PostGame Thread 2024 OFFICIAL POST GAME Thread - Patriots fall to Miami 34-15

[upstater1]

Well, up to a point. But yesterday the tackles got beaten, the defenders allowed an extra two or three yards after contact with the back, the defensive line couldn't rush the passer -- as well as there being a night-and-day contrast between the play design and play calling of the two offenses.

On the last 6 TDs, we've had players totally out of position and not knowing what they are doing. Im more worried about the defense honestly.

 

[Real fan 02]

I agree...I think we have issues if next year he doesn't cut down on the turnovers especially if they improve on the line.

Absolutely agree..his TOs have alot to do with him trying to find guys that can't separate and make a play over the middle..

 

[Patsfan1645]

As I watched it rain yellow yesterday due to the piss poor talent on the line I discuss an idea with my son on how to correct this issue. If anyone has a connection to the coaching staff please feel free to share.

The answer to solving the line penalties is PPR, Positive Pain Reinforcement. When the offense is practicing running the weekly scheme (the same one they run every week). Have someone call the offsides and false starts. The offender gets tased with a taser. A couple shocks with this and I think the sloppy play will improve. The nice thing is the player is uninjured as he is wearing pads so the ground wont hurt and a few seconds later he can resume practice and potentially another tasing. I think this could be a solid training method and would help address the problem......thoughts?

 

[lancerman]

You are doing a great job carrying Bob, Jonathan and Jerod’s water while I misrepresenting most of your “facts” about Bill. You must’ve loved The Dynasty.

Inherited a franchise quarterback? LOL. Bill couldn’t wait to get rid of Drew and his bloated contract. Maye is already better than Bledsoe was in his final full season with the Pats.

You're overrating the **** out of Drake Maye to prop him up right now.

2000 Bledsoe had 13 INT in 16 full games. Maye's played 6 full games and already has 7 INT's. He has a much bigger INT problem than Drew did.

Aside from that the stat difference isn't anything to ride home about. Especially when you take into account that 20 years and multiple rule changes have passed that have made passing states inflate like crazy. Maye has an 85 passer rating. That's not anything special nowadays and this year is below league average. Bledsoe was at 77 in 2000, which back then actually ranked higher than Maye today across the league (Bledsoe was within the top 20, Maye is 28th currently). There's a whopping 0.3 Y/A difference between them. They both ranked 28th in the league on that stat. Bledsoe is well ahead in Yards per game which is kinda bad considering how pass happy the league is now. Maye's on pace for the same amount of sacks, which frankly isn't promising since Maye is more mobile and sacks were an issue for Bledsoe to begin with.

The real spot Maye is doing demonstrably better is completion percentage. He has a 65.5% and Bledsoe in 2000 had a 58.8%. And again, stat inflation is part of that. You know how many players had a 65% completion percentage in 2000? The league leader. Everyone else had less. Yet in 2024 Maye is ranked 21st. Funnily enough Drew was ranked 19th in 2000.

Point is, Maye is not "already better". In fact, compared to the league Drew was in, he was routinely comparing better to his peers than Maye is right now. And that's the one comparison I made that you even bothered to zone in on. I listed 8 other players who were already on the team that became core players in the first half of the dynasty (Ty Law, Troy Brown, Damian Woody, Willie McGinest, Tedy Bruschi, Lawyer Milloy, Kevin Faulk and Adam Vinatieiri). We currently do not have that. Outside of QB, Gonzo and White are the only two who could potentially be core players going forward (maybe Henry but he is too old).

And again, you also didn't bother to address the point that Bill inherited a .500 team and made it a losing team in year one. Mayo currently has more wins today than Bill had with this team last year at this point in the season.

Yeah if in year 2, there isn't an uptick there is a huge problem and Mayo should be fired at that point. HOWEVER, you are comparing two different situation that aren't comparable.

And that's not holding water for the Kraft's and Mayo, that's just ****ing reality. Kraft was still the owner in 2000 when Bill was hired and it was a controversial hire and he actually did worse than the prior year. So you're rant doesn't really hold much water, ironically.

 

[Patsfan1645]

Well, up to a point. But yesterday the tackles got beaten, the defenders allowed an extra two or three yards after contact with the back, the defensive line couldn't rush the passer -- as well as there being a night-and-day contrast between the play design and play calling of the two offenses.

The line backers were out of position multiple times as Miami carved the middle of the field. Funny, I thought the HC once played LB, I must be mistaking. I mean come on they were coached better than this , right? <sarcasm off>

 

[Mike the Brit]

On the last 6 TDs, we've had players totally out of position and not knowing what they are doing. Im more worried about the defense honestly.

Absolutely. But that's also a tribute to an offense that wasn't dull and predictable.

The contrast with AVP was painful. Poor Rhamondre, being forced to be a battering-ram at a brick wall. The only play that really caught the Dolphins off-balance was a run by Gibson on ... what was it? second-and-15?, when he went for about 14 yards. I had to laugh. The Dolphins couldn't believe that even AVP could be that passive and conservative and so it turned into a good play!

 

[lancerman]

Bledsoe signed a 10 year extension UNDERA Bill and Scott Pioli.

Revisionist history in Bill part to leak to the media he wanted him gone the whole time.

Yup. Hell Bill had to be convinced to even keep Brady on the roster as an extra QB and it's well documented **** Rehbein lobbied his ass off to keep Brady on the team. So the idea that Bill was itching to move on is hilarious. He didn't even move on when everyone claimed Brady was doing better in the 01 off season. Without Brady on the team, there is no plan to move off from Bledsoe.

The reality is what we actually saw, Bledsoe got injured, Brady came in. Brady started winning. Considering the team was doing way better than the prior year, when Bledsoe came back, it did not make sense to swap a QB who had just 5-13 since the prior year for a guy who was 5-2 before Drew was cleared.

 

[PatsFan2]

The pats not being a good team next year will fall squarely on Kraft. I was open to giving Mayo a chance as I think CEO type coaches similar to Bill. Harbaugh & Tomlin are the most effective but it’s clear he’s in over his head. Vrabel should’ve been the coach from the start & his record with mediocre QB play speaks for itself. He’ll toughen up the team & the defense will improve significantly.

Nearly every offensive mind in the NFL would want a chance to coach Maye with potentially Higgins & McMillan. The pats are really going to roll it back with an incompetent coach because the owner won’t admit he’s wrong? Great.

Next year’s FA has multiple starting caliber LTs. Regardless of what you think of Higgins he’s the best FA WR in awhile & won’t cost any draft picks. The pats currently have a top 5 pick and have a chance at a generational two way player or an elite WR prospect. Will the owner spend? Will the GM hit on multiple picks? Will Mayo still be here?

The pats can be a frustrating .500 team next year with poor coaching or improve significantly to a playoff contender with the assets they have available. Unfortunately, I think they’ll be the former.

I hope not MMG = Mayo must go!

 

[upstater1]

As I watched it rain yellow yesterday due to the piss poor talent on the line I discuss an idea with my son on how to correct this issue. If anyone has a connection to the coaching staff please feel free to share.

The answer to solving the line penalties is PPR, Positive Pain Reinforcement. When the offense is practicing running the weekly scheme (the same one they run every week). Have someone call the offsides and false starts. The offender gets tased with a taser. A couple shocks with this and I think the sloppy play will improve. The nice thing is the player is uninjured as he is wearing pads so the ground wont hurt and a few seconds later he can resume practice and potentially another tasing. I think this could be a solid training method and would help address the problem......thoughts?

The tackles are not NFL capable which is why they are jumping.

Now, what I am about to say is going to make people crazy. The refs took a damn microscope to the Patriots OL while the Phins OL was getting away with much worse.

Was Lowe moving too quickly pre-snap? Yes... like almost all OTs seem to do these days. The Phins OT was even worse.

As for the holding calls that were blowing up 20+ yd gains, the ref was out of his mind. And it as always one particular ref making the blown calls.

Lowe didn't hold, the player fell. Onwenu didn't hold, the player fell. Rewatch those plays, there was no holding. If you wanted to see holding, just have a look at what the Dolphins OL was doing.

That offensive pass interference on Boutte says it all. Defender stiff arms Boutte 10 yards downfield (a clear penalty), then Boutte knocks his arms away, and gets called for an OPI. If Boutte doesn't fall there, that could have gone for 7 points as the defender was on his butt.

 

[PatsFan2]

One Positive is our Draft position in the First Round is getting better and better. IF we finish number one or two hopefully: it should tell the Krafts that their current HC is worse than his predecessor.

 

[PatsFan2]

The tackles are not NFL capable which is why they are jumping.

Now, what I am about to say is going to make people crazy. The refs took a damn microscope to the Patriots OL while the Phins OL was getting away with much worse.

Was Lowe moving too quickly pre-snap? Yes... like almost all OTs seem to do these days. The Phins OT was even worse.

As for the holding calls that were blowing up 20+ yd gains, the ref was out of his mind. And it as always one particular ref making the blown calls.

Lowe didn't hold, the player fell. Onwenu didn't hold, the player fell. Rewatch those plays, there was no holding. If you wanted to see holding, just have a look at what the Dolphins OL was doing.

That offensive pass interference on Boutte says it all. Defender stiff arms Boutte 10 yards downfield (a clear penalty), then Boutte knocks his arms away, and gets called for an OPI. If Boutte doesn't fall there, that could have gone for 7 points as the defender was on his butt.

When you're ranked 32nd in almost every category beginning with Coaching: you won't be respected. When we acquire competence which Mayo doesn't have things will change.

 

[Ring 6]

They have a QB to build around this time around, no excuses. Last year’s free agency class was very mediocre.

There were literally dozens of players that would have improved this team. The ones he signed were bad signings. We know of one free agent he pursued and failed.
Don’t defend incompetence with excuses

 

[Ring 6]

You only pay backs like Barkey, Henry, Gibbs

You have to pay someone. His contract wasn’t anywhere near top tier

 

[PatsFan2]

So who did bait and switch Two times Mayo throw under the bus in his presser?? I'm pretty sure he excluded himself.

 

[sb1]

Its Monday has someone been fired yet?

 

[PatsFan2]

I agree...I think we have issues if next year he doesn't cut down on the turnovers especially if they improve on the line.

We can't pass on this Group of OC's on Black Monday 2025: it's a real good one. Mayo can't carry any of their jocks... carrying Krafts jock strap doesn't count two times bait and switch Mayo.

 

[PatsFan2]

Its Monday has someone been fired yet?

Borrowed time Brother borrowed time.

 

[PatsFan2]

On the last 6 TDs, we've had players totally out of position and not knowing what they are doing. Im more worried about the defense honestly.

I'm worried about the Offense we need a Real Slot Receiver Pop Douglas is a scrub: who still don't know when to sit or go during a Route. He's still running bad routes in week 12 a sign of poor Football IQ. Good thing Slot WR's are easy to find.

 

[Ross12]

 

[Toofy]

This is the worst team I have seen in my 17 years of patriots fandom .. and Maye looks like the second coming of Brady with far superior running ability.

I am bidding adios to this season. It's unwatchable and not good for heart. Will probably be signing off from the forum too to reign back in some part of positivity.


Hopefully next season might be better. But if I don't see wholesale changes in coaching or front office suspect it could be the same even if we draft high. We squandered this years draft and not confident if they can do better next season when the draft class is considered meh and FA on offense is meh barring 2 or 3 players. Doubt free agents would want to come here with the level of coaching .

Without Ben Johnson we are doomed. As more people tune out Kraft might be forced to make decisions.