Coaching

[goheels22002]

Does anyone here disagree with the assertion that Mayo is completely overmatched and should no longer be head coach? I’m genuinely curious if some are still laying this disaster at the feet of BB or if there’s still confidence in Mayo somehow, and that he just needs time to fully establish his Kumbaya system and then he will will turn things around.

I believe it is unfair to a) judge Mayo and his staff on anything less than one season, b) think he cannot get better in a short period (see Celtics, Boston 2022-2023), c) blame Mayo for making the decision to sit Drake Maye for six games to give him a sideline look at what an NFL game is like, and d) calling out his defense for getting manhandled by a team like Jacksonville (even though I was really impressed with that offensive line as a unit.

In other words, I just plain don't know. In my experience with coaching and watching coaches, nothing brings a team together like adversity and understanding the trust that is necessary that everyone has everyone's back. Nobody from the HC on down to the trainers and strength coaches knew what this was going to be like. They also didn't know who their leaders were on the roster.

All these guys who want to fire Mayo better offer a suggestion of someone who could come into this situation and make it work in year one with this limited roster. There's a reason why Jim Harbaugh went to San Diego with a proven QB and a pretty good roster. He also did not want to the guy to follow Belichick.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

I believe it is unfair to a) judge Mayo and his staff on anything less than one season, b) think he cannot get better in a short period (see Celtics, Boston 2022-2023), c) blame Mayo for making the decision to sit Drake Maye for six games to give him a sideline look at what an NFL game is like, and d) calling out his defense for getting manhandled by a team like Jacksonville (even though I was really impressed with that offensive line as a unit.

I’ll take that as “I disagree.” The problem is that his players aren’t buying in and playing hard for him. He has lost the locker room. They don’t respect him. I can’t recall a single NFL coach who recovered from that.

All these guys who want to fire Mayo better offer a suggestion of someone who could come into this situation and make it work in year one with this limited roster. There's a reason why Jim Harbaugh went to San Diego with a proven QB and a pretty good roster. He also did not want to the guy to follow Belichick.

If they ****can Mayo & Co. and Wolf after the season, it’s back to square 1. Well, maybe square 2 because it looks like we’ve got our QB. Right now we’re at square -3, deep in the hole. And if the team is playing hard, the game planning is sound, the in game adjustments are being made, the 2025 draft yields some solid players, then we’ll be off to a good start. If all of that is happening, then the losses are acceptable while we wait to acquire more talent. What we have now is not acceptable.

 

[dliverey44]

The first 15 plays were scripted before the game. Maye did indeed do very well, when he knows the script.

Obviously, the drops hurt the team, but sp did some very poor passes.

But all is good. The passing game has arrived.

I wouldn't necessarily limit it to when he knows the script. He seems like he has a very good grasp of the offense and makes pretty good decisions most of the time. He has had quite a few turn over worthy plays, but the biggest hinderance to the offense seems to be AVP and his determination to stick with the run almost every 1st down.

Maybe it is just me but it feels like the offensive predictability adds to pressure on Maye in the sense that he has to do more.

 

[Vindicate]

Coaching has a lot to do with the staff around you and what you're comfortable with; this staff is relatively new in terms of working with each other. Bill very, very much cherished having an entirely inhouse operation, and it's because it's a great way to cover as much surface area of everyone being on the same page and effectively communicating as such.

I think Mayo, while my feelings have soured a bit, still has an opportunity to prove his worth. It's so hard to measure their efficacy right now because of the roster. And while I love Bill, **** off with your butting-in of this. I think it's awfully convenient to say "a bunch of those are the same players" while not acknowledging a lot of the anchors are injured.

I dunno. I am ALWAYS of firm belief that "players win games, coaches lose them" - so I will always think that these losses can have a large part chalked up to the coaching staff failing to put themselves in a better position than last year.

For me, it's too difficult to show. Lots of first years for an HC inheriting a bad roster have looked pretty damn bad. The greatest coach in the game couldn't overcome it. In fact, is there a singular historical example of a roster this bad being turned around in the first year of a new HC?

The injuries/uhhh legal issues, especially on defense, are really some huge players that were responsible for our identity. I guess the coaching fault here is the clear distinction from the starter to the next man up, and for not beefing up the middle class of this team.

Just a murky season so far. I was hoping for progression, but it has been two ups and many downs.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

You cant spell innovative without AVP

 

[Huckleberry1]

Both coordinators are vulnerable, obviously the OC more so.

If Kraft likes Wolf so much, then Wolf needs a promotion into a job elsewhere in Krat's companies.

I expect that Mayo will be coach for the 2-4 rebuilding year process.

The quarterback whisperer should be given more responsibility.

Getting rid of Wolf would be the biggest mistake Kraft could make. He’s the one who is doing their job right. The hardest thing for any GM is getting a franchise QB, and it looks like he did it in his first draft.

 

[upstater1]

Getting rid of Wolf would be the biggest mistake Kraft could make. He’s the one who is doing their job right. The hardest thing for any GM is getting a franchise QB, and it looks like he did it in his first draft.

Everyone had Maye going 3rd.

How hard was that.

We picked at the top of each round and ended up with Polk, Wallace and Robinson.

 

[Love The Drake]

Belichick would not have taken him third and we would be regretting the draft pick he did make.

Everyone had Maye going 3rd.

How hard was that.

We picked at the top of each round and ended up with Polk, Wallace and Robinson.

 

[TommyD4207]

Belichick would not have taken him third and we would be regretting the draft pick he did make.

Based on....'trust me, bro' or the voices in your head?

 

[TheRainMaker]

Ah, an interesting myth.

In your world, the fault of coaching doesn't lie at the top with the coordinators and head coach.

If a coach is doing poorly, he isn't going to quit. It is the job of the coordinators to step in.

At the most obvious, the OC could have his responsibilities decreased at any time.

I have no idea where you're going with this.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Everyone had Maye going 3rd.

How hard was that.

We picked at the top of each round and ended up with Polk, Wallace and Robinson.

Half this forum said that only 30% of QB’s picked in the first round succeed, and they wanted him to trade out. Wolf was right to avoid that free agent market, and he got them their franchise QB. IMO he’s going to be a really good GM and they would be stupid to get rid of him.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

Based on....'trust me, bro' or the voices in your head?

As arrogant as he is, I am sure that BB learned a lot from the Mac experience. Starting with the importance of having a good QB. Whether it was Maye or another first rounder BB has shown the ability to develop young QB's, I think he gave up on Mac.

 

[n1997y]

Getting rid of Wolf would be the biggest mistake Kraft could make. He’s the one who is doing their job right. The hardest thing for any GM is getting a franchise QB, and it looks like he did it in his first draft.

Yes, Wolf has constructed a roster chock full of talent, spending reasonably close to the cap and getting great value for it… oh, wait…

 

[n1997y]

… In my experience with coaching and watching coaches, nothing brings a team together like adversity and understanding the trust that is necessary that everyone has everyone's back. Nobody from the HC on down to the trainers and strength coaches knew what this was going to be like. They also didn't know who their leaders were on the roster.

That’s exactly why Mayo throwing the entire team under the bus publicly is a mistake of incomprehensible magnitude. He had a chance to bring the team together and he sacrificed it for sake of his own ego.

 

[Love The Drake]

That’s exactly why Mayo throwing the entire team under the bus publicly is a mistake of incomprehensible magnitude. He had a chance to bring the team together and he sacrificed it for sake of his own ego.

Jason Whitlock first said when we made him head coach Jerod only cared about Jerod.
I think we are seeing a little of that.

 

[DarrylS]

Kraft is not gonna fire Mayo after 1 season, more likely the O & D coordinators will be considered.
Eliot Wolf is the architect of this team, and as he has done so piss poor he is probably the guy who is so vulnerable. Does anyone have any confidence that Wolf will spend the huge amount of cap money ('25 est. $136 Million) to make this team better??
OTOH if you fire AVP, will the new OC stymy Maye's development?? Wasn't that a factor in the Jetes inability to develop Sam Darnold and Geno Smith??

Either way Kraft needs to make some moves to make things different for this franchise..

 

[Clonamery]

Kraft is not gonna fire Mayo after 1 season, more likely the O & D coordinators will be considered.
Eliot Wolf is the architect of this team, and as he has done so piss poor he is probably the guy who is so vulnerable. Does anyone have any confidence that Wolf will spend the huge amount of cap money ('25 est. $136 Million) to make this team better??
OTOH if you fire AVP, will the new OC stymy Maye's development?? Wasn't that a factor in the Jetes inability to develop Sam Darnold and Geno Smith??

Either way Kraft needs to make some moves to make things different for this franchise..

I doubt that Wolf 100% controls the purse strings of the New England Patriots Football Team.

 

[neuronet]

Does anyone here disagree with the assertion that Mayo is completely overmatched and should no longer be head coach? I’m genuinely curious if some are still laying this disaster at the feet of BB or if there’s still confidence in Mayo somehow, and that he just needs time to fully establish his Kumbaya system and then he will will turn things around.

I tentatively disagree and think they should try new oc first. That oc was clearly a head scratcher from the start.

I admit our defense also is not playing amazing. But our offense should be putting up at least 24 a game.

So not a hard disagree but we should get a new oc today. If avp will stay as qb coach fine but otherwise bye

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

I tentatively disagree and think they should try new oc first. That oc was clearly a head scratcher from the start.

I admit our defense also is not playing amazing. But our offense should be putting up at least 24 a game.

So not a hard disagree but we should get a new oc today. If avp will stay as qb coach fine but otherwise bye

I'd agree with you if the all the signs didn't point to him having lost the locker room and if he was assuming personal accountability for the state the team is in and not blaming his team. The truth is that he's soft, not the players. There are recent coaches who have taken Mayo's tack: Patricia with the Lions, Gase with the Jets, and Meyer with the Jags. All three got ****-canned in short order. The only saving grace for Mayo is that Kraft's ego is at stake, and though he should be fired at the end of the season, I wouldn't be surprised to see AVP, Wolf and Covington let go and then a new "co-HC" hired as training wheels for Mayo. It won't work, and he'll be canned after going 0-4 in 2025.

 

[PatsFan2]

The first 15 plays were scripted before the game. Maye did indeed do very well, when he knows the script.

Obviously, the drops hurt the team, but so did some very poor passes.

But all is good. The passing game has arrived.

And Slow Polk's hands have departed.