Does Kraft belong in the NFL hall of fame

[WhatJustHappened]

Considering Ron's "History", it's ridiculous that he has a Job, never mind a fkn VOTE for the HOF.

You can't make this **** up.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Now these are all legit gripes, and none of you guys even mentioned keeping the flying elvis and corresponding miserable replacement uniform perpetrated against all real Patriots fans' will less than a year before he bought the team.

I personally seek to take the good with the bad. Further, as a Pats fan more familiar with injustice than the typical sports fan, I seek fairness.

I appreciate everything Robert did to keep this team here, and that was a lot. Not just money. The fact that he has continued to be active in supporting league unity and bent over to take absurd, unprecedented and unmatched bull sh*t from the league should enhance his Hall of Fame credentials, not diminish them.

Al Davis sued the league over a dozen times and was an open, public pain in Rozelle and the league's asses throughout his entire time in the NFL. His gripes were legit, but there is no excuse for him being inducted at age 63, nearly twenty years before his death, and Kraft who has done nothing but kiss the league's ass being locked out.

You nailed it. It's okay for other cities to have dynasties - but not New England. Not the Patriots.

I give Kraft big time credit for 2 things. The first is keeping the team in Mass. The second is hiring Belichick and letting him do his job. If Jerrah is in the Hall then Kraft should be in as well.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Considering Ron's "History", it's ridiculous that he has a Job, never mind a fkn VOTE for the HOF.

You can't make this **** up.

I didn’t know he had a job.

 

[KCSVEN]

I can't believe this is even a question, he almost single handedly ended a strike, he's been at the forefront of international expansion and growth of TV revenues, and we are not even talking about the Super Bowls or the fact he put the good of the league over the Patriot's in deflate-gate. He might be the most deserving owner of all time.
He is probably responsible for billions of dollars of revenue for the NFL by himself.
If you have owners in the HOF and he's not in it's just absolute insanity.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

I give Kraft big time credit for 2 things. The first is keeping the team in Mass. The second is hiring Belichick and letting him do his job. If Jerrah is in the Hall then Kraft should be in as well.

Three, for me. Buying the team for what was, at the time, a record high price tag.

Then, if Bob hadn't made the Hartford deal, Tagliabue and Finneran would never have caved and cracked the door open to allow Bob to get CMGI Field built.

Finally, his persistence eventually got Parcells to cave in and accept a draft pick to let Belichick come here - and bring his assistants along with him.

That's Three. Huge. Decisions. Actions. Bob had to fight to get each one of them accomplished. They are what should make us all appreciative, and what should put him in the PFHOF.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

I can't believe this is even a question, he almost single handedly ended a strike, he's been at the forefront of international expansion and growth of TV revenues, and we are not even talking about the Super Bowls or the fact he put the good of the league over the Patriot's in deflate-gate. He might be the most deserving owner of all time.
He is probably responsible for billions of dollars of revenue for the NFL by himself.
If you have owners in the HOF and he's not in it's just absolute insanity.

There's a book out there which details how the NFL owners are a sick bunch of scumbags. Don't remember the title off hand, but it's informative. Bob doesn't fit in. Orchids of Asia doesn't offset the unselfish, responsible sacrifices he's made 'for the good of the league'. It just strikes me that no one anywhere at any time points out just how ****illy the Patriots have been treated. Not from a Patriots fan's perspective, but just objectively.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Yes, of course he will go into the Pats HoF.
Personally I'd rather have it happen while he is still alive to enjoy the day.
Something that sadly did not happen for Jim Nance or Houston Antwine or Leon Gray or Julius Adams or Mosi Tatupu or Russ Francis or Darryl Stingley or Chuck Fairbanks or Bucko Kilroy. And Ernie Adams isn't getting any younger. Neither is Bill Parcells. Yes. I am on board. Mike Holovak & Raymond Berry should probably be in there too, but this time around local media is right. Parcells chose to come here, got this franchise on the right track, and the fact that Kraft drove him out of town is NOT Bill Parcells' fault. When he went to the Jets, what was he supposed to do? Not try to win? Even after everything, Parcells still tried to reconcile with Kraft and stay. And Robert stormed out of the room, yelling.

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I guess I am still bitter that he put the NFL ahead of the Patriots' best interests, when the entire league was trying to screw the Pats during the two BS "-gates".

In Bob's defense, he has personal values and feelings which compelled him to act as he did. He got really close to Goodell when Tagliabue sent Roger here to be the liaison between the team and local government when the Hartford deal prohibited direct negotiation. I don't agree with how Bob handled it, but I understand.

The FakeGates were unprecedented. And are unmatched in history.

 

[jmt57]

Considering Ron's "History", it's ridiculous that he has a Job, never mind a fkn VOTE for the HOF.

You can't make this **** up.

I didn’t know he had a job.

If I recall correctly, once a writer is a member of the Pro Football Hall of Fame selection committee, it is virtually impossible to get booted off. But one requirement that is in place is that they need to continue to be employed in their profession - so Borges created something called 'The Talk of Fame Network', a website/podcast with virtually zero traffic. That's all he had to do to keep his position on the committee, representing the Patriots.

So despite strike one (assaulting a boxing writer who was wearing a neck brace and using a cane), strike two (the 2007 plagiarism that caused him to be fired by the Globe), and strike three (the 2018 story with the Herald when he wrote a column based on a 'conversation' with Tom Brady's agent - but that person was not Yee, and was just a twitter troll) that led to his 'deciding to pursue other opportunities' (code for fired), the PFHOF never booted Borges - because he is still 'writing' for that obscure website.

You would think that at minimum the writer would need to have press credentials to the team he writes about, yes?

And because he is a member of the PFHOF selection committe, Borges also retains one of the 50 votes for NFL postseason awards by the Associated Press.


You're not the only one that didn't know he had job, though to clarify, he doesn't have a job that results in a paycheck.

If Borges had any honor he would step down and let one of Mike Reiss, Christopher Price, Evan Lazar, Tom Curran, etc. take over that vote - but as he has proven over the course of his entire life, Borges has no honor and he has no shame.

 

[Brewskies]

Now these are all legit gripes, and none of you guys even mentioned keeping the flying elvis and corresponding miserable replacement uniform perpetrated against all real Patriots fans' will less than a year before he bought the team.

I personally seek to take the good with the bad. Further, as a Pats fan more familiar with injustice than the typical sports fan, I seek fairness.

I appreciate everything Robert did to keep this team here, and that was a lot. Not just money. The fact that he has continued to be active in supporting league unity and bent over to take absurd, unprecedented and unmatched bull sh*t from the league should enhance his Hall of Fame credentials, not diminish them.

Al Davis sued the league over a dozen times and was an open, public pain in Rozelle and the league's asses throughout his entire time in the NFL. His gripes were legit, but there is no excuse for him being inducted at age 63, nearly twenty years before his death, and Kraft who has done nothing but kiss the league's ass being locked out.

You nailed it. It's okay for other cities to have dynasties - but not New England. Not the Patriots.

Robert Kraft Embarrassed the league.

 

[Brewskies]

Now these are all legit gripes, and none of you guys even mentioned keeping the flying elvis and corresponding miserable replacement uniform perpetrated against all real Patriots fans' will less than a year before he bought the team.

I personally seek to take the good with the bad. Further, as a Pats fan more familiar with injustice than the typical sports fan, I seek fairness.

I appreciate everything Robert did to keep this team here, and that was a lot. Not just money. The fact that he has continued to be active in supporting league unity and bent over to take absurd, unprecedented and unmatched bull sh*t from the league should enhance his Hall of Fame credentials, not diminish them.

Al Davis sued the league over a dozen times and was an open, public pain in Rozelle and the league's asses throughout his entire time in the NFL. His gripes were legit, but there is no excuse for him being inducted at age 63, nearly twenty years before his death, and Kraft who has done nothing but kiss the league's ass being locked out.

You nailed it. It's okay for other cities to have dynasties - but not New England. Not the Patriots.

Not Robert Kraft

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Robert Kraft Embarrassed the league.

More than it embarrasses itself? No.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

If I recall correctly, once a writer is a member of the Pro Football Hall of Fame selection committee, it is virtually impossible to get booted off. But one requirement that is in place is that they need to continue to be employed in their profession - so Borges created something called 'The Talk of Fame Network', a website/podcast with virtually zero traffic. That's all he had to do to keep his position on the committee, representing the Patriots.

So despite strike one (assaulting a boxing writer who was wearing a neck brace and using a cane), strike two (the 2007 plagiarism that caused him to be fired by the Globe), and strike three (the 2018 story with the Herald when he wrote a column based on a 'conversation' with Tom Brady's agent - but that person was not Yee, and was just a twitter troll) that led to his 'deciding to pursue other opportunities' (code for fired), the PFHOF never booted Borges - because he is still 'writing' for that obscure website.

You would think that at minimum the writer would need to have press credentials to the team he writes about, yes?

And because he is a member of the PFHOF selection committe, Borges also retains one of the 50 votes for NFL postseason awards by the Associated Press.


You're not the only one that didn't know he had job, though to clarify, he doesn't have a job that results in a paycheck.

If Borges had any honor he would step down and let one of Mike Reiss, Christopher Price, Evan Lazar, Tom Curran, etc. take over that vote - but as he has proven over the course of his entire life, Borges has no honor and he has no shame.

Despite all this, he's always been an eloquent writer with a distinctive, and attractive to me, style. I seem to be able to appreciate that, probably in the context of realizing the shortcomings of most of his peers. But again, Ron has lots of company in local media who care about their own agenda and not objectivity or fairness.

 

[Brewskies]

Putin stole Kraft’s ring.

Said, only, Robert Kraft.