Coaching

[Ring 6]

Getting rid of Wolf would be the biggest mistake Kraft could make. He’s the one who is doing their job right. The hardest thing for any GM is getting a franchise QB, and it looks like he did it in his first draft.

Other than drafting the qb the world told him to what good things has Wolf done? It anazes me that any fan would be supporting him at this point.

 

[Love The Drake]

And Slow Polk's hands have departed.

that nickname alone makes me want to jump out a window.

 

[sb1]

Other than drafting the qb the world told him to what good things has Wolf done? It anazes me that any fan would be supporting him at this point.

He's had one draft and the season of that draft isn't even halfway over yet.

 

[goheels22002]

That’s exactly why Mayo throwing the entire team under the bus publicly is a mistake of incomprehensible magnitude. He had a chance to bring the team together and he sacrificed it for sake of his own ego.

Dark energy forcing the observable universe to continue expanding 13.8 billion years after the Big Bang is incomprehensible.

Mayo calling out his team as "soft" after they got pushed around by the Jacksonville Jaguars is not only comprehensible, it is true. These large adult men being paid hundreds of thousands of dollars need to suck it up, look at the tape, and say, yeah, we got manhandled by a 1-5 team. Do you really think the egos of these manchildren who played high school and college football are not used to being called out by their coach?

Soft? Dante Scarnecchia used much more colorful language than that when his offensive line let some large man ruffle Tom Brady's skirt. Are these guys such babies that they can't be called out?

Mayo did not do it for his ego. He called out his team for getting mauled by The Jacksonville Jaguars!

 

[turkeyneck]

Dark energy forcing the observable universe to continue expanding 13.8 billion years after the Big Bang is incomprehensible.

Mayo calling out his team as "soft" after they got pushed around by the Jacksonville Jaguars is not only comprehensible, it is true. These large adult men being paid hundreds of thousands of dollars need to suck it up, look at the tape, and say, yeah, we got manhandled by a 1-5 team. Do you really think the egos of these manchildren who played high school and college football are not used to be called out by their coach.

Mayo did not do for his ego. He called out his team for getting mauled by The Jacksonville Jaguars!

Calling them out in a closed locker room with no press present - coaching.

Calling them out in public, in the press - divisive blame shifting.

 

[Love The Drake]

Can someone pay for a billboard that says Mayo isn’t the way o?
Then a picture of all the offensive coordinators up for head coaching promotions below it?
A go fund me ?

 

[n1997y]

Mayo did not do it for his ego. He called out his team for getting mauled by The Jacksonville Jaguars!

He did it to distract from HIS team, the guys he coached and prepared to play, getting the ball run down their throats eighteen plays in a row while he watched from the sidelines without making adjustments to stop it. It’s like a doctor blaming his patient for bleeding out when he didn’t apply a tourniquet.

 

[goheels22002]

Calling them out in a closed locker room with no press present - coaching.

Calling them out in public, in the press - divisive blame shifting.

Oh, so I guess publishing the game stats is blame shifting. The Patriots lost in time of possession 33 minutes to 27 minutes, lost in # of first downs 23-16, lost in yards rushing 171 to 38, lost in yards per play 6.2 to 5.5, allowed 2 sacks to zero, - stop me if these stats don't make the Patriots look "soft," - lost in penalties and penalized yards, and lost 32 -16 to The Jacksonville Jaguars!

Tell me why, precisely, these professional athletes should not be called out for that performance on a neutral field. These are professional football players, not children.

 

[goheels22002]

He did it to distract from HIS team, the guys he coached and prepared to play, getting the ball run down their throats eighteen plays in a row while he watched from the sidelines without making adjustments to stop it. It’s like a doctor blaming his patient for bleeding out when he didn’t apply a tourniquet.

It is not even close to blaming a patient. In your world, is the doctor paying hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars to a grown man to be a patient? Are you kidding? There is no part of the doctor patient analogy that fits these professional football players getting pushed all over the field by The Jacksonville Jaguars!

 

[turkeyneck]

Oh, so I guess publishing the game stats is blame shifting. The Patriots lost in time of possession 33 minutes to 27 minutes, lost in # of first downs 23-16, lost in yards rushing 171 to 38, lost in yards per play 6.2 to 5.5, allowed 2 sacks to zero, - stop me if these stats don't make the Patriots look "soft," - lost in penalties and penalized yards, and lost 32 -16 to The Jacksonville Jaguars!

Tell me why, precisely, these professional athletes should not be called out for that performance on a neutral field. These are professional football players, not children.

You're missing the point.
Did they play execrably? - Yes.
Do they deserve to be called out for it? - Yes.
Do they deserve to be called out for it publicly? - By the press, yes; by the fans, yes. By their coach, emphatically no; his criticisms belong in house.

 

[Vindicate]

That’s exactly why Mayo throwing the entire team under the bus publicly is a mistake of incomprehensible magnitude. He had a chance to bring the team together and he sacrificed it for sake of his own ego.

This. Regardless if "soft" is warranted, Mayo could've very easily just said "actually I'm confident this roster is capable of greatness, it's up to us to get to the next level, but thanks for telling me how you really feel. Next question."

 

[n1997y]

Do they deserve to be called out for it publicly? - By the press, yes; by the fans, yes. By their coach, emphatically no; his criticisms belong in house.

To expand this for those who may not fully grasp it, part of the job of a coach is to get the best out of each of his players.

That means helping them improve. It may mean motivating them by pissing them off. It certainly means teaching them to fix mistakes. They won’t listen if they’re too pissed off. So the coach has to walk a fine line to avoid undermining his own effectiveness. That is why the adage “praise in public, punish in private” is well established as a principle of managing and coaching.

 

[Pape]

I’m voting for Optimus Prime as always

I'll be writing in Jeff Beck.

Baggins/Gamgee '24

 

[mgteich]

Either way Kraft needs to make some moves to make things different for this franchise..

As far as Kraft is concerned, the moves have been made.

How many believe that Wolf's plan to extend players and wait until 2025 to use $100M of cap was not approved by Kraft?

Will Wolf really be fired because he thought we could be OK with Lowe, Okorafor, Wallace and Anderson t LT (actually Jacobs not Anderson by the day after the "final" cut)?

Perhaps Wolf will be fired because he couldn't keep th OL healthy? Or because he couldn't prevent Bentley's injury.
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Sure, WE POSTERS wanted Wolf to spend to the limit in the hugely overpriced free agency (because of all the extra cap money). Do you think that Kraft wanted that from Wolf/ If so, he should be gone. Wolf has been trying to trade for a top free agent. One expects that he will have a better chance in the next off-season.
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BOTTOM LINE
Things haven't changed since the day the coaches were hired. Mayo and Wolf have a 2-4 year window to succeed. Yes, the OC or DC could be replaced after season is that seems reasonable to Wolf and Mayo.

Kraft is an old man, Jonathan less so. They have zero intention of stepping in and firing Wolf or Mayo before they have 2 years to show develop Maye and to get him backup.

Just BTW, we could have spent $40M of 2024 cap money and won another game or two or three. That would mean that we had $40M less to carryover to 2025.

THE REAL QUESTION
is whether Wolf will spend at least $100M in 2025 money early in free agency, and much more after the initial signings.

 

[Peachhead]

Getting rid of Wolf would be the biggest mistake Kraft could make. He’s the one who is doing their job right. The hardest thing for any GM is getting a franchise QB, and it looks like he did it in his first draft.

We had the 3rd pick in the draft, the 3rd ranked QB on just about everyone's board fell to the Pats, and Wolf took him. Hard to screw that up.

 

[mgteich]

We had the 3rd pick in the draft, the 3rd ranked QB on just about everyone's board fell to the Pats, and Wolf took him. Hard to screw that up.

I disagree. Many posters would have traded down and passed on Maye. Then Penix or Nix or Rattler would be our QB.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

Yeah, I give Wolf credit for taking Maye which seems to be a good choice. It's easy to say that he just took the 3rd QB with the 3rd pick, but there's still a lot of work that goes into deciding if that 3rd QB is worth taking and building around. That being said, even if you give him props for that, what else has he done?

None of the rest of his picks look good. Polk has been bad so far. Wallace didn't look great. Baker can't get on the field. Robinson looks like a weak player on a weak line. It's still early for all of them, but early returns are not good.

In free agency, even if you disagree, they clearly had a plan to only pursue top of the market and not "waste" any money on middling guys. Again, agree or disagree, that seemed to be their approach. They still signed some lower cost guys and so far they whiffed on every single one of them it seems. Watts/Okorafor aren't even here anyore. Hawkins, Takitaki and Gibson are about as "meh" as it gets. They didn't find any diamonds in the rough, that's for sure.

Their coaching hires don't seem good either.

It's great that they seem to have found a real QB prospect worth hitching their wagon too, but it's been an entirely wasted year otherwise. Sure in the grand scheme of things this offseason will be a net positive if Maye is the guy but that doesn't mean it had to come at the cost of totally failing everywhere else. They could have added Maye AND still made some type of progress on the rest of the roster. It's not an either-or, not for a competent GM.

I really think with the lack of spending to the cap they asked Wolf to catch a pass with both his hands tied behind his back. So I'll cut him some slack and if they liked him enough to keep/promote him then they probably shouldn't rush to judgement and fire him now. But early signs aren't positive, I'll say that.

Same goes for Mayo. The roster is bad so it was/is unfair to expect good results, but he doesn't seem to have a good hold of the locker room and there doesn't seem to be too many guys progressing throughout the year so far. So again, early returns look terrible.

 

[ohiopatsfan]

It appears that the plan was to draft the franchise QB this year, hang onto as much cap space as possible, get as high a draft spot as possible in 2025 and make the big moves next year. If 2025 is also a crap year, that plan will be scrapped along with the coaching staff.

 

[TomPatriot]

It appears that the plan was to draft the franchise QB this year, hang onto as much cap space as possible, get as high a draft spot as possible in 2025 and make the big moves next year. If 2025 is also a crap year, that plan will be scrapped along with the coaching staff.

I think it depends on how the rest of 2024 goes. If it’s like the last six games . . .

 

[Sfpat]

The first 15 plays were scripted before the game. Maye did indeed do very well, when he knows the script.

Obviously, the drops hurt the team, but so did some very poor passes.

But all is good. The passing game has arrived.

But then the Pat's started running up the middle on every 1st down. Everyone, including the Jag DC knew what was coming.