Why don't any of you have patience?

[TommyD4207]

I want to know why so many here can't give the team time to rebuild. I see so many FIRE MAYO CUT POLK in messages i don't get it.

Mayo has had 7 games that is just his. it takes time to get a system and culture settled in.
People that are complaing about the D the team lost it's best runstopper to blood clots. a leading line backer to injury and good safety to stupidity.
They have not had the same OL in any game this year. Lost the anchor and veteran presence in Andrews
Even the most optimistic fan, which i am, thought this team would cap out at like 9 wins at most and that is with everything going nearly perfect.

So maybe we can just stop with the doom and try some positivity and yes the team is bad but we have a good young QB a good Young CB a WR core that has a lot of potential. So lets try that.

It took him 7 games to lose the locker room, so there's that I guess.

 

[TommyD4207]

I’m still waiting to hear why Mayo was not only deserving to be a HC, but what he could possibly bring to the table X’s and O’s wise.

And the excuses are getting out of hand specifically on defense. There’s always an excuse of some injury or unfortunate circumstance when they continually get bullied by competent teams. They haven’t been good for years and it’s absolutely mind boggling posters think they’d be as good or better with Mayo. Just comical. Lastly, they’ve spent a lot of money on their own players and they are worse.

Mayo will be one and done if they lose out.

Not only can he not manage timeouts - he can't even manage the score. Score a TD in the 4th to go down 9...you go for 1 to make it a one score game, because if you miss, it's a 2-score game. Not like it would have made a difference, because apparently no one can stop the run anymore, but that's like, as basic as it gets.

Unless he's actually under a direct edict to tank the season, it's inexcusable.

But hey, they re-signed all their own players who can't seem to play, and the big-time FA WR that Bob Kraft had to turn to the guy next to him, to even figure out who he is.

It's an absolute clown show.

 

[GaryfromTO]

I have no patience because I keep seeing the Pats doing stupid things over and over and over. From ownership to coaching to personnel decisions, this team is a clown show.
Kraft needs to find an actual football man to run the team and get his hands off it.
The only bright spot is Drake Maye, but he needs better coaches and a hell of a lot better personnel around him.

 

[yukon cornelius]

Nothing to do with the results.....its the lack of discipline, the lack of institutional control, the lack of identity, the lack of any clear plan or direction, the uninspired play, the lack of toughness......results shouldnt matter, but all of the above does matter, and can happen independent of results

 

[dliverey44]

The biggest thing for me is that Mayo has created a culture of throwing people under the bus publicly. He has done it by saying the team fails to execute when given the right call, but at no time I have heard him say anything about the coaches needing to do better. Players are calling out players without actually saying the persons name.

Godchaux came out and threw shade at players for free lancing, Bourne saying people need to check their egos, and Eukale mentioned something today. I was too pissed to actually listen. The culture of calling others out to the media has been established and the coach will lose the team if he has not already. Players will not want to fight with and for their teammates.

I am alright being patient if I feel like the staff and players are heading in the right direction and instead its more like Liam Payne from One Direction. Sorry I know that was dark but I felt it was apt.

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

I don’t think anybody expected a 11 win team this season. As long as we were good I knew bad was bound to come. The mistake this team made was hiring Mayo. He’s a rookie hc who was chosen as he before he had any coaching experience. A better coach and we at least are 3-4. Not good but at least shows me we are in the right direction.

 

[Ring 6]

I don’t think it’s impatience, I think it’s frustration that in almost every regard they are going backward.

We went through an off season where we didn’t even try to spend the cap
We hired a GM with no experience calling shots.
We hired the least experienced HC in memory.
We hired an OC who was not allowed to call plays and was fired any way. By the Cleveland browns.
We hired a DC who was 4th or 5th in line of the defensive brain trust last year

None of the above have shown any level of competence.

“Fire Mayo today” is people talking from frustration.
“Mayo looks like he’s over his head” is people being honest.

“Cut Polk” is frustration.
“Bench Polk because I cannot find a starting wr in the last 50 years in any team who produced less” is being honest.

Everyone gets evaluated from day 1. It’s not a lack of patience to evaluate them honestly. And it’s not reality to say how they are doing their job is irrelevant because they need to suck for longer before it’s ok to say so.

 

[mike_usagisan]

We hired a rookie GM, a rookie HC, rookie playcallers, have a rookie QBs and a couple rookie WRs. In the best of circumstances, this is going to take a long time to work out. I’m in for this season, but if things aren’t pointing up… I don’t know.

[Edit - @Ring 6 beat me to most of my points]

 

[PatsFan2]

I want to know why so many here can't give the team time to rebuild. I see so many FIRE MAYO CUT POLK in messages i don't get it.

Mayo has had 7 games that is just his. it takes time to get a system and culture settled in.
People that are complaing about the D the team lost it's best runstopper to blood clots. a leading line backer to injury and good safety to stupidity.
They have not had the same OL in any game this year. Lost the anchor and veteran presence in Andrews
Even the most optimistic fan, which i am, thought this team would cap out at like 9 wins at most and that is with everything going nearly perfect.

So maybe we can just stop with the doom and try some positivity and yes the team is bad but we have a good young QB a good Young CB a WR core that has a lot of potential. So lets try that.

Yep we are going to be patient with a Defense that gives up 200yds on the ground weekly. When does it end??

 

[TommyD4207]

I don’t think it’s impatience, I think it’s frustration that in almost every regard they are going backward.

We went through an off season where we didn’t even try to spend the cap
We hired a GM with no experience calling shots.
We hired the least experienced HC in memory.
We hired an OC who was not allowed to call plays and was fired any way. By the Cleveland browns.
We hired a DC who was 4th or 5th in line of the defensive brain trust last year

None of the above have shown any level of competence.

“Fire Mayo today” is people talking from frustration.
“Mayo looks like he’s over his head” is people being honest.

“Cut Polk” is frustration.
“Bench Polk because I cannot find a starting wr in the last 50 years in any team who produced less” is being honest.

Everyone gets evaluated from day 1. It’s not a lack of patience to evaluate them honestly. And it’s not reality to say how they are doing their job is irrelevant because they need to suck for longer before it’s ok to say so.

With Mayo, it's the basic game management **** first, that's killing me.

Like, he was the assistant head coach apparently last year, running meetings...and doesn't know if you're down 9 in the 4th quarter with time left, you go for 1? Calls a timeout with 5 minutes to go for no reason in the 4th quarter?

This is before we even get to the players responding to him, or seeming not to in many cases. That is something that can be developed - but it really feels like, and I have no evidence for this, but it *feels* like Mayo thinks saying 'I'm Jerod Mayo, I can say what I want, and I relate to the players' - when in reality, he has no actual cachet as a coach, and honestly as a player (his ring was won on the bench behind Jamie Collins). You've got a bunch of kids in there saying 'Who the **** is this guy?', and neither of their coordinators seem to be able to call a full game either. Ridiculous pre-snap penalties, rushing to the line because they can't get the damn play in.

So, yeah, it can be improved, but the basic, basic, barebones, barely qualified to be a head coach stuff - the basic game management. If you don't have that, you'll cost your team a few games, no matter how good you are.

 

[Pape]

I want to know why so many here can't give the team time to rebuild. I see so many FIRE MAYO CUT POLK in messages i don't get it.

Mayo has had 7 games that is just his. it takes time to get a system and culture settled in.
People that are complaing about the D the team lost it's best runstopper to blood clots. a leading line backer to injury and good safety to stupidity.
They have not had the same OL in any game this year. Lost the anchor and veteran presence in Andrews
Even the most optimistic fan, which i am, thought this team would cap out at like 9 wins at most and that is with everything going nearly perfect.

So maybe we can just stop with the doom and try some positivity and yes the team is bad but we have a good young QB a good Young CB a WR core that has a lot of potential. So lets try that.

I get that sometimes you have to tear things down, start building from the foundation, but what we are seeing thru seven weeks isn't the foundation for anything, there is no culture that I can see, nothing positive to build from. That's why its difficult to "be positive". to "be patient". We know that the Pats could be better.

Its difficult enough for a first time head coach in this league to navigate their first season, which is something i think we all understand. But to be an inexperienced first time coach leading a huge rebuild? Oof... that's asking for problems. Half the issue is the question that has to be asked and really needs an answer - WTF was Kraft thinking?

Being positive - We knew (hoped?) Drake Maye was going to be the bright spot simply because he was the third overall pick. Has stuff to work out sure, but he is going to be good.

As for the rest of it, give me something to be positive about, and I will be responsive.

 

[TommyD4207]

I get that sometimes you have to tear things down, start building from the foundation, but what we are seeing thru seven weeks isn't the foundation for anything, there is no culture that I can see, nothing positive to build from. That's why its difficult to "be positive". to "be patient". We know that the Pats could be better.

Its difficult enough for a first time head coach in this league to navigate their first season, which is something i think we all understand. But to be an inexperienced first time coach leading a huge rebuild? Oof... that's asking for problems. Half the issue is the question that has to be asked and really needs an answer - WTF was Kraft thinking?

Being positive - We knew (hoped?) Drake Maye was going to be the bright spot simply because he was the third overall pick. Has stuff to work out sure, but he is going to be good.

As for the rest of it, give me something to be positive about, and I will be responsive.

I thought Maye was a lot better today than he was last week, even if the numbers don't bear that out. He was much better protecting the football, and Polk let him down on numerous occasions. He needs to get those deeper sideline passes out there though, too much air under a couple of them.

 

[TomPatriot]

I’m pissed Mayo and the other coaches did not accurately predict all the defensive injuries / pseudo suspensions the team has had. Unacceptable!

But seriously…people these days are programmed for instant gratification ie drive through McDonald’s. Add to that the social media snowflakes and this is where we are.

Many here expected tough growing pains this season. The polls taken here were indicative of that… yet when it actually happens…panic. People have less patience these days.

It’s a little early for players to make business decisions. I think we saw a bit of that today. If they aren’t good enough, that’s one thing and I get it. But the undisciplined play and other problems, those are unacceptable, especially if the owner “hates losing.”

 

[Pape]

I thought Maye was a lot better today than he was last week, even if the numbers don't bear that out. He was much better protecting the football, and Polk let him down on numerous occasions. He needs to get those deeper sideline passes out there though, too much air under a couple of them.

Maye looks like the real deal. Wish the team had done more to help him. we have nearly 37 million in cap space left over this year. That could have been used to help... either the line, wide receivers, a third down back or even on the defensive side of the ball... one or two players could have made a difference,

 

[Ring 6]

Not only can he not manage timeouts - he can't even manage the score. Score a TD in the 4th to go down 9...you go for 1 to make it a one score game, because if you miss, it's a 2-score game. Not like it would have made a difference, because apparently no one can stop the run anymore, but that's like, as basic as it gets.

Unless he's actually under a direct edict to tank the season, it's inexcusable.

But hey, they re-signed all their own players who can't seem to play, and the big-time FA WR that Bob Kraft had to turn to the guy next to him, to even figure out who he is.

It's an absolute clown show.

He was right going for 2.

Down 15 you either need 2 scores of you get the 2 pt conversion of 3 if you miss it.

With 9 minutes left you want to know then whether you need 2 or 3 scores.

If you make the 2 it didn’t matter which time you ran it

If you miss you either know you need 2 more scores with 9 minutes left or you find out with 1 minute left when it’s too late.

Down 1 score vs down 2 scores are 2 very different strategies.

By going for 2 you get that info with time to do something about it.

That is an advantage of going for 2 the first time, there is no advantage of going for 2 the second time instead.

 

[JohnJH]

I get that sometimes you have to tear things down, start building from the foundation, but what we are seeing thru seven weeks isn't the foundation for anything, there is no culture that I can see, nothing positive to build from. That's why its difficult to "be positive". to "be patient". We know that the Pats could be better.

Its difficult enough for a first time head coach in this league to navigate their first season, which is something i think we all understand. But to be an inexperienced first time coach leading a huge rebuild? Oof... that's asking for problems. Half the issue is the question that has to be asked and really needs an answer - WTF was Kraft thinking?

Being positive - We knew (hoped?) Drake Maye was going to be the bright spot simply because he was the third overall pick. Has stuff to work out sure, but he is going to be good.

As for the rest of it, give me something to be positive about, and I will be responsive.

"Half the issue is the question that has to be asked and really needs an answer - WTF was Kraft thinking?" Thank you Pape!!! It's not just me then!

 

[JohnJH]

I thought Maye was a lot better today than he was last week, even if the numbers don't bear that out. He was much better protecting the football, and Polk let him down on numerous occasions. He needs to get those deeper sideline passes out there though, too much air under a couple of them.

Maye does have a seriously promising arm though, doesn't he? And the size and athletic ability to go with it (and he seems to have it between the ears too).

 

[cmasspatsfan]

The biggest thing for me is that Mayo has created a culture of throwing people under the bus publicly. He has done it by saying the team fails to execute when given the right call, but at no time I have heard him say anything about the coaches needing to do better. Players are calling out players without actually saying the persons name.

Godchaux came out and threw shade at players for free lancing, Bourne saying people need to check their egos, and Eukale mentioned something today. I was too pissed to actually listen. The culture of calling others out to the media has been established and the coach will lose the team if he has not already. Players will not want to fight with and for their teammates.

I am alright being patient if I feel like the staff and players are heading in the right direction and instead its more like Liam Payne from One Direction. Sorry I know that was dark but I felt it was apt.

He says it every week, you not watching the post game interviews?

 

[Tunescribe]

I want to know why so many here can't give the team time to rebuild. I see so many FIRE MAYO CUT POLK in messages i don't get it.

Mayo has had 7 games that is just his. it takes time to get a system and culture settled in.
People that are complaing about the D the team lost it's best runstopper to blood clots. a leading line backer to injury and good safety to stupidity.
They have not had the same OL in any game this year. Lost the anchor and veteran presence in Andrews
Even the most optimistic fan, which i am, thought this team would cap out at like 9 wins at most and that is with everything going nearly perfect.

So maybe we can just stop with the doom and try some positivity and yes the team is bad but we have a good young QB a good Young CB a WR core that has a lot of potential. So lets try that.

How can you be sure Mayo even HAS a "system"? We have a bargain-basement, slapped-together staff of assistants led by a neophyte HC with little meaningful experience. His primary qualification: the owner fell in love with his personal profile. Reports since the start of training camp suggest Mayo does little hands-on coaching, no game planning and defers to AVP/Covington/Springer on essentially everything. Apparently, he sees himself primarily as coaching CEO/team media spokesman.

The Patriots are sloppy, soft, underprepared and situationally challenged. The defense, running game and special teams are getting worse each week. Where are the adjustments -- not only in-game, but between games? Sure, the roster was suspect to begin with and injuries have hurt. But if they were consistently tough and disciplined (as in Cincinnati), they at least would be competitive. That's on coaching.

After consecutive losing seasons in 2022 and 2023 and at 1-6 (5-19 since last year), being impatient is completely justified. In fact, considering all the losing we've endured and the prospect that RKK made a big mistake anointing Mayo, impatience should be ENCOURAGED.

 

[Foxypats]

What is more frustrating than anything, is the lack of discipline and the off field antics that was never a part of the Patriot culture. RK always seemed to want choir boys on his team, 'integrity above all' was his mantra for years . Why has that changed and why are these players not being held accountable for that ****? How is Polk aloud to post that BS on his instagram account ?This kind of stuff was not allowed in the previous regime and players were not allowed to run their mouth of . If they did, they were benched , reprimanded, etc. The fact that players are doing this, means they have no respect for their head coach, for the organization or their team mates and that is the mentality of a losing culture.
The coaching is beyond horrible, if players are not staying in their lanes, how is that not the responsibility of the head coach and his team ? People here excuse everything Mayo does. I look at the team and I see a lack of discipline and more important a lack of effort !!! Even if we had some superstars on the team, but there is no respect among the players, the result will be the same. That starts with the head coach and if he can't lead a group of grown men , than we need a change . If I saw improvement, even small ones every week , I would be patient.
We have a young QB that there is a lot to be excited about but when the rest is abysmal it is hard to get excited about his progress as I am afraid he will be ruined with this coaching staff !!