Why don't any of you have patience?

[captain stone]

I think it's funny that we don't have patience when in reality it's already been a half decade.

Bingo.

This is Year 5, Not Year 1.

Meet the New boss; same as the Old boss.

Fire them ALL this time, Bobby.

 

[archstanton543]

Bingo.

This is Year 5, Not Year 1.

Meet the New boss; same as the Old boss.

Fire them ALL this time, Bobby.

This is Year 1.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

This is not year 5. This is the first year that they actually operated like a rebuilding team. The prior 4 years were not rebuilding years. They were mostly failed attempts at bandaging the roster to compete for the playoffs. They were not building for the future those years, they were making failed attempts to patch things up, with the bottom completely falling out from under them last year.

I'm ok with a multi year rebuild, but I expect to see incremental signs of progress. They sucked last year to get a pick high enough to draft a quarterback, but that's about all they've done. None of their other picks have shown any semblance of being a core piece. No young players appear to be getting better week to week. Despite league leading cap space, the Antonio Gibson is the only piece they've added that seems to have any future here, and he's a mid-tier 3rd down back which is pretty small piece overall.

I have patience for a drawn out process but this doesn't appear to be any sort of "progression". It's just an entirely wasted year so far.

 

[Boomer B]

Harbaugh is not coming here. They are safely entrenched in ravens and chargers for foreseeable future.

Wishlist

Brian Flores - HC
Jeff Fisch/ Phil longo ( Drake maye ex OC - badgers current OC) - OC
Saleh - DC
Retain - Springer and Peters

Or hit home run with Ben Johnson.

This might help us get on rebuild quicker and Saleh is also a players coach with some tough as nails attitude on defense side and great game planning . Flores might be able to provide his inputs on top of it to make it lethal.

Hire more offensive assistants and real solid QB and TE coach to build the pipeline.

I would want nothing to do with Flo being the head coach for Maye. How is any franchise gonna sell him as the head coach to develop a QB?

 

[Toofy]

I would want nothing to do with Flo being the head coach for Maye. How is any franchise gonna sell him as the head coach to develop a QB?

Which hotshot OC is gonna come over here when there are better options. We need to take the lumps. I feel the Washington HC or badgers OC are probably a great fit to be QB whisperer.

Flores hard ass mentality might be needed to make average team perform above their mettle. Right now coaches look even worse than the players .

 

[Boomer B]

Which hotshot OC is gonna come over here when there are better options. We need to take the lumps. I feel the Washington HC or badgers OC are probably a great fit to be QB whisperer.

Flores hard ass mentality might be needed to make average team perform above their mettle. Right now coaches look even worse than the players .

The Patriots biggest concern isn’t getting “a hard ass” coach, it’s building a quality roster and developing Maye.

There’s many different coaching styles that can work, but no one is winning with this roster. To be clear I’m not sold on Mayo and I’m really not sold on Wolf, but bringing in Flo with what just happened with Tua makes 0 sense.

 

[festy1986]

This is Year 1.

It's year one of Mayo. It's not year one of the rebuild.

There's a major difference

 

[TheRainMaker]

This question should be asked to Bobby.

He fired Bill because he wants to get back to the playoffs, yet hires an inexperienced coach known for nothing and a GM who spends a ton of money on the same guys who were on a 4-13 team. If you are paying them top of the market contracts, then they must be difference makers and the team running through them. These guys are complementary players at best.

And people wonder why they are 1-6 and lucky they aren't 0-7.

 

[borg]

This is not year 5. This is the first year that they actually operated like a rebuilding team.

Considering the team did nothing to improve their roster but draft their allotted picks, I guess most teams are in Year 1 of a rebuild.

So the Rebuild Schedule is.......

Year 1: Do nothing

 

[Water Boy]

 

[Sciz]

I would want nothing to do with Flo being the head coach for Maye. How is any franchise gonna sell him as the head coach to develop a QB?

You mean you’re not impressed by the 4 OCs, 3 QB coaches, and 4 OL coaches in 3 years in Miami?

 

[Sect140]

I don’t care if it’s year 1, 3 or 5 of the rebuild, I go to every home game, spend a lot money every year going and all I know is the last few years it just keeps getting worse. I didn’t think Mayo was ready when he was hired but of course I wanted him to succeed and I would’ve been happy if in year one they were competitive in most of the games and the coaching staff looked competent. So far this is awful, I know they have injuries but I never thought it would look this bad. I agree with everyone that says it looks like Mayo is in over his head. Normally when a young coach is hired one or two of the coordinators are experienced and one is a former head coach.

The comparisons to Caldwell are spot on.

 

[Ring 6]

This question should be asked to Bobby.

He fired Bill because he wants to get back to the playoffs, yet hires an inexperienced coach known for nothing and a GM who spends a ton of money on the same guys who were on a 4-13 team. If you are paying them top of the market contracts, then they must be difference makers and the team running through them. These guys are complementary players at best.

And people wonder why they are 1-6 and lucky they aren't 0-7.

Kraft got tired of belichick. I get it. He wanted the credit for the dynasty and how can you do that when bb is still here?
I would imagine a control freak who isn’t winning is not a fun employee.

The problem is Kraft wanted to prove he deserved the credit so he hired a literal nobody as his coach.
Remember when people said patriot coaches said they could win a Sb with an average qb?
Kraft literally believed he could win with a mediocre coach so he hired the Marcus Marita of head coaches.

 

[mgteich]

We had this discussion from the day Belichick was fired until Game 1. We discussed how long the post-Belichick patriots would take to be competitive.

Many (most?) thought that we had a chance to be in the payoffs in 2025 if all went well, and that we expected/hoped to contenders for the division in 2026 (or perhaps even 2025). Of course, all is dependent on the development of Maye.

We discussed Wolf's strategy of extending those we wanted to keep, signing replacements for those who went, and the decision NOT to sign any high-profile players in the very unfavorable free agent market. The only exception was a top WR if we could get a reasonable one to come to a 4-win team without a QB and with all new coaches. Wolf wanted to move a considerable amount of cap money from 2024 to 2025 when the market will be better for a couple of reasons. There was no magic about the draft: focus on QB, WR and OL (we double dipped in all three).

Many disagreed with Wolf's approach. Many disagreed with his choices of players, especially those involving OL's.
The over/under was 4.5 games. Many of us expected over, many others expected over.

But the strategy hasn't changed. Why are we shocked by our record, especially after the injuries? We expected to win 4 or 5 games and now with the injuries, the total number of wins will likely be fewer.

BOTTOM LINE
We have every reason to be upset with the team, but not with the record, and not even with development of the Offense. Maye looked good passing. His receivers are primarily Henry, Douglas, Bourne and Boutte with some help from others. Maye looked good behind a really terrible OL, playing way, way over their heads, especially in pass protection. Jacobs-Jordan-Brown-Sow/Robinson-Onwenu. Maye looked good behind THAT line, and we are complaining. ???
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MY COMPLAINTS

What I am indeed upset about is how Mayo is running the ship. The coordinators are learning on the job, and we should have a McAdoo for the Defense (that should have been Mayo). So, I expect lots of issues from time to time as they learn (or until the end of the season). Obviously, Mayo should be stepping in to help the Defense and have McAdoo help the Offense as needed. This all COULD work.

Unfortunately, Mayo has failed in many ways. At very least he should be supporting the players and discipling them in private. He shouldn't call his players soft to the press (That is for the locker room). He should have enough respect from the players for the team to greatly lower the number of penalties. He should play only those players who actually want to play and who want to play for the good of the team. Godchaux shouldn't have to go to the press because the situation is so bad. McCourty, Belichick and others shouldn't need to be openly questioning what the f**k Mayo is doing. And Wolf (or whoever) shouldn't have to leak how bad the situation is to the press.
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END OF OCTOBER 22nd RANT

 

[KCSVEN]

Lots of people unhappy they did not pay to get Ridley or make the trade to Aiyuk. In Hindsight What massive overpays they would have been, even without the injury to Aiyuk.
The available Tackle options they had a chance at and did not take have not been good.
You'd like to see 3-4 starters from each draft with a blue-chip player in round 1. That's the easiest way to build a team. Jury definitely out on 3-4 starters this year though Maye is a blue chip #1 at least. Wallace and Robinson look like potential starters but only Maye is a likely hit at this point.

 

[Ring 6]

We had this discussion from the day Belichick was fired until Game 1. We discussed how long the post-Belichick patriots would take to be competitive.

Many (most?) thought that we had a chance to be in the payoffs in 2025 if all went well, and that we expected/hoped to contenders for the division in 2026 (or perhaps even 2025). Of course, all is dependent on the development of Maye.

We discussed Wolf's strategy of extending those we wanted to keep, signing replacements for those who went, and the decision NOT to sign any high-profile players in the very unfavorable free agent market. The only exception was a top WR if we could get a reasonable one to come to a 4-win team without a QB and with all new coaches. Wolf wanted to move a considerable amount of cap money from 2024 to 2025 when the market will be better for a couple of reasons. There was no magic about the draft: focus on QB, WR and OL (we double dipped in all three).

Many disagreed with Wolf's approach. Many disagreed with his choices of players, especially those involving OL's.
The over/under was 4.5 games. Many of us expected over, many others expected over.

But the strategy hasn't changed. Why are we shocked by our record, especially after the injuries? We expected to win 4 or 5 games and now with the injuries, the total number of wins will likely be fewer.

BOTTOM LINE
We have every reason to be upset with the team, but not with the record, and not even with development of the Offense. Maye looked good passing. His receivers are primarily Henry, Douglas, Bourne and Boutte with some help from others. Maye looked good behind a really terrible OL, playing way, way over their heads, especially in pass protection. Jacobs-Jordan-Brown-Sow/Robinson-Onwenu. Maye looked good behind THAT line, and we are complaining. ???
=========
MY COMPLAINTS

What I am indeed upset about is how Mayo is running the ship. The coordinators are learning on the job, and we should have a McAdoo for the Defense (that should have been Mayo). So, I expect lots of issues from time to time as they learn (or until the end of the season). Obviously, Mayo should be stepping in to help the Defense and have McAdoo help the Offense as needed. This all COULD work.

Unfortunately, Mayo has failed in many ways. At very least he should be supporting the players and discipling them in private. He shouldn't call his players soft to the press (That is for the locker room). He should have enough respect from the players for the team to greatly lower the number of penalties. He should play only those players who actually want to play and who want to play for the good of the team. Godchaux shouldn't have to go to the press because the situation is so bad. McCourty, Belichick and others shouldn't need to be openly questioning what the f**k Mayo is doing. And Wolf (or whoever) shouldn't have to leak how bad the situation is to the press.
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END OF OCTOBER 22nd RANT

What’s a McAdoo for the defense? A guy who sucks and doesn’t have a title?

McAdoo is basically stealing a paycheck at this point.

 

[mike_usagisan]

Lots of people unhappy they did not pay to get Ridley or make the trade to Aiyuk. In Hindsight What massive overpays they would have been, even without the injury to Aiyuk.
The available Tackle options they had a chance at and did not take have not been good.
You'd like to see 3-4 starters from each draft with a blue-chip player in round 1. That's the easiest way to build a team. Jury definitely out on 3-4 starters this year though Maye is a blue chip #1 at least. Wallace and Robinson look like potential starters but only Maye is a likely hit at this point.

Yeah. I think Wolf is sticking to his personnel plan even as the coaching side just goes miserably.

 

[Ray Ray 717]

Today is October 23rd, 2024.

We have not won a playoff game since February 3rd, 2019.

We’re going on almost 6 years of inept play. How long do you want to give this rebuild?

 

[State]

Flores hard ass mentality might be needed to make average team perform above their mettle. Right now coaches look even worse than the players .

Yes. And the Kraft conglomerate now probably wishes they had hired Brian Flores, who no one really likes but he runs a tight ship with proven coordinator and head coaching experience, as the Patriot HC.

It is just easier to like Mayo. He’s a great guy. Very engaging.

But his team looks like s—t. And he and his coordinators are, if anything, even worse.

Things about to get very interesting in Foxboro.

 

[UGAPatsfan]

I want to know why so many here can't give the team time to rebuild. I see so many FIRE MAYO CUT POLK in messages i don't get it.

Mayo has had 7 games that is just his. it takes time to get a system and culture settled in.
People that are complaing about the D the team lost it's best runstopper to blood clots. a leading line backer to injury and good safety to stupidity.
They have not had the same OL in any game this year. Lost the anchor and veteran presence in Andrews
Even the most optimistic fan, which i am, thought this team would cap out at like 9 wins at most and that is with everything going nearly perfect.

So maybe we can just stop with the doom and try some positivity and yes the team is bad but we have a good young QB a good Young CB a WR core that has a lot of potential. So lets try that.

I’ll take a stab:

From a fan’s perspective it’s sunk patience that’s the issue.

Meaning, it’s been 5 years of rebuild that went nowhere already which required patience and the drawdown of goodwill earned over the previous 20 years.

That patience is not infinite nor is the goodwill.

While Mayo isn’t responsible for all that obviously, and didn’t hire himself, that’s irrelevant to the big picture reality that the team has gone backward now for 5 years.

No one wants to hear “rebuild” while also seeing weekly regression in on-field product combined with seemingly bo answers by the org on how to correct the course.

Most of us can and will cheer for incremental progress toward getting back to competitive…but we have to see signs of progress.

We have not outside of Drake…

If anything, it gets worse every week.

So…in answer to your question:

Many have been patient…it’s just running thin with the team overall and Bob Kraft’s decisions specifically.