 19-23 to # 30. That chart isn’t rankings and the difference between 2017 and 2024 is bigger than it appears in that chart. 2017 Patriots were 5th in points allowed. Downplaying an efficiency metric when you are 5 in points allowed and a Sb team is different than when you are abused week in and week out and 3-11.

 

[Ring 6]

He didn't say to be proud of the guys for showing up to work, he's saying to be proud of the guys the way they show up to work. There's a huge difference for me there. This is the kind of twist that pisses BB off and makes him grumble answers.

Shouldn’t he care about how they play rather than that they show up in a good mood when they suck?

 

[Ross12]

He didn't say to be proud of the guys for showing up to work, he's saying to be proud of the guys the way they show up to work. There's a huge difference for me there. This is the kind of twist that pisses BB off and makes him grumble answers.

This game of semantics is pointless. It doesn’t matter which way you interpret it, it still sucks.

Option A: “You reporters should be proud that the players show up to work”

Option B: “You reporters should be proud that the players show up to work with a good demeanor”

Neither is good. Why should the media (or us) care about their demeanor when they don’t carry that demeanor over into the actual game? Like okay great Dugger and Tavai are in high spirits on Wednesday. How does that stop them from continuing to make the same errors every week? None of that has anything to do with the questions he was being asked, which were about how they were planning to fix a defense on a steep decline. “Being happy mid-week” doesn’t do anything.

 

[Jim Beankie]

This game of semantics is pointless. It doesn’t matter which way you interpret it, it still sucks.

Option A: “You reporters should be proud that the players show up to work”

Option B: “You reporters should be proud that the players show up to work with a good demeanor”

Neither is good. Why should the media (or us) care about their demeanor when they don’t carry that demeanor over into the actual game? Like okay great Dugger and Tavai are in high spirits on Wednesday. How does that stop them from continuing to make the same errors every week? None of that has anything to do with the questions he was being asked, which were about how they were planning to fix a defense on a steep decline. “Being happy mid-week” doesn’t do anything.

I can't find any context regarding this statement. Do you have the full line of questioning and answer?



Imho, I don't think it's a matter of semantics, and it doesn't sound like just demeanor. It sounds like they're showing up prepared having done the homework and giving their best, and Covington is trying to be positive for his troops. Sucks that the product has been bad, whether that's scheme or whatever.

 

[Jim Beankie]

Shouldn’t he care about how they play rather than that they show up in a good mood when they suck?

I read it as their preparation - having done the homework and being mentally ready and motivated to work, and I got the impression he was trying to stay positive for his guys. We'll see if it makes a difference this week. I'm usually optimistic, but...

 

[Ring 6]

I read it as their preparation - having done the homework and being mentally ready and motivated to work, and I got the impression he was trying to stay positive for his guys. We'll see if it makes a difference this week. I'm usually optimistic, but...

When asked about a steep decline, can you really be positive about and answer that says don’t read much into that be proud of them for showing up mentally ready and ignore how crappy the play on the field is?

 

[Ring 6]

I can't find any context regarding this statement. Do you have the full line of questioning and answer?



Imho, I don't think it's a matter of semantics, and it doesn't sound like just demeanor. It sounds like they're showing up prepared having done the homework and giving their best, and Covington is trying to be positive for his troops. Sucks that the product has been bad, whether that's scheme or whatever.

So is he blaming himself? He took over a highly rated defense and turned it into a terribly ranked defense and the players are doing their best.

 

[AQPE]

It’s called “whistling past the graveyard.”

 

[Jim Beankie]

We went from #1 from 19-23 to # 30. That chart isn’t rankings and the difference between 2017 and 2024 is bigger than it appears in that chart. 2017 Patriots were 5th in points allowed. Downplaying an efficiency metric when you are 5 in points allowed and a Sb team is different than when you are abused week in and week out and 3-11.

I'm mildly downplaying the metric because 2024 was the same as 2011 (and not much lower than 2017) despite probably having to be on the field more due to a more inept offense, so I don't think his statement alone is a fireable offense. If we include the complete body of work and stats (avg pts per drive probably worst since early 90s, etc), then yeah, we can probably get well into fireable realm, but I'd prob want to give him another year. I was just contesting your saying "this statement alone says [he] should be fired."

 

[Jim Beankie]

So is he blaming himself? He took over a highly rated defense and turned it into a terribly ranked defense and the players are doing their best.

Not sure what you mean about blaming himself - I assume he would, but I guess we never know these days. Do you have a source for his throwing people under the bus (like Mayo)?

Did he really inherit it though? There have been injuries and turnover. In your favor, though, the secondary has been healthy while last year had our CB4 as the best player all year.

 

[Jim Beankie]

nevermind...its the shrooms talking.

I usually post with a couple of scotches under my belt, so hopefully I make sense at least half the time.

 

[Jim Beankie]

When asked about a steep decline, can you really be positive about and answer that says don’t read much into that be proud of them for showing up mentally ready and ignore how crappy the play on the field is?

We as fans? Oh heck no. As a coach trying to keep the spirits up for his guys still having to play more games this season? Absolutely. I mean he doesn't have to be pumped and jacked, but I can see why he does it.

 

[Jim Beankie]

We went from #1 from 19-23 to # 30. That chart isn’t rankings and the difference between 2017 and 2024 is bigger than it appears in that chart. 2017 Patriots were 5th in points allowed. Downplaying an efficiency metric when you are 5 in points allowed and a Sb team is different than when you are abused week in and week out and 3-11.

Funny, I'd only been really looking at the graph from the Defensive axis, and when I finally looked at Offense, my GOD has the offense been bad recently. I mean we didn't need a chart to tell us, but Holy crap.

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Funny that only 3 Jets teams in the last 15 years have been better than the Pats this year (the 2nd worst in 15 years for them).

 

[Ross12]

We as fans? Oh heck no. As a coach trying to keep the spirits up for his guys still having to play more games this season? Absolutely. I mean he doesn't have to be pumped and jacked, but I can see why he does it.

That’s the thing, I’m not as bothered by him saying he’s proud of the guys for showing up/“the way” they show up (even though that is stupid IMO), as I am bothered that he then tells the reporters/fans that they too should be proud.

Why the F should I be proud of this **** product? So they’re showing up ready to work but then they suck? What does how eager they are to do a bad job matter to me, why should I be proud of it?

 

[Ring 6]

I'm mildly downplaying the metric because 2024 was the same as 2011 (and not much lower than 2017) despite probably having to be on the field more due to a more inept offense, so I don't think his statement alone is a fireable offense. If we include the complete body of work and stats (avg pts per drive probably worst since early 90s, etc), then yeah, we can probably get well into fireable realm, but I'd prob want to give him another year. I was just contesting your saying "this statement alone says [he] should be fired."

You are downplaying the metric because one time in the bb era it was as high, 13 years ago, in an offense explosion season (you didn’t list ranking) and looks a little close on a deceptive chart to another year?
You are downplaying a metric that says he took over a defense that was #1 over 4 years and is now 30? It’s a single, important metric but they are also #32 in DVOA.

The reason the statement alone deserves firing is that when confronted with severe decline in the unit he runs he said don’t read too much into that, be proud they are trying.
It’s not the stat per se that led to that comment it’s the mentality that says decline is acceptable.

 

[Ring 6]

Not sure what you mean about blaming himself - I assume he would, but I guess we never know these days. Do you have a source for his throwing people under the bus (like Mayo)?

Did he really inherit it though? There have been injuries and turnover. In your favor, though, the secondary has been healthy while last year had our CB4 as the best player all year.

There was almost no turnover on defense and he got Gonzalez back.

If you take over an effective defense and it then it sucks and you praise the players for doing everything you ask you are by default admitting you are doing a crappy job.

 

[Ring 6]

We as fans? Oh heck no. As a coach trying to keep the spirits up for his guys still having to play more games this season? Absolutely. I mean he doesn't have to be pumped and jacked, but I can see why he does it.

Do you really think it’s effective coaching to tell players they are playing really bad to not worry about the results and be proud they are showing up and trying?
Has this franchise fallen that far that we have no hope to win and want to give out participation trophies?

 

[Ring 6]

We as fans? Oh heck no. As a coach trying to keep the spirits up for his guys still having to play more games this season? Absolutely. I mean he doesn't have to be pumped and jacked, but I can see why he does it.

But you are saying it’s fine as a fan.

 

[Ring 6]

That’s the thing, I’m not as bothered by him saying he’s proud of the guys for showing up/“the way” they show up (even though that is stupid IMO), as I am bothered that he then tells the reporters/fans that they too should be proud.

Why the F should I be proud of this **** product? So they’re showing up ready to work but then they suck? What does how eager they are to do a bad job matter to me, why should I be proud of it?

If he’s saying that publicly you wonder if it’s gotten so bad he thinks he needs to goad them into not quitting on the team and doesn’t hold them accountable at all for their play.