What did Drake Maye learn today?

[Ring 6]

What?

He was very accurate by NFL standards.

 

[TommyD4207]

He was very accurate by NFL standards.

...in 1977 maybe.

 

[Ring 6]

Patriots posted this video compilation, said it was all of Maye’s plays. I went through it and looked at each one. I then cross checked the ESPN play by play to verify who he targeted and play results. Found that there were several plays listed on the play by play but missing from the compilation: Q2 SACK @ 12:06, Q3 passes to Hasty @ 3:49 and Pop @ 3:04, and Q4 SACK @ 5:56.

ESPN box score gave Maye’s passing statistics as 20 for 33. I tried to be fair and found ten to twelve throws I thought were inaccurate, so roughly 1 in 3 of his throws were off target.

I logged these inaccurate or questionable throws, approximate game times taken as shown on the compilation video:

Q1
7:50, 3rd & 9 @ 23, airmailed to the bench
1:52, 3rd & 4 @ 31, INT to a wide open defender

Q2
9:53, 3rd & 4 @ 33, high to Gibson who caught it for +12
8:09, 3rd @ 8 @ 47, deflected
2:53, 3rd & 12 @ 19, threw way behind Hooper
0:28, 1st & 10 @ 40, threw high to Polk
0:21, 1st & 10 @ Texans 47, high to Pop who made a noteworthy catch for +8

Q3
12:10, 3rd & 9 @ 27, out in front of Pop
6:51, 1 & 10 @ 24, threw low to Hooper who made a shoe top catch and then fumbled when tackled

Q4
14:06, 1st & 10 @ 22, screen to Gibson deflected for INT
9:34, 2nd & 5 @ Texans 35, off target to Hasty
1:31, 3rd & 3 @ Texans 23, either throwaway or way off target from scramble

Your 12 out of 33 includes 3 completions a batted ball and 2 throw aways.

 

[Toofy]

Jacoby Brissett had 3 turnovers in 5 games. Maye had 3 in 3 quarters.

It's simple. Because brissett doesn't throw and gets sacked holding ball to dear life. Maye at least threw it away.

Brissett is not a QB in his current avatar

 

[Toofy]

I think the league became too “safe” from a quarterbacking perspective and now turnovers, and particularly interceptions, are not the death rattle they once were. That’s not to say you’re going to win with a guy whose a pick machine, but the rare QB these days is the one who can consistently make big plays. There are so many QBs in the league putting up 18/28/1/0 lines and scoring 20 ppg and it isn’t getting it done.

Allen threw 18 INTs last season and still should have won MVP since he scored so many TDs and 30 ppg. Offenses are struggling league-wide to move the ball and score points, and part of it is due to the idea that a risk-averse QB wins football games. This is one idea that was true but then became oversaturated, so now the opposite philosophy is gaining back some ground, that is, a gunslinger type.

Agree.. Joe flacco slaying in style

 

[TommyD4207]

It's simple. Because brissett doesn't throw and gets sacked holding ball to dear life. Maye at least threw it away.

Brissett is not a QB in his current avatar

4 turnovers in your own territory is the difference between it being a one-score game in the 4th quarter, and a blowout halfway through the third (which it was. Most of Maye's stats came in extended garbage time). At that point you may as well have held onto Mac Jones.

I mean, if you want to handwave that, be my guest - but you're watching a different sport than I am at that point.

 

[Toofy]

4 turnovers in your own territory is the difference between it being a one-score game in the 4th quarter, and a blowout halfway through the third (which it was. Most of Maye's stats came in extended garbage time). At that point you may as well have held onto Mac Jones.

I mean, if you want to handwave that, be my guest - but you're watching a different sport than I am at that point.

1 was a tipped pass not his fault, 1 was a blatant miss by OL on his debut that's a pass and 1 was done by experienced vet TE.

Technically 1 INT in his debut with 3 TD passes is phenomenal . I think I am definitely watching a different sport than you and I am liking what I am seeing .

 

[TommyD4207]

1 was a tipped pass not his fault, 1 was a blatant miss by OL on his debut that's a pass and 1 was done by experienced vet TE.

Technically 1 INT in his debut with 3 TD passes is phenomenal . I think I am definitely watching a different sport than you and I am liking what I am seeing .

The tipped pass was absolutely his fault, as he stared down the outside receiver and slow-released it out there. He didn't think Will Anderson would jump. Shocker, in the pros, everyone jumps on every play.

You're also ignoring the brutal fumble, but that's par for your analysis at this point. Turnovers are actually phenomenal as are garbage-time TDs and stats.

 

[n1997y]

Your 12 out of 33 includes 3 completions a batted ball and 2 throw aways.

Yes, I acknowledged that several of his inaccurate throws were completions where the receiver bailed him out by making a needlessly difficult catch. One of them in particular, to Pop Douglas, had the announcing team piling compliments upon compliments for Pop being able to catch it.

Even cut it in half, is 6 out of 33 acceptable inaccuracy? Thats about 18 % and you were claiming 15 % was an overstatement aearlier in this thread…

I'm hoping Drake pans out, but he’s still got flaws to fix before he’s ready for Canton. You’ve just got to accept that your new binkie isn’t perfect. At least not yet.

 

[Ring 6]

Yes, I acknowledged that several of his inaccurate throws were completions where the receiver bailed him out by making a needlessly difficult catch. One of them, to Pop Douglas, had the announcing team piling compliments upon compliments for Pop being able to catch it.

Even cut it in half, is 6 out of 33 acceptable inaccuracy? Thats about 18 % and you were claiming 15 % was an overstatement aearlier in this thread…

I'm hoping Drake pans out, but he’s still got flaws to fix before he’s ready for Canton. You’ve just got to accept that your new binkie isn’t perfect. At least not yet.

Every qb in every game has throws that are not easy catches.

I don’t know that 15-20% is necessarily wrong, if you are counting completions. I asked the guy who said 15-20% to identify them.
15-20% being imperfect is better then most QBs in most games.

 

[n1997y]

Every qb in every game has throws that are not easy catches.

I don’t know that 15-20% is necessarily wrong, if you are counting completions. I asked the guy who said 15-20% to identify them.
15-20% being imperfect is better then most QBs in most games.

Patriots fans expect better. Maybe we’re spoiled, for some reason.

 

[Ring 6]

Patriots fans expect better. Maybe we’re spoiled, for some reason.

patriot fans have very low expectations now. Maye threw the ball better Sunday then Brady did in his first year

 

[n1997y]

patriot fans have very low expectations now. Maye threw the ball better Sunday then Brady did in his first year

If only the rest of the team, and the coaching, were as good.

 

[Ring 6]

If only the rest of the team, and the coaching, were as good.

Right. Thats the problem.

 

[ViperGTS]

The tipped pass was absolutely his fault, as he stared down the outside receiver and slow-released it out there. He didn't think Will Anderson would jump. Shocker, in the pros, everyone jumps on every play.

You're also ignoring the brutal fumble, but that's par for your analysis at this point. Turnovers are actually phenomenal as are garbage-time TDs and stats.

Wrong, everyone that knows something says the same thing. It was a freak play, and Anderson wasn't cut like he should have.

I know he's not Milton who would complete every pass, blindfolded even. They would score 100 points a game because his TD passes count for double.

Stop trying so hard to put Maye down

 

[n1997y]

Stop trying so hard to put Maye down

If some of you all would stop trying to put Maye in Canton as the second Patriots GOAT QB already, the rest of us wouldn’t be constantly reminded you need to hear about his flaws so you’ll stop claiming he’s perfect when he’s clearly not.

Stop trying to polish his knob so enthusiastically.

 

[TommyD4207]

Stop trying so hard to put Maye down

 

[Ring 6]

Based upon this thread, here is a compilation of a bunch of inaccurate throws mostly by Tom Brady.

 

[A Defiant Goose]

We're overlooking turnovers because we don't give a **** how much a rookie QB turns the ball over in his first game. It's really that simple. It's a lost season, we have no/low expectations, we just want to see some good tough plays made from the QB spot. Even if it comes with growing pains, which, news flash, everyone with at least 17.2 brain cells knew would come with the territory ESPECIALLY the way this roster is built.

 

[rochrist]

Bedard graded him a 2 out of 5. Basically said he sucked in just about every way. Only graded out higher than 3 QBs last weekend.

So there you have it.

That isn't remotely what he said. Among other things, he said:

Let me also point out that I don't grade on a curve. I grade all NFL quarterbacks the same, and each play the same. I don't factor in the level of defense. The Texans are certainly good, especially up front, and fast, but they were not hitting on all cylinders in the secondary (they were down starting safety Jimmie Ward and outside corner Kamari Lassiter). I also do not factor in the age and experience of the QB. If you want to do that, that's fine. It's just something I'm not capable of. I try to grade against NFL average.

The good news?

Maye made plays, many more than the norm for a Patriots quarterback dating back to 2021, Mac Jones' rookie year. Maye's 11 plus plays (he got a half-point boost each for his touchdowns to Kayshon Boutte and Demario Douglas) were tied for the second-highest in a game since 2021 (Mac Jones had 12 in the 2023 season opener against the Eagles).

Jones did that on 60 dropbacks. By plus-play percentage, Maye's debut ranked 7th since 2021. Jacoby Brissett's performance against the Bengals actually ranked at the top. The others were four from Jones' rookie season and 2022 against the Ravens.

Speaking of Brissett, Maye produced my highest-graded Patriots QB game since Week 2. So as far as the decision to go with Maye because he gave the team the best chance to win this week, that would back that up.

Maye was also very good against the blitz: 6 of 10, 113 yards, 2 TDs and 1 INT - rating of 99.2.

Maye also started to settle down more in the final 20 minutes of the game. Before the final drive of the third quarter, Maye was +3.5/-14 for me, so he was +6.5/-3 after that. So that good be a positive indicator going into the Jaguars game.

Bottom line: Maye is a playmaker and came in and made plays immediately. He also handled adversity well, and settled down.