Mayo seemingly blaming Bill for the state of the roster

[signbabybrady]

Yes. The players you mention were disasters but they produced at the NFL level either here or somewhere else. Even Sims made the all-rookie team. You could say Harry and his 22 catches was "producing" but hes done nothing besides that.

Ras-I and Chad were 2nd rounders.

Didn't know about Olsen. I started at '81 as that is when I can say I knew players and got pissed after losses.

Picks 32, 33, and 36.

 

[ahmed]

While I agree that there are several better answers to that question that Mayo could and should have given, this is just a bunch of whining.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Picks 32, 33, and 36.

I didn't include 2nd rounders because there are too many bad picks to mention.

 

[maust]

Yes. The players you mention were disasters but they produced at the NFL level either here or somewhere else. Even Sims made the all-rookie team. You could say Harry and his 22 catches was "producing" but hes done nothing besides that.

Ras-I and Chad were 2nd rounders.

Didn't know about Olsen. I started at '81 as that is when I can say I knew players and got pissed after losses.

Dude, Harry was bad but he was virtually a second rounder, Sims was one overall... no comparison

 

[pctronics0072]

Mayo seems like a ungrateful naive idiot from the beginning and it is getting worse. Maybe he should try sticking to coaching and leave the finger pointing to the adults

At some point, pointing the finger at the predecessor just make you look like an idiot: both in football and IRL

 

[signbabybrady]

I didn't include 2nd rounders because there are too many bad picks to mention.

Sims pick 1 round 1. One of these things is not like the other.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Dude, Harry was bad but he was virtually a second rounder, Sims was one overall... no comparison

Talking first rounders. I drew a line.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Sims pick 1 round 1. One of these things is not like the other.

No ****. They were both picked in the first round.

 

[maust]

No ****. They were both picked in the first round.

Too many White Russians if you're equating a fail at pick 32 with a fail at 1 overall

 

[RobertWeathers]

Too many White Russians if you're equating a fail at pick 32 with a fail at 1 overall

Gawd.

Sims certainly did not live up to his draft status but he was all-rookie, had 17 career sacks as a DT/DE and played 7 seasons.

His career was 10x better than Harry's.

 

[realtime]

Gawd.

Sims certainly did not live up to his draft status but he was all-rookie, had 17 career sacks as a DT/DE and played 7 seasons.

His career was 10x better than Harry's.

You are understandably partial to the 1982 draft

In any event, you are correct. Sims was a passable player with injury and personal issues who simply did not live up to his draft status as you said. Notably, there was a dearth of competent DL's in the 1982 draft, so, if the Patriots were drafting on need rather than BPA, they did not exactly have a lot of attractive alternatives.

Harry on the other hand was a terrible pick with no redeeming qualities. Notably, there was a spate of excellent receivers still on the board at that time.

 

[maust]

His career was 10x better than Harry's.

At one overall vs 32? There's no comparison. Sims was the far bigger fail, not even close

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Mayo seems like a ungrateful naive idiot from the beginning and it is getting worse. Maybe he should try sticking to coaching and leave the finger pointing to the adults

At some point, pointing the finger at the predecessor just make you look like an idiot: both in football and IRL

That's your interpretation, he didn't actually mention Bill, you can take what he said several ways.

 

[lancerman]

Jesus. He deflected the question and said “not touching it”

But because some people view it as a criticism of Bill, it’s not WWIII.

Meanwhile Bill’s made far more direct negative comments towards the coaching staff over the last few weeks

 

[Hugepatsfan]

I don't think BB was ever much for coddling young players he ran his program and you enter in the deep end and either you sink or swim. Happened many times with WRs through the years. The NFL isn't a place for babying.

I'm not talking "coddling" or "babying". He did not make any priority of personnel to foster the young QB's growth. He hired a defensive coordinator and STs coordinator to be OC/QB coach. He basically acted like Mac Jones was supposed to just figure it out.

It came off like he had coached Tom Brady for so long that he was out of touch with how to coach someone who isn't that special on/off the field. There's a lot of room between coddling/babying a young QB and acting like he's supposed to just be Tom Brady.

 

[signbabybrady]

I'm not talking "coddling" or "babying". He did not make any priority of personnel to foster the young QB's growth. He hired a defensive coordinator and STs coordinator to be OC/QB coach. He basically acted like Mac Jones was supposed to just figure it out.

It came off like he had coached Tom Brady for so long that he was out of touch with how to coach someone who isn't that special on/off the field. There's a lot of room between coddling/babying a young QB and acting like he's supposed to just be Tom Brady.

Brady sees it the same way too. I think you've probably seen his comments about this sort of thing:


“I think the quarterbacking has gone backwards a little bit in the NFL,” Brady said Wednesday. “I don’t think it’s improved. I don’t think the teaching’s improved. I think maybe the physical fundamentals might be a little bit improved because there’s better information out there for quarterbacks to study on mechanics. But I don’t think quarterbacks really are really field generals right now like they used to be.

“It’s a broad statement, certainly. But I had total control. I had all the tools I needed. I was coached that way. I was developed to have the tools that I needed to go on the field so that whenever something came up, I had the right play, the right formation, the right audible, the right check at the line — to ultimately take control of the 11 guys on offense and get us into a good, positive play.”

Brady sees what many in the NFL have seen, for years. Quarterbacks have less control in college, which leads to less control at the next level.

“I think now, there’s this try-to-control element from the sideline between the coaches, where they want to have the control,” Brady said. “And they’re not teaching and developing the players the right tools so that they can go out on the field and make their own decisions that are best suited for the team. When I looked at Peyton Manning, he was a guy that I looked up to because he had ultimate control. And I think the game’s regressed in a little bit of that way, based on what’s happened in high school football, college football and then the NFL’s getting a much lesser developed quarterback at this point.”

Brady puts the onus on the whole game to improve the situation.

“It’s on everybody,” Brady said. “It’s on players, it’s on coaches, it’s on the league, it’s on the colleges. Think about it: There’s no continuity anymore. Not even in high school. Not even in college. There’s no programs that are developing [quarterbacks] in college. They’re just teams now. So you play one year here, one year here, one year here. Well, how can you be good at something in a job if you’re only working at one place for one year, then going to another place for one year, then to another place for one year?”

 

[Hugepatsfan]

Brady sees it the same way too. I think you've probably seen his comments about this sort of thing:


“I think the quarterbacking has gone backwards a little bit in the NFL,” Brady said Wednesday. “I don’t think it’s improved. I don’t think the teaching’s improved. I think maybe the physical fundamentals might be a little bit improved because there’s better information out there for quarterbacks to study on mechanics. But I don’t think quarterbacks really are really field generals right now like they used to be.

“It’s a broad statement, certainly. But I had total control. I had all the tools I needed. I was coached that way. I was developed to have the tools that I needed to go on the field so that whenever something came up, I had the right play, the right formation, the right audible, the right check at the line — to ultimately take control of the 11 guys on offense and get us into a good, positive play.”

Brady sees what many in the NFL have seen, for years. Quarterbacks have less control in college, which leads to less control at the next level.

“I think now, there’s this try-to-control element from the sideline between the coaches, where they want to have the control,” Brady said. “And they’re not teaching and developing the players the right tools so that they can go out on the field and make their own decisions that are best suited for the team. When I looked at Peyton Manning, he was a guy that I looked up to because he had ultimate control. And I think the game’s regressed in a little bit of that way, based on what’s happened in high school football, college football and then the NFL’s getting a much lesser developed quarterback at this point.”

Brady puts the onus on the whole game to improve the situation.

“It’s on everybody,” Brady said. “It’s on players, it’s on coaches, it’s on the league, it’s on the colleges. Think about it: There’s no continuity anymore. Not even in high school. Not even in college. There’s no programs that are developing [quarterbacks] in college. They’re just teams now. So you play one year here, one year here, one year here. Well, how can you be good at something in a job if you’re only working at one place for one year, then going to another place for one year, then to another place for one year?”

I don't disagree with anything Brady said here. But no where in this post did he say part of developing a QB is doing the following:

1) Give him a poor OL without much continuity
2) Give him a terrible group of pass catchers who can't create separation or make tough catches
3) Hire career defensive/special teams coaches and let them learn how to coach offense on the fly

Brady talked about how there needs to be more focus on developing QBs. What I'm criticizing BB for is doing is the opposite of what Brady's saying - he DIDN'T give him good coaching. He didn't give him continuity. And Brady never explicitly said it, but I'm sure he's not trying to imply it's good for a QB to play with crap players and the team not invest in improving that position. Heck, it's part of why he left here.

 

[pats99]

I am sure Mayo will backtrack on this in another 48 hours but it is pretty easy to read between the lines on this one. While agree he is mostly right I don't love the finger pointing and excuse making. Him and Wolf had the opportunity this offseason to fix the offensive line and they gambled on a guy who quit the team and some rookies.

I bet you after that first game against the Bengals he had no problem with the roster, lol...

 

[RobertWeathers]

That's your interpretation, he didn't actually mention Bill, you can take what he said several ways.

If hes throwing Wolf under the bus then this management team is fractured and doomed to fail.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

If hes throwing Wolf under the bus then this management team is fractured and doomed to fail.

I think his answer was to not throw anyone under the bus but came out giving everyone to put their own interpretation on it. He has to learn how to answer questions not doing that, he's young and new and learning.