Jaguar Mac Jones is about to embarrass the genius BB and his all star coaching staff [mod edit: he didn’t]

[PatsFan2]

Other than a couple of bad Throws that Maye would love to have back... don't we just love those Tight spirals in those tight windows.

 

[Huckleberry1]

OK...I was wrong big time on this thread.
I am not too stubborn to admit it.
Mac sucks and he may not be fixable.

Have any of the posters in this thread ever been wrong?
I did not think so.


I am still right about BB- excellent coach, horrendous GM who destroyed the team post Brady era.

I haven’t been wrong, but everyone else has been. And they don’t mind me saying that for them.

Props for owning it Sam.

 

[sb1]

Other than a couple of bad Throws that Maye would love to have back... don't we just love those Tight spirals in those tight windows.

Like Jacoby he has his fleeting moments. That's why they're both backups and not starters.

 

[PatsFan2]

Like Jacoby he has his fleeting moments. That's why they're both backups and not starters.

Exactly: we know Jacoby would have never thrown that it's well pass his limit Five yards.

 

[TheRainMaker]

OK...I was wrong big time on this thread.
I am not too stubborn to admit it.
Mac sucks and he may not be fixable.

Have any of the posters in this thread ever been wrong?
I did not think so.

We've all been wrong about stuff and there's nothing wrong with that. That's why it's fun to talk about it and see how things turn out. But there's posters that take it too personal when they see an opinion they don't like.

I am still right about BB- excellent coach, horrendous GM who destroyed the team post Brady era.

Without Bill, the Dynasty never exists. He was pretty lights out until 2005 which started the struggles. 2007 was the only year from 2005-2009 where he knocked it out of the park to put the team together. Too many people sleep on how important the 2010 draft was getting Gronk and Hernandez which re-ignited their eventual Super Bowl runs. The 2012 draft getting Jones and HT and trading for Aqib Talib who looked like a bust in Tampa, helped turned the tide back to being a solid defensive team as well. Had those two drafts been duds, Tom leaves.

Bill gave us a vacation for 20 years and routine playoff games every season. 2019 is when the struggles caught up to Bill and every year after Tom left. We can't expect for the Pats to just be instant Super Bowl contenders after Tom and the other players moved on. People can't sustain that success forever.

 

[signbabybrady]

That wasn't an option.

Either Coach Bill's decisions contributed heavily toward Mac Jones turning from a high floor prospect into a flaming dumpster fire, or GM Bill used a first round pick on someone who had no business being on any NFL team as a potential franchise QB. Which is it? It can't be anything else.

Neither of those are very flattering for Bill. That's why it's amusing that Team Bill is using any bad game from Jones as some kind of flex to defend their guy. Lol

I'd say all three things are true. With hindsight it was a bad choice. He also flushed him out and exposed him rather quickly. And you hate Bill he's not your guy.

 

[signbabybrady]

I haven’t been wrong, but everyone else has been. And they don’t mind me saying that for them.

Props for owning it Sam.

Own it? He threw everyone else under the bus and tossed in a couple jabs at Bill for good measure.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Own it? He threw everyone else under the bus and tossed in a couple jabs at Bill for good measure.

I was referring to him acknowledging that he was wrong about Jones.

 

[Huckleberry1]

So either BB ruined Jones, or BB picked a guy in the first round that didn't have the makeup to be a franchise starting QB. It's one or the other.

Either way your hoodied hero doesn't look all that great.

How can you ruin a QB that has a weak arm and weak character? He was already destined for failure.

 

[signbabybrady]

I was referring to him acknowledging that he was wrong about Jones.

2 wrongs don't make a right.


And just crapping in Bill for the sake of it just makes you a jerk. Am I right @sb1 ?

 

[Huckleberry1]

That wasn't an option.

Either Coach Bill's decisions contributed heavily toward Mac Jones turning from a high floor prospect into a flaming dumpster fire, or GM Bill used a first round pick on someone who had no business being on any NFL team as a potential franchise QB. Which is it? It can't be anything else.

Neither of those are very flattering for Bill. That's why it's amusing that Team Bill is using any bad game from Jones as some kind of flex to defend their guy. Lol

“ Any bad game.”? Every game Mac Jones plays is a bad game. I couldn’t wait for Pederson to have to use him. After gloating about getting him for next to nothing it was only a matter of time until the bag of **** was on fire on his front porch.

 

[Huckleberry1]

2 wrongs don't make a right.


And just crapping in Bill for the sake of it just makes you a jerk. Am I right @sb1 ?

You should talk to Sam about it, I’m more than fair to Belichick.

 

[sb1]

“ Any bad game.”? Every game Mac Jones plays is a bad game. I couldn’t wait for Pederson to have to use him. After gloating about getting him for next to nothing it was only a matter of time until the bag of **** was on fire on his front porch.

He was quite good the last time he played the Vikings. Made some plays. That’s what most backups can do… a good game here and there but not a team leader not consistent enough to do it every week.

 

[sb1]

I'd say all three things are true. With hindsight it was a bad choice. He also flushed him out and exposed him rather quickly. And you hate Bill he's not your guy.

It was a fine choice when it was made. Silly for Billy-ites to die on that hill.

Hindsight is obviously 20/20. The right move in hindsight was trading multiple picks to move up for Parsons.

I don’t hate anyone. Bill also is no longer a Patriot so I have no rooting interest either way. Who really cares what other posters think of your hoodied hero.

 

[sb1]

How can you ruin a QB that has a weak arm and weak character? He was already destined for failure.

The whole McEnroe thing should have been a sign that he wasn’t the answer. That’s not an endearing trait. Unfortunately Zappe wasn’t a viable alternative.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Matt Patricia is guilty of stripping every ounce of confidence from Mac’s body with historically horrendous coaching

Mac Jones is guilty of being immature and mentally weak without any fortitude in his makeup.

Belichick is guilty of spearheading the most porous drafting of offense skilled positions during a 7 year stretch (2017-2024) by an NFL GM

2. Yes. Not Mac's fault necessarily, it's just the way he is.
3. Metcalf and Chubb alone sending me to jump off the Tobin Bridge.

1. I don't agree. Matty P looked good with Zappe under center. Actually, everybody did.

While we're on the subject, I want to take a look at some comparative stats:

Zappe's last year (2023):

Bailey Zappe Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Draft, College | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Checkout the latest stats for Bailey Zappe. Get info about his position, age, height, weight, college, draft, and more on Pro-football-reference.com.

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He was working with a lot less, but (nothing personal) Bill O'Brien is just putrid. Contrary to what the entire media world insists, he was a downgrade from Patricia.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

How can you ruin a QB that has a weak arm and weak character? He was already destined for failure.

Mac had the opportunity to make it work, despite the changes in OC. In the end Mac was another example of how hard it is to find a good NFL QB. He started out ok until defenses learned to make him throw to the sidelines or over the top. When MP asked him to make NFL QB throws, things went totally off the rails fueled by Mac's inability to handle pressure. Mac was already done by the time BOB got involved. Hindsight is 20/20, drafting him was the right move at the time.

 

[Vindicate]

This thread, especially the more recent pages, is a great example of what happens when you just dig your heels in on a take and argue it every single day. It's like a ouroboros, but less cool. Like a bloated snake eating its own ass and kinda vomiting in the process, but still committing to the act.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

Mac had the opportunity to make it work, despite the changes in OC. In the end Mac was another example of how hard it is to find a good NFL QB. He started out ok until defenses learned to make him throw to the sidelines or over the top. When MP asked him to make NFL QB throws, things went totally off the rails fueled by Mac's inability to handle pressure. Mac was already done by the time BOB got involved. Hindsight is 20/20, drafting him was the right move at the time.

What was really disappointing to me is that it seemed like he was doing all the right things in the 2021 offseason prior to camp. He worked out and got rid of his baby fat and added muscle. He worked with Tom House on his mechanics to build his arm strength. Going into 2022 I was really optimistic that the end of 2021 was an aberration and he’d prove to be a competent NFL QB and starter for us, even if never elite.

But ultimately it’s tough to overcome the mental makeup. He panicked under pressure his rookie season and he continued that way afterwards. When things went poorly, he got down on himself and took it all in, rather than either letting it bounce off him, or redirecting outwardly. Didn’t exhibit the leadership qualities that make teammates want to fight for you; rather he wanted to be one of the guys. And then didn’t react well to the cluster that was Matty P, Joe Judge, and the new system. All of those things don’t necessarily make him a bad person, of course, but they are bad traits in a QB.

And funny enough, the arm doesn’t really look any stronger. Wonder if he still goes to House or if that was just a one-off and he forgot / doesn’t apply his lessons?

 

[p8ryts]

Can we all just forget about him now?