OT: Ninkovich on Mac Jones

[sb1]

Lol. Great impression almost spot on I’d also rather listen to Maye talk anyday

 

[Brotherblues]

The way they talk is just Night and Daye.

Gimme Drake 10 times out of 10 and all hours of every Sunday.

 

[reflexblue]

The way they talk is just Night and Daye.

Gimme Drake 10 times out of 10 and all hours of every Sunday.

Wheres the beef, i men video?

 

[TheRainMaker]

What's the history of the beef between these two?

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

lol 10/10 impression

 

[ahmed]

I knew we were in trouble with how he walked in the draft and was certain he was never going to be it from his press conferences, let alone his play.

I said it so many times after games. A leader has to project, carry himself and sound a certain way and he had zero of that. He always sounded so fake and to me it seemed like he said what he thought people would want to hear instead of saying what he was thinking.

Now he could be the nicest person ever but he was easily the fakest Pats player I have ever seen talk.

 

[Pape]

whos this mac jones?

afaik, the pats have only had one Mack, Mini Mack Herron...







/sa - selective amnesia, its a beautiful thing

 

[Ross12]

I knew we were in trouble with how he walked in the draft and was certain he was never going to be it from his press conferences, let alone his play.

I said it so many times after games. A leader has to project, carry himself and sound a certain way and he had zero of that. He always sounded so fake and to me it seemed like he said what he thought people would want to hear instead of saying what he was thinking.

Now he could be the nicest person ever but he was easily the fakest Pats player I have ever seen talk.

Impression I got was that the “real” Mac is kind of a douchey jokester/**** talker, which would be fine for other positions but doesn’t work well for a starting NFL QB. Worked for him in Alabama because he was one cog in the wheel, he had other higher profile guys around him on his squad. Coming to NE that demeanor wasn’t gonna work so he tried to adapt it to what was needed/Bill wanted but it never felt genuine. I’m sure his teammates could see the same thing. Seems like in Jacksonville he is his “real” self and is more comfortable, which is great and all but that’s why he’s the backup QB.

 

[203Pat]

Mac Jones always struck me as the typical spoiled rich kid. His parents have their own law firm and he went to private schools and ended up as a 4 star recruit that started at the nation's premier college football program. Never really faced any adversity until his second season here and he didn't handle it well. Bill put him in a terrible position but Mac didn't do anything to help himself. He sulked and pouted and made things worse. On top of all that there was the ankle twisting and high leg kicks and all that that really solidified his image for me.

 

[A Defiant Goose]

Aint it too early for yall to be some hatin ass mfs?

 

[203Pat]

Aint it too early for yall to be some hatin ass mfs?

I will hate on Mac Jones any chance I get.

 

[A Defiant Goose]

I will hate on Mac Jones any chance I get.

Thats fine but have a coffee first is all I'm sayin

 

[Huckleberry1]

Sam is not going to be happy about this. Ninkovich hating on his Mac Brady.

 

[Steve102]

Mac Jones always struck me as the typical spoiled rich kid. His parents have their own law firm and he went to private schools and ended up as a 4 star recruit that started at the nation's premier college football program. Never really faced any adversity until his second season here and he didn't handle it well. Bill put him in a terrible position but Mac didn't do anything to help himself. He sulked and pouted and made things worse. On top of all that there was the ankle twisting and high leg kicks and all that that really solidified his image for me.

I think he thought he was going to continue to be part of Football U... I mean, Saban to Belichick, winning programs yada yada yada, then he got up here and found out that there's no attaboys and no hugs given out. I think he probably got nurtured more with JMcD than with Fat Matt and Judge the lunatic, who all were just parroting Bill's message. Billy O was probably more tough love, but by then, the damage was done. He didn't have the mental toughness to put up with Bill's ****.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

I think there's two parts to Mac Jones' downfall here.

1) I think he was very physically limited. I don't think he ever had a high ceiling. I think his starting point in terms of mentally understanding the game was pretty far ahead of where most rookies are. But his physical limitations gave defenses an advantage because his lack of mobility or ability to make tough throws allowed them to throw more at him and just physically dominate him.

2) The personnel around him and coaching staff they hired to develop him were subpar. The coaching staff literally didn't have experience on offense in that second year. I really can't put into words how asinine, ridiculous, preposterous, etc. that was. I'm as big a fan of BB as there probably is on this board, I don't think I've ever seen a more obviously and thoroughly terrible decision by a coach than that. It's one thing for a decision to not work out or be misguided but usually there's some logic in it. There was no logic in that. Even with a resume as great as BB's is, it wouldn't have been out of line to fire him solely for that decision because it might be the dumbest coaching move in recent memory. It legitimately pointed to incompetence. And beyond that, the personnel wasn't strong enough to make up for a QB that had limitations. Not even close.

I think Mac was able to see as clearly as we were how dumb the coaching decisions were and the relationship never recovered from that point. Honestly, it might have been for the better because if they had hired an actual offensive coordinator and did a decent job of adding talent around him, I fear he might have ended up Daniel Jones where the team and player were juuuuuuuuuuuuust good enough where you keep the relationship going until it eventually fizzles out like that situaton will.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I think there's two parts to Mac Jones' downfall here.

1) I think he was very physically limited. I don't think he ever had a high ceiling. I think his starting point in terms of mentally understanding the game was pretty far ahead of where most rookies are. But his physical limitations gave defenses an advantage because his lack of mobility or ability to make tough throws allowed them to throw more at him and just physically dominate him.

2) The personnel around him and coaching staff they hired to develop him were subpar. The coaching staff literally didn't have experience on offense in that second year. I really can't put into words how asinine, ridiculous, preposterous, etc. that was. I'm as big a fan of BB as there probably is on this board, I don't think I've ever seen a more obviously and thoroughly terrible decision by a coach than that. It's one thing for a decision to not work out or be misguided but usually there's some logic in it. There was no logic in that. Even with a resume as great as BB's is, it wouldn't have been out of line to fire him solely for that decision because it might be the dumbest coaching move in recent memory. It legitimately pointed to incompetence. And beyond that, the personnel wasn't strong enough to make up for a QB that had limitations. Not even close.

I think Mac was able to see as clearly as we were how dumb the coaching decisions were and the relationship never recovered from that point. Honestly, it might have been for the better because if they had hired an actual offensive coordinator and did a decent job of adding talent around him, I fear he might have ended up Daniel Jones where the team and player were juuuuuuuuuuuuust good enough where you keep the relationship going until it eventually fizzles out like that situaton will.

Right on the money.

 

[upstater1]

I think Mac was able to see as clearly as we were how dumb the coaching decisions were and the relationship never recovered from that point. Honestly, it might have been for the better because if they had hired an actual offensive coordinator and did a decent job of adding talent around him, I fear he might have ended up Daniel Jones where the team and player were juuuuuuuuuuuuust good enough where you keep the relationship going until it eventually fizzles out like that situaton will.

I never buy this idea that QBs are permanently damaged by a bad year.

So, remember, he had Bill O'Brien here in his last year, and he did not play any better.

There was no chance Mac would've ended up like Daniel Jones. He is not the player D. is.

 

[condon84]

I think there's two parts to Mac Jones' downfall here.

1) I think he was very physically limited. I don't think he ever had a high ceiling. I think his starting point in terms of mentally understanding the game was pretty far ahead of where most rookies are. But his physical limitations gave defenses an advantage because his lack of mobility or ability to make tough throws allowed them to throw more at him and just physically dominate him.

2) The personnel around him and coaching staff they hired to develop him were subpar. The coaching staff literally didn't have experience on offense in that second year. I really can't put into words how asinine, ridiculous, preposterous, etc. that was. I'm as big a fan of BB as there probably is on this board, I don't think I've ever seen a more obviously and thoroughly terrible decision by a coach than that. It's one thing for a decision to not work out or be misguided but usually there's some logic in it. There was no logic in that. Even with a resume as great as BB's is, it wouldn't have been out of line to fire him solely for that decision because it might be the dumbest coaching move in recent memory. It legitimately pointed to incompetence. And beyond that, the personnel wasn't strong enough to make up for a QB that had limitations. Not even close.

I think Mac was able to see as clearly as we were how dumb the coaching decisions were and the relationship never recovered from that point. Honestly, it might have been for the better because if they had hired an actual offensive coordinator and did a decent job of adding talent around him, I fear he might have ended up Daniel Jones where the team and player were juuuuuuuuuuuuust good enough where you keep the relationship going until it eventually fizzles out like that situaton will.

Mac could have had Kyle Shanahan as his OC but as soon as adversity happens, he's gonna fold like the mental midget he is.

 

[Guts]

Thats fine but have a coffee first is all I'm sayin

As a professional Chiefs/Rodgers hater, it is never to early to choose this career.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

I think there's two parts to Mac Jones' downfall here.

1) I think he was very physically limited. I don't think he ever had a high ceiling. I think his starting point in terms of mentally understanding the game was pretty far ahead of where most rookies are. But his physical limitations gave defenses an advantage because his lack of mobility or ability to make tough throws allowed them to throw more at him and just physically dominate him.

2) The personnel around him and coaching staff they hired to develop him were subpar. The coaching staff literally didn't have experience on offense in that second year. I really can't put into words how asinine, ridiculous, preposterous, etc. that was. I'm as big a fan of BB as there probably is on this board, I don't think I've ever seen a more obviously and thoroughly terrible decision by a coach than that. It's one thing for a decision to not work out or be misguided but usually there's some logic in it. There was no logic in that. Even with a resume as great as BB's is, it wouldn't have been out of line to fire him solely for that decision because it might be the dumbest coaching move in recent memory. It legitimately pointed to incompetence. And beyond that, the personnel wasn't strong enough to make up for a QB that had limitations. Not even close.

I think Mac was able to see as clearly as we were how dumb the coaching decisions were and the relationship never recovered from that point. Honestly, it might have been for the better because if they had hired an actual offensive coordinator and did a decent job of adding talent around him, I fear he might have ended up Daniel Jones where the team and player were juuuuuuuuuuuuust good enough where you keep the relationship going until it eventually fizzles out like that situaton will.

Add to that hes just not very likeable as its being highlighted in this thread and he didn’t have the IT factor. His teams were terrible in the clutch overall. Other than the buffalo game last year we repeatedly failed to get game winning drives throughout his career. The only close games were won by the defense.

Sure it wasn’t always HIS fault specifically and there were fumbles/drops/missed fgs/etc but when the team as a whole is coming up short when the going gets tough that kind of reflects on the leaders / qb. Thats when i realized 2021 was probably his ceiling. He may be able to start in this league with moderate success in a good situation but hes not taking anyone to a sb barring him being surrounding by an all time caliber team. So while BB still should be criticized for his handling, mac flat out wasn’t the guy. Both can be true.