PostGame Thread OFFICIAL 2024 Patriots @ 49ers Postgame thread

[Ring 6]

I wish I had the optimism I once had.. this offense is abysmal and imo there are no more winnable games.. they will struggle offensively in every game left on the schedule.

And the defense is coming apart at the seams.

 

[Ring 6]

I have not been following the thread very well can someone tell if this is close to accurate.

sb1: BB is **** and this roster is ****, BBs fault
Wozzy: is not BBs fault wolf didn't sign Oli Udoh, Yosh or Peat and relied on Chuks
sb1:BB sucks
Wozzy: does not Wolf sucks

this goes on for about 4 pages. Accurate??

There is plenty of blame for all parties involved. BB did not have a post TFB plan, he let Thuney walk maybe because we brought Karras back and then let him go. Then traded Mason presumably because we had a 6th round Mike Onwenu and drafted Strange. BBs handling of the OL was not good either.

Wolf choose to resign a lot of BBs picks and had a ton of money to make upgrades, (not a strong FA class and good LT's rarely hit the market) but he did not, so this is his roster now. Chuks was not a good signing, but the 3 that Wozzy wanted may not have been better. Wolf woefully neglected the OL because if you are trying to rely on a cheap 1 year contract as a starting OT then bring in more people to compete. He thought Lowe might be alright, but you don't know so you bring in more people to compete. May have spent more money needlessly by bringing in more people but you had to make a concerted effort to fix the OL and he did not to this point. Granted there have been a ton of injuries.

It was time for BB to go, in my mind he sealed his fate when he states that Matty P and Judge were good coaches and could coach any position or some **** like that. BB had gone with inexperienced play callers before but Matt P was not a good DC and Judge was not a good ST coach. Then he hired BoB and would only let him bring in one of his guys to run the offense. BBs ego got in his way. Great coach but had to go.

I like the Mayo and Wolf hires but to this point the have not done a very good job after the 1st month.


TLDR: sb1 and Wozzy are broken records and both Wolf and BB deserve blame for this roster.

We went to the SB 3 times and won twice in 6 years with Matt Patricia as DC. His defenses were ranked 9,10,8,10,1,5

We went to 4 SBs and won 3 in 8 years Judge was ST coach.

Both left because based upon the job they did as coordinators they were given HC jobs.

 

[dliverey44]

We went to the SB 3 times and won twice in 6 years with Matt Patricia as DC. His defenses were ranked 9,10,8,10,1,5

We went to 4 SBs and won 3 in 8 years Judge was ST coach.

Both left because based upon the job they did as coordinators they were given HC jobs.

That is all true and I mispoke I should not have said they were not good because they were here. Patricia was horrid in Philly. It just looked like the defense under Flores was better. My own bias and preference to style of defense. The point stands if they were really good coaches at one thing why would you move them to something they had never done?

 

[signbabybrady]

I hear he's practicing and Mayo said he's ready to go. He would be a welcome site for sore eyes.. yes.. not a Brissett fault the line has been the main issue. Yes... the QB switch I believe is what can get us to look competitive and by seasons end be a team on the Come up..

There's the optimism I'm used to from you.

 

[Ring 6]

That is all true and I mispoke I should not have said they were not good because they were here. Patricia was horrid in Philly. It just looked like the defense under Flores was better. My own bias and preference to style of defense. The point stands if they were really good coaches at one thing why would you move them to something they had never done?

That’s been addressed many times.
Patricia was in a consultant role and judge just came back.

Belichick had a need and all indications were he was making did for a year until BOB was free.
He had 2 high level coaches that he trusted and had won with. It’s not a brand new idea Belichick created that good coaches can coach other positions, it’s a common belief. Belichick said the same thing about judge when he was here before getting the Giants job.

Taking people you trust and have had success with and asking them to plug into a different role is not an unheard of idea. I’ve asked this question a lot of times, and still don’t have an answer, who should he have hired instead?



BTW Patricia was only DC in Philly for a few games after the defense was already broken

 

[VrabelJr]

I don’t know why there’s a contingency on here trying to rewrite history that McDaniels, Judge, or Patricia weren’t top coordinators in the league while on this team. BB didn’t make Patricia OC in 2022 because he’s some crazed lunatic only looking to work with loyalists. He did it because his coaching tree got picked bare year after year and knows that Patricia knows X’s and O’s on both sides of the ball.

Here’s a sobering fact: our offense in 2022 under Patricia was significantly better than this year’s offense so far.

 

[sb1]

sb1: BB is **** and this roster is ****, BBs fault
Wozzy: is not BBs fault wolf didn't sign Oli Udoh, Yosh or Peat and relied on Chuks
sb1:BB sucks
Wozzy: does not Wolf sucks

Actually it's more like this:

We're here because a talentless roster (put together by BB) was inherited by the new regime. Turning this around will take time.

No he didn't! It was someone else's fault. Bill wasn't really GM! Collaboration! I'm so mad my hero is gone so I hope the team never wins another game again!

 

[sb1]

I don’t know why there’s a contingency on here trying to rewrite history that McDaniels, Judge, or Patricia weren’t top coordinators in the league while on this team. BB didn’t make Patricia OC in 2022 because he’s some crazed lunatic only looking to work with loyalists. He did it because his coaching tree got picked bare year after year and knows that Patricia knows X’s and O’s on both sides of the ball.

Here’s a sobering fact: our offense in 2022 under Patricia was significantly better than this year’s offense so far.

Patricia had no idea how to run an offense and it showed. Embarrassing that Bill expected anything other than what we got. The end.

 

[sb1]

I’ve asked this question a lot of times, and still don’t have an answer, who should he have hired instead?

Caley. It shouldn't have been a difficult move to ponder.

People blame the coaching brain drain but it's interesting how that was not nearly as much of an issue before Brady left...

 

[dliverey44]

Actually it's more like this:

Thank for that more accurate summarization

 

[sb1]

Thank for that more accurate summarization

You got the last two parts right anyway. The roster is **** and what was inherited was indeed BB's fault.

 

[Real fan 02]

Patricia had no idea how to run an offense and it showed. Embarrassing that Bill expected anything other than what we got. The end.

My guy sb1.. absolutely agree. They took the jobs because they are loyal to Bill.

 

[signbabybrady]

I don’t know why there’s a contingency on here trying to rewrite history that McDaniels, Judge, or Patricia weren’t top coordinators in the league while on this team. BB didn’t make Patricia OC in 2022 because he’s some crazed lunatic only looking to work with loyalists. He did it because his coaching tree got picked bare year after year and knows that Patricia knows X’s and O’s on both sides of the ball.

Here’s a sobering fact: our offense in 2022 under Patricia was significantly better than this year’s offense so far.

That's not to say it wound up being the right decision but this is exactly why it went down. And I think it could/should have probably worked better but the buy in never occurred and Patricia had a way of rubbing people wrong (see Detroit) but I think had Patricia, Mac, and a few other players handled it better it didn't have to go like it did.

 

[ahmed]

In order to be right you must not have made that claim in:
2016-Goff and Dak
2017-Mahomes and Watson(he was decent until the browns)
2018- Mayfield, Allen, Lamar (Darnold maybe)
2019-Kyler, Danny Dimes, Minshew(OK I will give you that one)
2020-Burrow, Tua, Herbert, and my fave Love Hurts (2 separate guys)


you also got 2021-2023 but still pretty early in some of those careers.

Meant franchise as every high pick QB starts eventually so means nothing.

From 2014, it's Goff, Dak, Mahomes, Watson, Allen, Lamar, Burrow, Tua and Herbert. So 9 in 11 years. Basically 1 a year and none in the last few years. If you go to 2010, you add Newton, Wilson and Luck. 12 in 15 years.

There is a reason 4-5 QBs are picked with hopes of becoming franchise QBs every year. Because most of them fail within 2-4 years.

 

[Ring 6]

Caley. It shouldn't have been a difficult move to ponder.

People blame the coaching brain drain but it's interesting how that was not nearly as much of an issue before Brady left...

Caley was on the staff.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

I wish I had the optimism I once had.. this offense is abysmal and imo there are no more winnable games.. they will struggle offensively in every game left on the schedule.

It’s all about the line. With a good line, JB looks decent and Stevenson looks like an All-Pro. Heck, with a good line, JB is QB2 and the Maye era is underway.

 

[Real fan 02]

It’s all about the line. With a good line, JB looks decent and Stevenson looks like an All-Pro. Heck, with a good line, JB is QB2 and the Maye era is underway.

Oh for certain. I've said personally that whoever is out there needs to be out there for at least 2 games for the line to gel. That's also what's hurting them.

 

[Wozzy]

I think the issues went well beyond his "inability to relate to younger players," though that was the case. In my own curmudgeonly view, the younger players - too many of whom are whiny narcissists - are more to blame than Bill for that problem. I just don't understand though what you are refrring to when you talk of how Bill even toward the end had some of the "best units in the league." That's not my recollection at all.

Last year the Patriot defense ranked 5th in fewest points per drive and had the 4th in lowest scoring percentage in the league... this without Judon, Gonzalez and Marcus Jones. The defense was top five in allowing scoring despite being on the field more than any defense in the league.

It's hard to see because the offense was ranked 32nd worst, dead last... but the offense was Jonathan's pet project, he and Wolf wanted Mac, they both wanted Juju over Meyers, they hired the offensive coaches. The 32nd worst offense was the result of collaboration and a power struggle between the owner and his head coach. The owner ultimately fired the head coach and now we're great... right?

 

[Thelonious]

Last year the Patriot defense ranked 5th in fewest points per drive and had the 4th in lowest scoring percentage in the league... this without Judon, Gonzalez and Marcus Jones. The defense was top five in allowing scoring despite being on the field more than any defense in the league.

It's hard to see because the offense was ranked 32nd worst, dead last... but the offense was Jonathan's pet project, he and Wolf wanted Mac, they both wanted Juju over Meyers, they hired the offensive coaches. The 32nd worst offense was the result of collaboration and a power struggle between the owner and his head coach. The owner ultimately fired the head coach and now we're great... right?

He fired - justifiably - a failed GM and HC. He then failed to put in in place a competent replacement management team, or at least so the evidence to this point would strongly suggest.

 

[sb1]

Belichick had a need and all indications were he was making did for a year until BOB was free.

All as in all none of them...