Damien Woody's take on Maye timetable - its correct.

[Ross12]

Tell that to Andrew Luck, whose career ended prematurely because of bulging disks, frayed tendons and a concussed brain.

Yeah, that sucks and it was the front office's fault for not properly fixing the OL after several years of problems. But was Andrew Luck "ruined" mentally by those hits? You are moving the goalposts here IMO

 

[PatsFan2]

Tell that to Andrew Luck, whose career ended prematurely because of bulging disks, frayed tendons and a concussed brain.

Injuries are a part of the game Wozzy it's a tough man Sport.

 

[mike_usagisan]

OK, but that doesn't really make any sense when replying to my post about how Drake took a lot of hits in college, knows how to take hits, and is fearless. Kind of changing the subject pretty hard.

Regardless, it's not a comparison I feel is valid, here or elsewhere. Jimmy G, Aaron Rodgers, Jordan Love, Patrick Mahomes. "Look at this QB who sat behind a good (3 out of 4 probably HOF level) QB on a playoff team, they turned out good!" Jacoby Brissett is not Tom Brady, Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers or Alex Smith, and the current Patriots are not the '14 Patriots, '05 Packers, '20 Packers, or '17 Chiefs. Sitting behind a bad QB on a bad roster indefinitely doesn't make you a good QB. Those guys watched great QBs be great on great teams.

So the only way a rookie QB can learn by sitting is if he's sitting behind a great QB? I don't agree with that. I'm sure there are things a rookie would learn from those QBs that he probably couldn't from others, but I don't think they're the only ones who can teach a rookie QB something. My assumption is it has less to do with learning from Brissett and more to do with footwork, fundamentals, reading a defense, getting the speed down, etc.

 

[Wozzy]

Injuries are a part of the game Wozzy it's a tough man Sport.

Blocking is a part of the sport as well, but only on competent teams.

And rookie QB’s have no power on where they get drafted… doesn’t mean we should accept incompetence as “normal.”

 

[Wozzy]

Yeah, that sucks and it was the front office's fault for not properly fixing the OL after several years of problems. But was Andrew Luck "ruined" mentally by those hits? You are moving the goalposts here IMO

Having to fly to Oslo to inject stem cells in your neck will ruin you… so yeah.

 

[PatsFan2]

OK, but that doesn't really make any sense when replying to my post about how Drake took a lot of hits in college, knows how to take hits, and is fearless. Kind of changing the subject pretty hard.

Regardless, it's not a comparison I feel is valid, here or elsewhere. Jimmy G, Aaron Rodgers, Jordan Love, Patrick Mahomes. "Look at this QB who sat behind a good (3 out of 4 probably HOF level) QB on a playoff team, they turned out good!" Jacoby Brissett is not Tom Brady, Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers or Alex Smith, and the current Patriots are not the '14 Patriots, '05 Packers, '20 Packers, or '17 Chiefs. Sitting behind a bad QB on a bad roster indefinitely doesn't make you a good QB. Those guys watched great QBs be great on great teams.

I am going add to your Post Ross how can a Young QB Learn from a ****ty QB like Brissett?? Ok So what if Maye Starts in 2025 and completely looks like Mac Jones what then?? Was sitting him beneficial?? Ok we'll give him another year to prove himself way to set a Franchise back.

 

[Clonamery]

OK, but that doesn't really make any sense when replying to my post about how Drake took a lot of hits in college, knows how to take hits, and is fearless. Kind of changing the subject pretty hard.

Regardless, it's not a comparison I feel is valid, here or elsewhere. Jimmy G, Aaron Rodgers, Jordan Love, Patrick Mahomes. "Look at this QB who sat behind a good (3 out of 4 probably HOF level) QB on a playoff team, they turned out good!" Jacoby Brissett is not Tom Brady, Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers or Alex Smith, and the current Patriots are not the '14 Patriots, '05 Packers, '20 Packers, or '17 Chiefs. Sitting behind a bad QB on a bad roster indefinitely doesn't make you a good QB. Those guys watched great QBs be great on great teams.

Ok, your turn to move the goalposts but I said time to develop, never said anything about sitting behind HOF QB's. By seeing mediocre play you can learn what you would do differently or the same in failed plays, etc. Your narrow view of learning is perplexing to me.

 

[Ross12]

Ok, your turn to move the goalposts but I said time to develop, never said anything about sitting behind HOF QB's. By seeing mediocre play you can learn what you would do differently or the same in failed plays, etc. Your narrow view of learning is perplexing to me.

The whole conversation is off the rails when my original post was about how I don't think Maye would be mentally damaged by taking hits because he's already very used to them.

 

[borg]

To me, both lines of argument have merit. Is he developmentally ready?

IMHO, it is glaringly obvious Maye is nowhere near developmentally ready.
He looked like a deer in headlights in garbage time vs the NY JESTs, staring down his receivers, clunky footwork, reverting to "bad habits" the coaching staff has supposedly tried to drill out of him.
Perhaps the brain trust in NE has come to the realization that Maye is more "project" than they originally thought.

I suspect the team isn't talking about the OL not only because it's obvious and goes without saying, but an overt discussion calls into question their whole offseason strategy and gives grist for the mill of pundits and reporters.

This !
Wolf failed in the offseason.
Wolf declared full confidence in the OL at the onset of the season.
And publicly acknowledging OL concerns would be like adding lighter fluid to the fire.

Beyond taking Maye, they haven't done much beyond signing a kicker who can actually make field goals. They extended Stevenson, which I can understand. Then they overpaid to keep a bunch of players on defense for a rebuild whose timeline looks more protracted with every game. I suppose the jury is still out on Wolf, but it feels like amateur hour to me.

I'm still baffled why Wolf & Co chose WR over OT in the 2nd round, even if it meant spending some lower round capital to guarantee success fortifying the OL.
Losing out to Tennessee of all teams in the Calvin Ridley pursuit was more than problematic for NE.
NE's offseason Plan A to address their biggest holes essentially collapsed at that moment and Wolf chose WR in the 2nd over tackle.....and NE's offense is paying the price for that decision.....with no solutions coming until next spring (hopefully).

 

[Ross12]

So the only way a rookie QB can learn by sitting is if he's sitting behind a great QB? I don't agree with that. I'm sure there are things a rookie would learn from those QBs that he probably couldn't from others, but I don't think they're the only ones who can teach a rookie QB something. My assumption is it has less to do with learning from Brissett and more to do with footwork, fundamentals, reading a defense, getting the speed down, etc.

Sure, there must be some. I guess my point is that if they wanted him to sit and develop no matter what, they wouldn't/shouldn't have made a QB of Brissett's caliber the starter. The team is going to get really sick of his play and it will cause locker room issues, which also isn't a good environment for the kid.

 

[mike_usagisan]

Sure, there must be some. I guess my point is that if they wanted him to sit and develop no matter what, they wouldn't/shouldn't have made a QB of Brissett's caliber the starter. The team is going to get really sick of his play and it will cause locker room issues, which also isn't a good environment for the kid.

That's true, but there weren't a ton of better QBs on the market, though. Darnold only looks good now. Dalton is a high-tier backup, same as Brissett. There was Cousins, but no one wanted to pay for a big contract if we were drafting a rookie. Who else should we have gotten?

 

[PatsFan2]

Sure, there must be some. I guess my point is that if they wanted him to sit and develop no matter what, they wouldn't/shouldn't have made a QB of Brissett's caliber the starter. The team is going to get really sick of his play and it will cause locker room issues, which also isn't a good environment for the kid.

We should have been in the running for Jump ball Joe or G Minshew way better Bridge QB's. AVP made a Terrible judgment call with Brissett.

 

[Clonamery]

The whole conversation is off the rails when my original post was about how I don't think Maye would be mentally damaged by taking hits because he's already very used to them.

The NFL is not College Football. That's what Woody is talking about. It's Maye needing to learn the NFL; it's not about the OL.

 

[PatsFan2]

That's true, but there weren't a ton of better QBs on the market, though. Darnold only looks good now. Dalton is a high-tier backup, same as Brissett. There was Cousins, but no one wanted to pay for a big contract if we were drafting a rookie. Who else should we have gotten?

Dalton is way Better sorry also Darnold is on very good Offensive Team.

 

[Ross12]

That's true, but there weren't a ton of better QBs on the market, though. Darnold only looks good now. Dalton is a high-tier backup, same as Brissett. There was Cousins, but no one wanted to pay for a big contract if we were drafting a rookie. Who else should we have gotten?

Very true. I would've personally been fine with getting Mayfield on a 3 year deal and letting Maye develop behind him, but that never became possible. Besides him, I would've probably preferred Gardner Minshew who has far better timing/accuracy than Brissett and can deliver the ball to the receivers much more efficiently. IMO

 

[mike_usagisan]

Very true. I would've personally been fine with getting Mayfield on a 3 year deal and letting Maye develop behind him, but that never became possible. Besides him, I would've probably preferred Gardner Minshew who has far better timing/accuracy than Brissett and can deliver the ball to the receivers much more efficiently. IMO

Yeah, I was in on Mayfield, as well. But I'm not sure the coaches saw Minshew as enough of an upgrade over Brissette, who knew the system and was going to be a great mentor and backup when the time comes.

But to your point, we definitely don't sign Brissett (or Minshew) if Maye is sitting out a full season. The coaching staff must have a plan for him to play sometime soon. And maybe that changed based on seeing him in garbage time?

 

[signbabybrady]

Very true. I would've personally been fine with getting Mayfield on a 3 year deal and letting Maye develop behind him, but that never became possible. Besides him, I would've probably preferred Gardner Minshew who has far better timing/accuracy than Brissett and can deliver the ball to the receivers much more efficiently. IMO

I was of a similar opinion that other than Baker or Kirk Jacoby was as good as any other option. Turns out that was completely wrong.

Getting caught up on a couple pages but I find a couple of examples interesting:

Bringing up Luck who clearly got beat to **** is interesting because as it was pointed out he was mentally able to handle it and still perform he just physically couldn't hold up.

Bringing up Jimmy is interesting as he was very well seasoned and ready to go when he got his chance and it still didn't prevent him from breaking down physically. Which in his case I do think started wearing on him mentally.

All that to say there isn't some perfect blue print for these sorts of things. And all you can do is what you think is best for your QB and team at the time. And with that one could still say play him or sit him plenty of reasons for either.

I just get the feeling that out of fear they are just going to let injury dictate it to them rather than just having some conviction to play him or to sit him.

 

[Clonamery]

I was of a similar opinion that other than Baker or Kirk Jacoby was as good as any other option. Turns out that was completely wrong.

Getting caught up on a couple pages but I find a couple of examples interesting:

Bringing up Luck who clearly got beat to **** is interesting because as it was pointed out he was mentally able to handle it and still perform he just physically couldn't hold up.

Bringing up Jimmy is interesting as he was very well seasoned and ready to go when he got his chance and it still didn't prevent him from breaking down physically. Which in his case I do think started wearing on him mentally.

All that to say there isn't some perfect blue print for these sorts of things. And all you can do is what you think is best for your QB and team at the time. And with that one could still say play him or sit him plenty of reasons for either.

I just get the feeling that out of fear they are just going to let injury dictate it to them rather than just having some conviction to play him or to sit him.

I think they are seeing how his brain works in the classroom and how that reflects in practice like any player. They want him to be in the position to succeed, doesn't have to be perfect.

 

[PatsFan2]

Drake Maye looks good in practice and Patriots aren't looking to add a veteran QB, Jerod Mayo says

The Patriots aren't interested in adding a veteran quarterback because Drake Maye has looked good in practice, Jerod Mayo said.

www.boston.com

Two Times Mayo at it again "watch and learn behind Brissett" how not to Play QB.

 

[mike_usagisan]

I just get the feeling that out of fear they are just going to let injury dictate it to them rather than just having some conviction to play him or to sit him.

Breer made the argument that if they weren't letting injury decide, they would sign another vet QB to be the backup in case of Brissett injury. So I think you might be right there.