Is this the offense we wanted?

[Hugepatsfan]

This is far from the offense Wolf wanted. They punted on this year. They signed bargain basement guys and sat on a ton of cap space. OP obviously disagrees with the approach they took with the offseason. He criticizes them for it in every thread, arguing they should have maximized improvement instead of GM-orchestrated tanking. And that's fine to think, but you can't say that then try to pretend like the roster was made in the GM's supreme "vision" either.

There's no need to post sillyness like Wolf or the team thinking this was supposed to be a good team.

 

[Ring 6]

If Jacoby gets hurt I might dance the hully gully.

I'm agreeing with your point just pointing out that the lack of health, skill, and cohesion at OL is impacting the ability of other positions to perform.

And I agree, I’m just saying we would be in the same boat with perfect health.

My biggest concern right now is the the front office will redirect the narrative to injuries and defend that they had a good plan but injuries screwed it up, and they don’t learn from their failures. So I’m sensitive to the injury excuse.

 

[Ian]

I would say "no" on this season. They gambled and grabbed a WR instead of a tackle and it sort of is what it is. If Wallace can develop and they draft a couple of guys next April, the left and right side might finally be in better shape and they can move Onwenu back to guard and go from there.

Sort of had a feeling it would take a miracle for things to work out and they had zero margin for error, and they needed a surprise player or two to emerge. Unfortunately, that didn't happen.

For now, it's going to continue to be a mess until guys develop and they can at least get Onwenu to settle down on the right and hopefully develop someone on the left to allow them to limp through these games. However, it remains to be seen if Vederian Lowe can at least help them survive this year until they can draft someone next spring. At the same time, he's a band-aid, and I doubt he has any more luck with a Nick Bosa-type player than Jacobs did. Just have to go bigger and add another lineman on that side to help out in the meantime. Along with come up with better ways to get the ball out of Jacoby's hands sooner.

 

[lancerman]

I said it at the time too. I had an old email associated with the account so I couldn’t receiver it.

It’s all been discussed. You know that.

Andy can you explain how you “said it at the time” when you were denying who you were at the time.



Seems like you just didn’t want to be associated with your old reputation. Idk. Maybe my reading comprehension is wrong again and you are actually explaining how you lost your password in these posts. Silly me

 

[Ian]

I will say with a more solid offensive line, I feel relatively good about their skill players, at least compared to 2023. I'm happy with the overall haul of players in the draft, and I at least like the foundation they're building. But they need serious tackle help, and what happens next season will certainly hinge on that. If Maye can play well down the stretch, they'll probably at least have a better shot in free agency if they show some promise. We'll see, I guess.

 

[signbabybrady]

And I agree, I’m just saying we would be in the same boat with perfect health.

My biggest concern right now is the the front office will redirect the narrative to injuries and defend that they had a good plan but injuries screwed it up, and they don’t learn from their failures. So I’m sensitive to the injury excuse.

I'd think the boat would sail a little better with ****ty but healthy players rather than ****ty and hurt players.

 

[sb1]

You think that missing out on 1 upgrade is the difference between the worst offense in football and a good one?

Strange... I could have sworn that posters here told me last season that Mac Jones was the sole difference between a bad team and a good one. He's gone, the team so far isn't better than last season... and now they're changing their tune. Huh.

 

[Ian]

Strange... I could have sworn that posters here told me last season that Mac Jones was the sole difference between a bad team and a good one. He's gone, the team so far isn't better than last season... and now they're changing their tune. Huh.

I would say Brissett would have fared better behind last year's group, and they probably win a couple of those games where they held opponents to 10 but couldn't score. Jones and Zappe combined for 21 picks last year...that's a lot. I don't think Brissett would have done that, and that alone might have turned a couple of those close games around.

 

[sb1]

I would say Brissett would have fared better behind last year's group, and they probably win a couple of those games where they held opponents to 10 but couldn't score. Jones and Zappe combined for 21 picks last year...that's a lot. I don't think Brissett would have done that, and that alone might have turned a couple of those close games around.

I'd say it's hard to make comparisons like that in a vacuum... teams were ready for Jones and Zappe, maybe it's a different gameplan preparing for Jacoby and things play out differently than they did.

Brissett was also pretty good in relief last year. 146 rating total.

 

[Ring 6]

I would say Brissett would have fared better behind last year's group, and they probably win a couple of those games where they held opponents to 10 but couldn't score. Jones and Zappe combined for 21 picks last year...that's a lot. I don't think Brissett would have done that, and that alone might have turned a couple of those close games around.

Hard to say after seeing him play. I agree there were many games that abysmal QB okay was the difference in winning and losing. And no doubt the rest of the players help make the QB abysmal but the other 52 played well enough to win 10 times if the qb didn’t stink. Im just not sure how much better brissett would have been.
When we signed him, the first thing I realized was we going about the only qb out there worse in ypa and td % than Jones.
But the offense is actually worse this year than last year I just find know how much is the OL and how much is the QB.

 

[Ring 6]

I'd think the boat would sail a little better with ****ty but healthy players rather than ****ty and hurt players.

But hurt players aren’t playing they are being replaced by healthy and orettty much equal players.

 

[Ring 6]

I will say with a more solid offensive line, I feel relatively good about their skill players, at least compared to 2023. I'm happy with the overall haul of players in the draft, and I at least like the foundation they're building. But they need serious tackle help, and what happens next season will certainly hinge on that. If Maye can play well down the stretch, they'll probably at least have a better shot in free agency if they show some promise. We'll see, I guess.

It’s hard to judge the draft.
Maye isn’t being allowed to play.
Polk has a high bar as a #2 and his production is way off where it should be. While it’s easy to blame OL and QB holding him back it doesn’t answer what he would be if not held back.
Wallace looks like a mistake.
Robinson looks awful
Baker can’t get on the field with guys like Osborne, Thornton and Boutte ahead of him.

Way too early to judge the draft either way though.

 

[Triumph]

The timing of Belichick leaving was a dumpster fire ...
So I am fine giving it another year ... We still do not even know what the front office will look like next year.

I would venture to say exactly the same.

 

[Vindicate]

He built the offense he wanted. He thought it was quality. It appears he doesn’t evaluate players very well

I'm still out on my judgment, but I do remember reading an article that came out maybe last year that was declaring how much of a guru Wolf was because when he was young he had made draft cards... And I think remembered some of the stats on them or something.

And that was it.

Was kind of an odd reach lmao.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

You are arguing that he signed bad played and that’s good because he missed another guy so that proves he knows he signed bad players.

Where did I say it’s good?

Then you are arguing he isn’t responsible for building a poor WR corps because he doesn’t need one because the OL he built stinks.

What?

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

Why does it say nothing? It says that he revamped the entire staff and almost all of the players on the offensive side of the ball. He got yo pick them all.

The fact that he chose not to make a “splash” is part of the problem.

He signed
Chunks
Brissett
Gibson
Bourne
Osborne
Hooper
Henry
Onwenu
Leverret

Those are the groceries he picked.

It’s like you are arguing dint criticize the players he signed because he didn’t sign any good players.

Why are you twisting words ?
Where did I say don’t criticize the players

 

[Stu Pidassle]

On the surface it made sense to prioritize WR over OL this year with the understanding that OL will be the priority next offseason. The reality is that approach doomed the offense to be so bad that the new WR and the QB of the future can't help the cause. All good GM's need a philosophy that they follow. More important is the ability to assess the team and make the right choices, even if it means compromising on that philosophy. Wolf seems to lack common sense by 100% focusing on offense and choosing to upgrade certain positions while letting others wait until next year. Best case, he will fix the rest of the offense next year and the team will suck because the defense has so many holes which will lead to focusing on defense while the offense degrades. Rinse and repeat. Next year needs to focus on being functional at all positions and use FA or high draft picks to take the team to the next level.

 

[lancerman]

Andy can you explain how you “said it at the time” when you were denying who you were at the time.



Seems like you just didn’t want to be associated with your old reputation. Idk. Maybe my reading comprehension is wrong again and you are actually explaining how you lost your password in these posts. Silly me

@Ring 6 Don't be shy responding now.

 

[Sciz]

I see we’re doing the thing again this year where the Patriots deserve to be three and four deep into their OL depth chart because of their refusal to sign a top player instead.

Somebody is going to have to help me with where to draw the line. When the Chargers drafted Joe Alt to play opposite Pro Bowler Rashawn Slater, did they want to have neither available this past weekend? Did the Cardinals plan for their #3 and #4 right tackles to be major issues in week 3 after signing Jonah Williams for $15M per year? The Dolphins let last year’s C and RG walk, but then also lost their LT and LG to injury. The Browns knew their starting tackles were recovering, but not that they would still be out or that a guard would also be out for the season and a backup tackle would miss a little time.

Including the Pats, that also happens to be 5 of the 7 lowest scoring teams. Should all of these teams also have planned better for the multiple OL injuries, or does having Pro Bowlers and first round picks injured mean they get an “I tried” sticker that forgives them of all of that?

 

[Hugepatsfan]

They made runs at higher profile coaches and offensive players this year but no one was interested because of how bad a situation this is. In light of that, they made an organizational decision to cheap out on this year's team while also at the same time hoping that there'd be enough glimmers of hope through a bad year that they won't be similarly turned down by everyone again next year.

IMO, that's when we can start crucifying Wolf. I understand why he didn't go all out for this year's team and is taking a multi year view, but there's some troubling signs that he might have so totally ignored this year that all the same negativity coaches and players from outside the organization view our situation with will still be there next year. And if that's the case, then this will be a mostly wasted year because it's not like the young QB, receivers or OL are being put in great position to grow as the team is built now.