PostGame Thread 2024 OFFICIAL POST GAME Thread - Patriots fall to Miami 34-15

[Love The Drake]

You need a RB, he’s an average starter and versatile. We ate 40 mill so paying him just meant Kraft canned a little less and we gave a capable rb.

You only pay backs like Barkey, Henry, Gibbs

 

[Ring 6]

It shouldn’t be a 3-5 year rebuild, not with a competent coaching staff and with $130m in cap space. Belichick won a SB in year 2 of the rebuild.

Rookie HCs particularly on bad teams almost always show improvement. They often come back form in year 2 after the bump of the new guy with the new excitement and the team geeked up. This team has not responded at all to Mayo.

 

[lancerman]

That’s what we said a year ago.
Wolf was aggressive this year, he got almost everyone he pursued. The problem is who he pursued.

No there were multiple problems last year in free agency. The biggest was that free agency was underwhelming across the league because of the cap raise. It was a big deal for every fanbase and many players who were projected to hit free agency ended up getting extensions.

At some positions of need he went after the right players, he couldn't land them. There's maybe one lineman I would have liked, but for the most part it was a dud free agency season. That's the risk you take when you put all your hopes on that.

 

[rogerthat]

I get what you are saying, but I do not because Mayo had to know he was not ready but he took the job anyway. I know most people would not turn down the promotion but most people also do not have enough self awareness to keep them selves out of no win situations. Mayo set himself up for failure, much the same as Kraft did.

Honestly Mayo should have been real and said I am not ready for this

I don’t think he will ever be ready to be a head coach in t

Belichick lucked out with a QB in Brady, had a good base that was partially built up with Carroll, and had a solid draft after 2000. He also didn't inherit a 4 win team. He inherited an 8-8 team. His first year he dropped to 5-11. Mayo inherited a 4 win team with far less talent that also has huge injuries on defense and the offensive line.

We don't need to revise history. Mayo is not coming on a team that already had a well established franchise QB in Bledsoe (he currently has a rookie who only started a few games), Ty Law, Troy Brown, Damian Woody, Willie McGinest, Tedy Bruschi, Lawyer Milloy, Kevin Faulk and Adam Vinatieiri as a baseline to build off of. We aren't a rookie Tom Brady coming into his own, Matt Light and Richard Seymour away from really taking off. There's a lot.

Right now we have Maye who is a rookie and trying to become a longterm franchise QB and Gonzalez are the two players you could theoretically have as part of a longterm build. The next two best players are Keion White who is a longterm guy and Hunter Henry who is going to be 30 in a couple of weeks and can't be looked at as a guy who will be here for the next 3-4 years. Literally everybody else is expendable and could be replaced.

This is a longer rebuild whether you like it or not. Maybe we can be more competitive in two years instead of 3-5. But it's not a quick fix. There's just far too many holes. And yes Mayo has had problems, but guess what, Andy Reid isn't going to come and take this team to the playoffs. We saw what Bill Belichick did last year with the team. We need to stop pretending there are any quick fixes. We spent way too long avoiding this and trying to patchwork a team because we had Bill and it just got worse and worse. They needed a rebuild for awhile. Now's the time to rip the bandaid off while you have a QB who should be here for 15 years.

i agree with much of your post, but I do think it’s a little better than what you stated. Not much- but a little. I’d argue that Barmore and Schooler for sure, and MAYBE marcus and Jonathan Jones, Stephenson and Douglas can be winning players on the right team.

Your overall point is solid, though.

 

[slash83]

That’s what we said a year ago.
Wolf was aggressive this year, he got almost everyone he pursued. The problem is who he pursued.

They have a QB to build around this time around, no excuses. Last year’s free agency class was very mediocre.

 

[pats99]

I don’t think he will ever be ready to be a head coach in t

i agree with much of your post, but I do think it’s a little better than what you stated. Not much- but a little. I’d argue that Barmore and Schooler for sure, and MAYBE marcus and Jonathan Jones, Stephenson and Douglas can be winning players on the right team.

Your overall point is solid, though.

I get it about the rebuild, and perhaps there is less talent. But that doesn't mean you have a bad team you can coach like crap and not be responsible. Its the easy stuff he can't get right, and I haven't even started the XO's about whats happening on the field.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

No there were multiple problems last year in free agency. The biggest was that free agency was underwhelming across the league because of the cap raise. It was a big deal for every fanbase and many players who were projected to hit free agency ended up getting extensions.

At some positions of need he went after the right players, he couldn't land them. There's maybe one lineman I would have liked, but for the most part it was a dud free agency season. That's the risk you take when you put all your hopes on that.

There was McKinney at FS and multiple CBs. We need both positions. Your post is vague so I have no idea about your specifics. Wolf didn't go after a FS or CB that I know of. Both are huge needs as demonstrated in today's game with the Dolphins. I don't understand your post.

 

[Patsgofor4]

Belichick lucked out with a QB in Brady, had a good base that was partially built up with Carroll, and had a solid draft after 2000. He also didn't inherit a 4 win team. He inherited an 8-8 team. His first year he dropped to 5-11. Mayo inherited a 4 win team with far less talent that also has huge injuries on defense and the offensive line.

We don't need to revise history. Mayo is not coming on a team that already had a well established franchise QB in Bledsoe (he currently has a rookie who only started a few games), Ty Law, Troy Brown, Damian Woody, Willie McGinest, Tedy Bruschi, Lawyer Milloy, Kevin Faulk and Adam Vinatieiri as a baseline to build off of. We aren't a rookie Tom Brady coming into his own, Matt Light and Richard Seymour away from really taking off. There's a lot.

Right now we have Maye who is a rookie and trying to become a longterm franchise QB and Gonzalez are the two players you could theoretically have as part of a longterm build. The next two best players are Keion White who is a longterm guy and Hunter Henry who is going to be 30 in a couple of weeks and can't be looked at as a guy who will be here for the next 3-4 years. Literally everybody else is expendable and could be replaced.

This is a longer rebuild whether you like it or not. Maybe we can be more competitive in two years instead of 3-5. But it's not a quick fix. There's just far too many holes. And yes Mayo has had problems, but guess what, Andy Reid isn't going to come and take this team to the playoffs. We saw what Bill Belichick did last year with the team. We need to stop pretending there are any quick fixes. We spent way too long avoiding this and trying to patchwork a team because we had Bill and it just got worse and worse. They needed a rebuild for awhile. Now's the time to rip the bandaid off while you have a QB who should be here for 15 years.

You are doing a great job carrying Bob, Jonathan and Jerod’s water while I misrepresenting most of your “facts” about Bill. You must’ve loved The Dynasty.

Inherited a franchise quarterback? LOL. Bill couldn’t wait to get rid of Drew and his bloated contract. Maye is already better than Bledsoe was in his final full season with the Pats.

 

[Patsgofor4]

A Pats fan wakes up from a coma and asks for a brief summary of Mayo’s performance thus far.

Me:

 

[ViperGTS]

A Pats fan wakes up from a coma and asks for a brief summary of Mayo’s performance thus far.

Me:

Thats another fireable offense. I saw that during the game, and was shocked. They were going to get a 1st down regardless so it was a completely wasted challenge.

He is so unprepared to be a head coach it's not funny.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

FS is a HUGE need IMO, I personally do not think Dugger is that guy, never thought he was.
I like him in the box, not trying to be something he is not.
Even with his mistakes (his brother Jason saved his ass in the SB), D McCourty moving to FS was an awesome move that solidified that position for many years.
I also think Mapu is a light/quick linebacker.
I'm JAG, so what do I know.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

FS is a HUGE need IMO, I personally do not think Dugger is that guy, never thought he was.
I like him in the box, not trying to be something he is not.
Even with his mistakes (his brother Jason saved his ass in the SB), D McCourty moving to FS was an awesome move that solidified that position for many years.
I also think Mapu is a light/quick linebacker.
I'm JAG, so what do I know.

I agree with you. I don't like Peppers, Duggar, or Mapu at FS. Although somebody might say it is a position less defense, or single high is different than two high, etc.

 

[Triumph]

The Rooney rule was implemented about 20 years ago so race isn't a brand new concern.

Mayo was hired and now after only 1 season he is fired in lieu of a white candidate.

Maybe there will be a Mayo rule.

 

[dliverey44]

Mayo was hired and now after only 1 season he is fired in lieu of a white candidate.

Maybe there will be a Mayo rule.

You're right, that would be a bad look. Hopefully people would look at the results on the field and decide a change made sense, but I doubt people would do that.

 

[SVN]

He's LARPing something he thinks sounds like a pro coach might say - with a subtext of it's not my fault.

Hey is talking like a Coach who knows he is going to be back next year or two.

 

[upstater1]

Better or different players aren't going to help this team. So much of the discussion about talent seems so pointless. We're seeing players who are out of position and who played better in the past do things that are so mind boggling and wrong.

It's not going to change with different players.

 

[PatsFan2]

Rookie HCs particularly on bad teams almost always show improvement. They often come back form in year 2 after the bump of the new guy with the new excitement and the team geeked up. This team has not responded at all to Mayo.

The Krafts have blinders on if they don't see that.

 

[Brewskies]

If you've got nothing good to say, say nothing.

Why have a forum that would be empty.?

 

[Brewskies]

Better or different players aren't going to help this team. So much of the discussion about talent seems so pointless. We're seeing players who are out of position and who played better in the past do things that are so mind boggling and wrong.

It's not going to change with different players.

So if it is not the players what are you suggesting, owner or coaches or both?

 

[slash83]

Props to Gonzo for the game he played. Dude clearly looked like he was walking gingerly getting off the bus and still played a stellar game.