Is Mayo the Right Guy to be leading this team?

[cmasspatsfan]

There is nothing wrong with being impatient about a team that hasn't won at home in a full calendar year. They've gone 5-18 since last season -- truly awful. It also is reasonable to seriously question whether a coach with Mayo's lack of experience was the right choice to handle a rebuilding job of this magnitude. That is, along with a personnel director in Wolf who also is heading a front office for the first time.

The bottom line is the Patriots didn't have to sink this low, forcing fans to suffer the inevitable growing pains. That includes time lost to eventually replacing the likes of AVP. They'd be in better shape overall had RKK prioritized proven track records at both positions in the hiring process.

I guess I'm willing to wait a year or two to get back in the thick of things, we had it so good for so long I guess this is the price you pay. I'm not saying Mayo's great or Lombardi just that I'm willing to give him some time to grow into the role. If he doesn't improve over time, I'll be on the get rid of him bandwagon too. It's just that this year was going to be bad no matter who the coach was so it's a good time for a rookie coach to grow, if he doesn't, I'll be the first to say get someone else.
My Lombardi reference was just to show not all good or great coaches start out that way.

 

[ahmed]

It is like the people that reflexively call others "racist" when they run out of any reasonable talking points (@ahmed for example). You are obsessed with BB and want to project your obsession on others. Grow up and look at the product on the field.

I called you racist because you said something that is undeniably racist. But since I tend to like everyone here by virtue of supporting the same team, I gave you the benefit of the doubt by asking if a joke which you made clear is not.

Instead of making **** up to feel better about your short comings, try looking at yourself in the mirror.

 

[Tunescribe]

I guess I'm willing to wait a year or two to get back in the thick of things, we had it so good for so long I guess this is the price you pay. I'm not saying Mayo's great or Lombardi just that I'm willing to give him some time to grow into the role. If he doesn't improve over time, I'll be on the get rid of him bandwagon too. It's just that this year was going to be bad no matter who the coach was so it's a good time for a rookie coach to grow, if he doesn't, I'll be the first to say get someone else.
My Lombardi reference was just to show not all good or great coaches start out that way.

I understand the Lombardi reference. I don't buy the "this season was doomed regardless" concession, or that we're due for years of losing just because we enjoyed those 20 years of BB/Brady. And while I think we owe Mayo the benefit of a doubt for a while yet, the signs are not good (same for Wolf).

Better coaching probably could have salvaged wins vs. Seattle and Miami. That's the difference between Mayo and an established coach with a track record a la Vrabel, BOB, Harbaugh, etc. -- even considering this paltry roster. Two wins would've put New England at 3-3 making 2024 a meaningful season to build on. The program did not need to sink this low, if not for RKK being enamored of Mayo's personal profile en route to elevating him (and Wolf) way prematurely.

 

[captain stone]

…Also, why add the straw man that people had to think that BB should still be here in order to think Mayo has not been a good head coach?

Yep; there is a faction among us, of which I belong, that believe that All of them - RK, Bill, Wolfie, Al Groh’s kid, MayoNays, AVP & the WR/DC - all Suck in their own Special way.

 

[NashuaPats]

I’m going to do my best to give Mayo the benefit of doubt and root for him to succeed. That said, last season was the only year someone from within the organization was leaking internal drama and criticism of Belichick to the media. And it all went to Tom Curran who Mayo had previously hosted both a tv show and a podcast with. Maybe, it was coming from the Krafts. I don’t know, but I didn’t like it and I’m suspicious especially after seeing Mayo using a pet nickname for Kraft. I think Mayo was undermining Bill last year and there was nothing Bill could do about it considering Mayo’s contract making him Bill’s successor. Except for this post, I’m mostly biting my lip. Just my 2 cents.

 

[State]

Yep; there is a faction among us, of which I belong, that believe that All of them - RK, Bill, Wolfie, Al Groh’s kid, MayoNays, AVP & the WR/DC - all Suck in their own Special way.

This isn’t funny anymore. It’s spot on.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Mayo's stock is becoming a penny stock when you get your asses kicked by a 1-5 team.

Jerod Tomsula.

 

[Kdo5]

I could tolerate even a 2-5 start if there were signs of improvement. But outside of the QB everything continues to get worse. That’s so unacceptable.

 

[Wozzy]

I mean we have a rookie head coach who has never been a coordinator even, coaching players obtained by a rookie GM, coordinated by an offensive and defensive coach who are both rookie play callers… and these guys have a rookie QB at the helm.

This was poorly conceived and executed by the Krafts. It’s a unicorn scenario to find a head coach with no experience turn out to be good… rare. But to throw your lot in with an entirely inexperienced staff from top to bottom is just foolhardy arrogance. Like you as owners have some innate skill to find coaches with the “it” factor even though they have no experience at all.

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

Biggest problem is, what do rookies this year learn from a coach who obviously is still learning himself and has no idea what he’s doing currently? Just feels like a lost year overall

 

[h0c2000]

 

[Ring 6]

The real sign that cus hung is the issue is that there are new problems every week.
Every single facet of this team has been pathetic at some point in the season.

It’s the Qb
It’s the OL
It’s the pass D
It’s the run
It’s sts
It’s play calling

Every week something is debilitating. If you fix one thing something else breaks.
I think what it really is, is that we are t capable of countering any teams strength. They decide what they want to do an enforce their will on us, and we can’t coach our way out of that paper bag.

 

[Ring 6]

Yep; there is a faction among us, of which I belong, that believe that All of them - RK, Bill, Wolfie, Al Groh’s kid, MayoNays, AVP & the WR/DC - all Suck in their own Special way.

In fairness, in your opinion everyone sucks.

 

[PaulThePat]

I'm not calling time on Mayo, but I would say his body language stinks. He looks completely lost/bewildered on the sidelines.

 

[pctronics0072]

Mayo is not the right person to lead a peewee football team

Worst hire after colts hiring Saturday.

Case in point:
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[yukon cornelius]

Lack of talent IS an issue......but lack of talent doesnt make a team soft, it doesnt make a team ill prepared, or lacking in discipline......these are issues that all come back to coaching

 

[Wozzy]

Lack of talent IS an issue......but lack of talent doesnt make a team soft, it doesnt make a team ill prepared, or lacking in discipline......these are issues that all come back to coaching

The big gaping hole in the middle of the run defense would be easily solved by signing some massive run stuffer out there, even if it's some older guy waiting for somebody to call. He would hold the line until Barmore potentially returned. They didn't sign anyone, they brought in some undersized longshot, late round draft pick, UDFA waive wire types off the scrap heap. I suspect BB would have made a schematic change as well, went back to a 3 DT type front... adjusted.

The big gaping hole on the offensive line, that should have been addressed in the offseason... too late now. They brought 4-5 longshot, late round draft pick, UDFA waive wire types in since the season began and came away with one player in Demontry Jacobs. Unfortunelty Wolf relied those same sort of scrubs back at the start of offseason thinking they were good enough to start... which is why they stink right now.

If Mayo is the guy ready to lead these guys... can anyone explain why Polk was shoehorned in as a starter despite his atrocious hands all season and there has been zero accountability for his atrocious hands? You want to trade Thornton, so you're putting him on ice and letting him collect a paycheck with zero chance to up his trade value or prove his worth by playing him with the first QB in his entire pro career who can actually throw long?

I think Elliot Wolf makes personnel decisions from up on high and Mayo does what he's told. We're being forced to watch Polk because Wolf wants to justify the draft pick.

 

[Betterthanmost]

I can swear I heard Mayo actually say he was bringing a softer touch or that was in my mind during the offseason?

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Mayo is not the right person to lead a peewee football team

Worst hire after colts hiring Saturday.

Case in point:
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To be fair to Mayo he has taken responsibility, said it starts with him. I know people are pissed watching this **** show but don't make stuff up.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

To be fair to Mayo he has taken responsibility, said it starts with. I know people are pissed watching this **** show but don't make stuff up.

Still throws his player under the bus a lot !

Again today !

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