Solid win, shows progress

[Boomer B]

This is exactly the sort of post one has been seeing over at the JetsNation forum for the last quarter century. The price of delusion is perpetual failure. We have made little progress in this rebuild, truth be told, and we are now burdened with incompetent leadership - in coaching and in the front office - as a result of a sloppy, unprofessional "job search" overseen by a failing owner. Enjoy, I suppose.

it was a post about one game., not the state of franchise.

 

[PancakeBlockPaul]

I don't know if there was much progress outside of Brissett playing slightly better, the Jets beat themselves and our WRs still dropped ball after ball.

A win breaks the streak and lets Mayo breathe but lets not make out we saw something we hadn't seen before.

You got to admit, brisket playing like he did was a surprise. I was so expecting a conservative, meh performance.....maybe that had more to do with avp than jacoby? Or maybe not wanting to be called out again by your coach lit a fire....2 weeks of being called out would have looked terrible...well even more than just the one....

 

[Thelonious]

it was a post about one game., not the state of franchise.

The season is about the franchise, and if we fall for happy delusions about the team or about the coaches and front office based on transient evidence, we distract ourselves from that focus and compromise our ability to make sound, objective judgments. Those of us advocating for this skeptical approach are accused of "not caring about wins." The fact is that we simply care more about meaningful wins over the long term rather than about hollow, nearly phony wins, such as our win over the pathetic Jets last Sunday.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Beat a division rival, a more talented team, in a game both teams needed bad. Overcame 4-5 horrid calls, 4-5 horrid drops, a cheap shot that knocked Maye out of the game early, and media/fans calling for everyone's head in the lead-up. I'm very happy with this win, for the players and us. Don't anyone start with how it was tainted, or the Jets suck and therefore not a quality win. This was as legit a victory as you'll see.

On offense, we finally had enough of our OL back to compete. Lowe makes a huge difference out there. Jacoby was able to look comfortable and showed he's a decent QB. I think our WR group should be sufficiently embarrassed to flush this game and come back better next week. Hopefully Jacoby can get us a W in Tennessee, and we get Maye back in 2 weeks.

Gotta give the D a lot of credit, they played tough with 3rd string safeties & DT's out there. Really controlled NY's running game, which was a huge surprise. Marcus Jones 1 on 1 vs Wilson all day is not a fair matchup but he stayed with him and held him to 5 catches, he didn't kill us. Gonzo shut down Adams. Wise showed up, and I like what I see with Ellis. Covington showed the doubters he can do the job.

ST's too - Marcus's great return that changed the game, and Sly making all his kicks.

Mayo sounded the dog whistle a week ago, and the team responded. His stock rose probably more than anyone else's. Brighter days ahead.

Right on the money. Nicely done.

 

[vicspats]

It's Mayes job now. Nothing Brisett can do to win it back, ditto for Milton. That ship has sailed.

Agree. Hope this concussion is not contagious

 

[Boomer B]

The season is about the franchise, and if we fall for happy delusions about the team or about the coaches and front office based on transient evidence, we distract ourselves from that focus and compromise our ability to make sound, objective judgments. Those of us advocating for this skeptical approach are accused of "not caring about wins." The fact is that we simply care more about meaningful wins over the long term rather than about hollow, nearly phony wins, such as our win over the pathetic Jets last Sunday.

What the hell are your going on about? Who said we simply care more about phony wins over long term meaningful wins?

The only point that was made in the original post is that the team made progress in a few areas compared to the last handful of games. That’s it, nothing else. You’re yelling at the cloud and making up some sort of other scenario in your head.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

The season is about the franchise, and if we fall for happy delusions about the team or about the coaches and front office based on transient evidence, we distract ourselves from that focus and compromise our ability to make sound, objective judgments. Those of us advocating for this skeptical approach are accused of "not caring about wins." The fact is that we simply care more about meaningful wins over the long term rather than about hollow, nearly phony wins, such as our win over the pathetic Jets last Sunday.

You are right that a single win against a team that beat itself is not meaningful. The noteworthy aspect fo that game is that the team showed actual fight. Despite his awkwardness with the press, Mayo seemed to deliver the right message to the locker room. This game will become meaningful if it is the start a player led culture to compete to win every down, every game.

 

[Thelonious]

You are right that a single win against a team that beat itself is not meaningful. The noteworthy aspect fo that game is that the team showed actual fight. Despite his awkwardness with the press, Mayo seemed to deliver the right message to the locker room. This game will become meaningful if it is the start a player led culture to compete to win every down, every game.

I agree that this is a genuine advantage of winning games. "Learning how to win" is a legitimate skill, and persistent losing can so discourage a team that their ability to learn and develop is compromised. I just don't think that these advantages outweigh, beyond a quite minimal number of wins, the disadvantage of lowering our draft pick (It is not just the first-round pick which is affected.) for a team with so dismally poor a roster. I also think that an objective evaluation of the new coaches and front office staff is at least as important, and that getting all giddy about beating the pathetic Jets or any other failed team can distract us from an objective evaluation of those groups.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Is that what we really need? More controversy at the qb position? If Brisett wins, the ball
Automatically goes back to Maye? If Maye out a couple of games and a Brisett wins them, what then?

It doesnt matter, as it’s Mayes job for the long term either way, and wins and losses this season won’t make a difference, as they aren’t going to the playoffs. If it was up to me Maye would stay on the bench until the OL is fixed, but it’s clear that isn’t going to happen, so at a minimum he needs to stay sidelined until he’s fully health.

 

[1960Pats]

I agree that this is a genuine advantage of winning games. "Learning how to win" is a legitimate skill, and persistent losing can so discourage a team that their ability to learn and develop is compromised. I just don't think that these advantages outweigh, beyond a quite minimal number of wins, the disadvantage of lowering our draft pick (It is not just the first-round pick which is affected.) for a team with so dismally poor a roster. I also think that an objective evaluation of the new coaches and front office staff is at least as important, and that getting all giddy about beating the pathetic Jets or any other failed team can distract us from an objective evaluation of those groups.

This was a big win against a hated division rival after a two season long streak of losses at home. I'm sure all those fans who took the time and effort to travel down to Foxboro for the games thought it was worth it. I sure did and I watched from my recliner at home.

 

[Thelonious]

This was a big win against a hated division rival after a two season long streak of losses at home. I'm sure all those fans who took the time and effort to travel down to Foxboro for the games thought it was worth it. I sure did and I watched from my recliner at home.

I have no objection to your enjoying the win. I do object to attributing unwarranted significance to it.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

I agree that this is a genuine advantage of winning games. "Learning how to win" is a legitimate skill, and persistent losing can so discourage a team that their ability to learn and develop is compromised. I just don't think that these advantages outweigh, beyond a quite minimal number of wins, the disadvantage of lowering our draft pick (It is not just the first-round pick which is affected.) for a team with so dismally poor a roster. I also think that an objective evaluation of the new coaches and front office staff is at least as important, and that getting all giddy about beating the pathetic Jets or any other failed team can distract us from an objective evaluation of those groups.

It is indeed a trade off. Take the giddiness out of the discussion, this team needs to form as a cohesive unit in order for new talent to make an impact. The draft alone is not going to fill all of the gaps, even if the team trades down from the number 1 pick. To me there is more value building momentum with a win here or there than maximizing draft position. Bring in some mid roster FA's to fill out the roster and draft for the positions of need.

 

[vicspats]

It doesnt matter, as it’s Mayes job for the long term either way, and wins and losses this season won’t make a difference, as they aren’t going to the playoffs. If it was up to me Maye would stay on the bench until the OL is fixed, but it’s clear that isn’t going to happen, so at a minimum he needs to stay sidelined until he’s fully health.

Long term yes I agree. It’s so crazy to see how so many parts of this team are dysfunctional. Can the oline be fixed in one draft/free agent season? I say no. Maye is obviously some type of answer for now. Just don’t get him killed has to be the top priority.

 

[Thelonious]

It is indeed a trade off. Take the giddiness out of the discussion, this team needs to form as a cohesive unit in order for new talent to make an impact. The draft alone is not going to fill all of the gaps, even if the team trades down from the number 1 pick. To me there is more value building momentum with a win here or there than maximizing draft position. Bring in some mid roster FA's to fill out the roster and draft for the positions of need.

Most of the time, the wise course of action is to be found between two contradictory rationales. I hated this when I was younger because I wanted everything to be clear as a bell: simple. I thought compromise or moderation was for losers. It turns out everything is simple only to the simple-minded. Aristotle took note of all this millennia ago when he noted that all virtues lie midway between two vices. The universe is very oddly constructed indeed. If there is a God, he has quite a sense of humor.

 

[Sorrynotsorry]

I couldn't watch the game...

It was a damned if you do or don't.


Glad they won...

Beating the most dysfunctional team in football is better than a loss...

Now let's see if they can beat the second most dysfunctional team in football with the titans...

 

[Thelonious]

I couldn't watch the game...

It was a damned if you do or don't.


Glad they won...

Beating the most dysfunctional team in football is better than a loss...

Now let's see if they can beat the second most dysfunctional team in football with the titans...

LOL. Watching Pats games these days is not an unalloyed delight, not a thing we can accomplish in our weakened moments

 

[jdlboot14]

And was it Mayo or Covington who decided man coverage would effectively stymie Rodgers?....Regardless....great strategy, tremendous execution.

Yes, they have enough knowledge to learn from the first game, and the trajectory of the Jets over the last month...
The problem is - WHY couldn't they adjust during the first game? That's what has been woefully missing this year.
Both on O & D - not great at in-game adjustments to unexpected opponent strategy.
Hopefully in improves the more the team gets comfortable with system and fundamentals.

 

[Thelonious]

The season is about the franchise, and if we fall for happy delusions about the team or about the coaches and front office based on transient evidence, we distract ourselves from that focus and compromise our ability to make sound, objective judgments. Those of us advocating for this skeptical approach are accused of "not caring about wins." The fact is that we simply care more about meaningful wins over the long term rather than about hollow, nearly phony wins, such as our win over the pathetic Jets last Sunday.

Two "Dislikes" and an "Ugh" for this. No love whatsoever. I'd never make a politician, apparently. I ran for Selectman once: lost by three votes. Highlight of my political career.

 

[PancakeBlockPaul]

All wins are meaningful one way or another.

 

[p8ryts]

Two "Dislikes" and an "Ugh" for this. No love whatsoever. I'd never make a politician, apparently. I ran for Selectman once: lost by three votes. Highlight of my political career.

It appears you support the focus being on next year's team before any concerns for this year's team. I understand how that could be an attractive option, but it doesn't seem fair to the current team and the fans. If my team gives maximum effort but loses to a superior team, I can accept that. I could never accept an approach that doesn't maximize and attempt to improve the capabilities of the current team. This organization did that by starting Jacoby Brissett. I don't think Jerod Mayo could continue to support that, and said, we're playing Maye. The team has been exciting and promising with Maye. There was little hope with Brissett. Last week he was better because he stepped back and threw quickly on the first read. I don't believe he can sustain that.