Why don't any of you have patience?

[n1997y]

The whole team deserves to be thrown under the bus (other than Slye and Barringer). If the shoe fits and all that.

FO & coaching staff should be first to be thrown under the bus. They made the shoe and fit it.

 

[n1997y]

I felt that they were competitive yesterday. If Polk doesn't fall down and miss the two-pointer, it's a one-score game late in the fourth quarter.

After the first two scoring drives Patriots possessions were:
3 & out, punt
3 & out, punt
3 & out, punt
5 & out, punt
9 play TD drive
5 & out, turnover on downs
4 plays, end of game.

Jags possessions were:
5 & out, punt
8 play TD drive
6 play TD drive
96 yard punt return TD (!)
1 play, end of half
12 play drive, FG
17 play drive, turnover on downs at the 6 yard line
8 plays, punt
3 plays, TD

I don’t see a lot to call competitive. Three out of nine offensive possessions, maybe. Three out of nine defensive stands, to use the word “stand” loosely. Overall that’s 33% success rate, and remember 65% is an F on most grading scales.

 

[UrbanCowboy]

After the first two scoring drives Patriots possessions were:
3 & out, punt
3 & out, punt
3 & out, punt
5 & out, punt
9 play TD drive
5 & out, turnover on downs
4 plays, end of game.

Jags possessions were:
5 & out, punt
8 play TD drive
6 play TD drive
96 yard punt return TD (!)
1 play, end of half
12 play drive, FG
17 play drive, turnover on downs at the 6 yard line
8 plays, punt
3 plays, TD

I don’t see a lot to call competitive. Three out of nine offensive possessions, maybe. Three out of nine defensive stands, to use the word “stand” loosely. Overall that’s 33% success rate, and remember 65% is an F on most grading scales.

ha, ya, I'm not saying they were (or are) good. But I still think they were competitive in that game, albeit with another bad team.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

It took him 7 games to lose the locker room, so there's that I guess.

To be fair to Mayo, there were signs he was losing the locker room a few games ago

 

[Froob]

I was completely willing to "give him time" until reports surfaced of his unpreparedness and struggling to define his own role. The man literally did not know what to do. His wandering around position groups during training camp extended to "poking his head into meetings" in-season with no hands-on work game planning. What we're seeing are the results of a rudderless ship. Things might be worse with this coaching staff than anyone imagined.

I think Mayo went into this expecting to learn head coaching on the fly and finds himself in way, way over his head.

Coaching staff probably could have really benefitted from a former head coach that isn't going to get another gig, being a coordinator or in a key role. I think we just have MacAdoo. Probably could benefit from McCarthy or Rivera being on staff.

 

[1960Pats]

I get that sometimes you have to tear things down, start building from the foundation, but what we are seeing thru seven weeks isn't the foundation for anything, there is no culture that I can see, nothing positive to build from. That's why its difficult to "be positive". to "be patient". We know that the Pats could be better.

Its difficult enough for a first time head coach in this league to navigate their first season, which is something i think we all understand. But to be an inexperienced first time coach leading a huge rebuild? Oof... that's asking for problems. Half the issue is the question that has to be asked and really needs an answer - WTF was Kraft thinking?

Being positive - We knew (hoped?) Drake Maye was going to be the bright spot simply because he was the third overall pick. Has stuff to work out sure, but he is going to be good.

As for the rest of it, give me something to be positive about, and I will be responsive.

Hear hear.

Kraft was spoiled with B&B for a quarter century and didn't have to think much. Now it seems like he lost that ability.

We're lucky that we came off the run we did or we'd feel a whole lot worse.

 

[sb1]

Good song...

 

[1960Pats]

Another way to look at it is: starting from the day Belichick left was has happened that you feel good about?

Maye is the only thing I can readily think of.

Who did we acquire in free agency that you would say is helping? Maybe Gibson, but he’s made 2 or 3 plays and been blah otherwise. I can’t name a single other free agent that I would say was a good signing or us making positive contributions.

The draft? After Maye, so far there is no one doing well or loving up to their slot. Now you dont judge draft picks in 7 weeks, but at this point in time, so far it’s not looking good.

Gameplans? I don’t think anyone thinks those are well done.

In game decisions? Best case is neutral.

Personnel decisions? Such as are we playing the best guys and groupings or are they even good at evaluating who is? Zero confidence there.

Culture? This is a big negative to me. We seem to have a staff that manages by cliche and have no conviction behind it.

Coaching hires? Who feels good about them?

Does anyone have a list of positives?

Damn this is right on. I want to respond to some of it.

There's nothing to feel good about re the Pats. Maye is close but he's not a sure thing.

They probably wouldn't have spent on FAs but the increase in the cap took out a lot of choices and negated their advantage.

I've been surprised by how bad the kids look, but, as you say, it's early.

There are far too many plays that look like the other team knows exactly what's coming.

The in-game stuff was Bill's specialty and I was hoping that some of that might have rubbed off on Mayo. That doesn't appear to be the case.

I've come to believe that talent evaluation is the key and that's on the GM.

The poor culture has been addressed by many here and I think that's a result of the lack of experience at the coaching positions more than anything else.

 

[Toofy]

I think Mayo has never been a coach elsewhere. Has 0 contacts and has been privileged the last 3 seasons as coach in waiting which built complacence .

Now when we see him aimlessly wandering during game, making no adjustments, showing no positive trait, rumors of team members going rogue and not caring a $$$$ about coaching staff or the HC, poor media relationship and responses , no input onto game plan on offense or defense , it's hard to justify wasting one more year with Mayo.

At this point, we might as well audition the rest of coaching staff and see who is worth keeping . I would want them to shift play calling duties to McAdoo.

Is there a backup to Covington ? Why don't we see occasional blitzes or in game adjustments from him. Never seen a pats defense so bad.

With Maye showing so much promise and on rookie year I don't think we can afford another year of Mayo, Covington and Van pelt if they are not cut for it. Better to get a interim vet coach to steady ship and hone in on fundamentals if there is anyone available. Tbh I would pay for Josh McDaniels to come over and see what he can do .

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

He said at the after game press conference it starts with him, you guys just hearing what you want to hear?

Then why doesn't he resign? If he is the root of the problem, he should. He's definitely right at the center of this.

 

[archstanton543]

FO & coaching staff should be first to be thrown under the bus. They made the shoe and fit it.

The bus is big enough to have a whole bunch of people run over by it.

 

[PatsFan2]

The whole team deserves to be thrown under the bus (other than Slye and Barringer). If the shoe fits and all that.

*Ahem* Maye says hello arch.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

Is there a backup to Covington ? Why don't we see occasional blitzes or in game adjustments from him. Never seen a pats defense so bad.

Hopefully they snag Saleh at the end of the season. Great DC, bad HC.

With Maye showing so much promise and on rookie year I don't think we can afford another year of Mayo, Covington and Van pelt if they are not cut for it. Better to get a interim vet coach to steady ship and hone in on fundamentals if there is anyone available. Tbh I would pay for Josh McDaniels to come over and see what he can do .

McDaniels has been terrible as a HC. OC? Sure. There are HC caliber guys they can go after, but Kraft has a lot of work to do before he can woo them. Wolf has to go, for example. I like Eric Bieniemy, but if you want to go with a proven turnaround specialist, Harbaugh is your man. He's done it before, he can do it again. Not sure if Harbaugh is the right coach for Maye, though.

 

[archstanton543]

*Ahem* Maye says hello arch.

He's more entertaining than Brissett but he should have had 2 INT's Sunday.

 

[PatsFan2]

He's more entertaining than Brissett but he should have had 2 INT's Sunday.

archan!!!

 

[Toofy]

Hopefully they snag Saleh at the end of the season. Great DC, bad HC.


McDaniels has been terrible as a HC. OC? Sure. There are HC caliber guys they can go after, but Kraft has a lot of work to do before he can woo them. Wolf has to go, for example. I like Eric Bieniemy, but if you want to go with a proven turnaround specialist, Harbaugh is your man. He's done it before, he can do it again. Not sure if Harbaugh is the right coach for Maye, though.

Harbaugh is not coming here. They are safely entrenched in ravens and chargers for foreseeable future.

Wishlist

Brian Flores - HC
Jeff Fisch/ Phil longo ( Drake maye ex OC - badgers current OC) - OC
Saleh - DC
Retain - Springer and Peters

Or hit home run with Ben Johnson.

This might help us get on rebuild quicker and Saleh is also a players coach with some tough as nails attitude on defense side and great game planning . Flores might be able to provide his inputs on top of it to make it lethal.

Hire more offensive assistants and real solid QB and TE coach to build the pipeline.

 

[PatsFan2]

He's more entertaining than Brissett but he should have had 2 INT's Sunday.

You mean like A Rodgers: his picks were so contagious he started picking his nose.

 

[sb1]

He's more entertaining than Brissett but he should have had 2 INT's Sunday.

Ya but I'd expect that from a rookie QB with his profile. Doesn't bother me that much tbh. This is the NFL not the ACC and the kid is still green. I hope this is a great learning experience for him - what throws work against pro defenses and what throws not to make.

Peyton had a ton of INTs his rookie year and learned a lot that way.

 

[Ring 6]

He's more entertaining than Brissett but he should have had 2 INT's Sunday.

Now we are doing coulda shoulda woulda?

 

[borg]

He's more entertaining than Brissett but he should have had 2 INT's Sunday.

I counted 3
Stone hands and butterfingers by Jax defenders enables us to maintain a heightened level of giddiness about Maye....vs fretting about 5-6 turnovers in his first 2 games.