Draft trade rumor

[Ring 6]

Bill Simmons is saying the Giants offered the patriots this years 1st (6) 2nd and 3rd AND next years 1st 2nd and 3rd for the 3.
5 extra premium picks to move down 3 spots.
Do you think they should have taken it or stuck with Maye?
That could have resulted in 2 top 5 picks in 2025.
Does the fact that Maye is riding the line so picking the Qb this year instead of next seems to not have mattered change your thinking?

 

[Sicilian]

I'd be surprised if that was actually the offer, I tend not to believe these kinds of rumors after the fact. It smells a bit like Bill Polian claiming they had a first round grade on Tom Brady (but for some reason didn't bother taking him in any time in the first five rounds despite what a tremendous value THAT would have been).

But as a hypothetical, I would have had a hard time turning that down personally. That's a LOT of assets for three spots (which again, is why I find it very hard to believe).

The devil's advocate to that is two-fold: One, if the Giants were willing to overpay that much for Maye, chances are they saw something special, and thus so might have the Patriots. And given that 2025's QB class isn't looking like a real good one, even if Maye doesn't play at all this year (which I think he will at some point), he's going to be a much better prospect going into year two than any of the next crop of rookies are going to be.

 

[Triumph]

Bill Simmons is saying the Giants offered the patriots this years 1st (6) 2nd and 3rd AND next years 1st 2nd and 3rd for the 3.
5 extra premium picks to move down 3 spots.
Do you think they should have taken it or stuck with Maye?
That could have resulted in 2 top 5 picks in 2025.
Does the fact that Maye is riding the line so picking the Qb this year instead of next seems to not have mattered change your thinking?

Impossible to know the answer right now.

Maye will play this season.

 

[Family]

Bill Simmons is saying the Giants offered the patriots this years 1st (6) 2nd and 3rd AND next years 1st 2nd and 3rd for the 3.
5 extra premium picks to move down 3 spots.
Do you think they should have taken it or stuck with Maye?
That could have resulted in 2 top 5 picks in 2025.
Does the fact that Maye is riding the line so picking the Qb this year instead of next seems to not have mattered change your thinking?

It's ridiculous that the Giants offered this much, and also ridiculous to have rejected it.

This would have been a Herschel Walker moment.

This thread should be merged with the Bill Bellichick conspiracy theory one.

 

[Ring 6]

It's ridiculous that the Giants offered this much, and also ridiculous to have rejected it.

This would have been a Herschel Walker moment.

This thread should be merged with the Bill Bellichick conspiracy theory one.

Bill Simmons reported it

 

[Grogan14]

All I can say is if it is true Wolfe should be fired.
He would be a fool not to take that.
Drake Maye was never a “can’t miss” prospect.

He has multiple flaws in his game

I think its bs by BS

 

[Rob0729]

There is close to zero chance that happened. That would far greater than any recent trade to move up. Far more than the 49ers gave up to trade up from 12 to get to three just three years ago. My guess it was two firsts and maybe a second and a third at most. Probably less than that.

 

[lancerman]

The Patriots had 3 core needs in this draft. QB, WR, OT.

If the Patriots took deal, they would have

1. Not gotten one of the top 3 QB's picked.

2. Not gotten the generational WR prospect.

3. Not gotten the consensus best lineman.

If you take that deal, you put yourself in a situation where you didn't do one of the three obvious moves to improve the team and still probably feel pressure to use the 6th overall to draft Penix or McCarthy. It was already bad enough that we were so desperate at QB that after years of needing a WR we had to pass up the best WR prospect since Calvin Johnson to not even get the best QB prospect in the draft. You really wanted to pass up Maye for one of the other two..... or worse not believe in them and draft Nabers or Latham and go into next year running back Mac?

 

[lancerman]

There is close to zero chance that happened. That would far greater than any recent trade to move up. Far more than the 49ers gave up to trade up from 12 to get to three just three years ago. My guess it was two firsts and maybe a second and a third at most. Probably less than that.

It's not that different. When you break it down the Giants allegedly offered 2 firsts, 2 seconds and 2 thirds. The 49'ers gave up 2 firsts then instead of a second another 1st, and then a 3rd. In this scenario the big difference is that the Niner's basically said a first was worth more than an extra 2nd and 3rd.

Many people would find that to be a compelling trade off. Especially if you figure the worst case scenario is that 49'ers picks end up low in the 20's. You can use that extra first to move up in a trade and get a blue chip prospect.

 

[Rob0729]

It's not that different. When you break it down the Giants allegedly offered 2 firsts, 2 seconds and 2 thirds. The 49'ers gave up 2 firsts then instead of a second another 1st, and then a 3rd. In this scenario the big difference is that the Niner's basically said a first was worth more than an extra 2nd and 3rd.

Many people would find that to be a compelling trade off. Especially if you figure the worst case scenario is that 49'ers picks end up low in the 20's. You can use that extra first to move up in a trade and get a blue chip prospect.

You are forgetting what their draft positions are. The Giants were picking sixth. The 49ers were picking 12th. The difference in draft positions are the equivalent of a mid to high second round pick. You gotta equate that into the scenario. So before you even look at what each team was offering, the Giants were offering a second round pick more than what the 49ers were offering.

 

[Family]

Bill Simmons reported it

Then it must be so.

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[lancerman]

You are forgetting what their draft positions are. The Giants were picking sixth. The 49ers were picking 12th. The difference in draft positions are the equivalent of a mid to high second round pick. You gotta equate that into the scenario. So before you even look at what each team was offering, the Giants were offering a second round pick more than what the 49ers were offering.

That only matters for that first year though. Knowing for the next two seasons you have an extra first is insanely valuable.

Also you have to look at what you were giving up. In 2021, flipping the third for the 12th had the same tangible impact in the first round. 5 QB's were taken. You were passing up on the third taken QB for either the 4th or 5th. Yes it helps in round 2 of that year.... but then the next year you have no idea what is going to happen with the team. But you know a 1st each of the following two years is valuable no matter what.

 

[Triumph]

Is the 2025 draft QB rich?

All those picks sound great, but it only matters if there is quality players available.

 

[Triumph]

Bill Simmons is saying the Giants offered the patriots this years 1st (6) 2nd and 3rd AND next years 1st 2nd and 3rd for the 3.
5 extra premium picks to move down 3 spots.
Do you think they should have taken it or stuck with Maye?
That could have resulted in 2 top 5 picks in 2025.
Does the fact that Maye is riding the line so picking the Qb this year instead of next seems to not have mattered change your thinking?

Are you suggesting that Project 2028 was possible?

 

[Ring 6]

Are you suggesting that Project 2028 was possible?

I’m asking what people think

 

[Rob0729]

That only matters for that first year though. Knowing for the next two seasons you have an extra first is insanely valuable.

Also you have to look at what you were giving up. In 2021, flipping the third for the 12th had the same tangible impact in the first round. 5 QB's were taken. You were passing up on the third taken QB for either the 4th or 5th. Yes it helps in round 2 of that year.... but then the next year you have no idea what is going to happen with the team. But you know a 1st each of the following two years is valuable no matter what.

But you also have to remember that a first in two years is the same value as a second next year. So let's break it down:

Draft position round one first year: 2nd round value for Giants
1st Round pick in year two: Equal
Second round pick in year two and 1st round pick in year three: Equal
Third round picks in year two: Equal

So we have already used up the 49ers picks and the Giants gave up the equivalent of a second round pick more. And the Giants are still were reportedly offering a second and third round pick this year. So the Giants offered the equivalent of two seconds and a third more than the 49ers gave up.

And don't forget the 49ers were a Super Bowl contender with a starting QB when they made this trade. Their future picks were almost guaranteed to be worse draft positions than thee Giants' future draft picks.

 

[EMpats]

There is close to no way this is true. Hard knocks with the giants showed Shein and Wolfe’s conversation the day of the draft about “next year’s one, and something else” and Wolfe said no. There was absolutely no discussion about that “something else” being four extra premium draft picks. I’m calling BS.

 

[Family]

But you also have to remember that a first in two years is the same value as a second next year. So let's break it down:

Draft position round one first year: 2nd round value for Giants
1st Round pick in year two: Equal
Second round pick in year two and 1st round pick in year three: Equal
Third round picks in year two: Equal

So we have already used up the 49ers picks and the Giants gave up the equivalent of a second round pick more. And the Giants are still were reportedly offering a second and third round pick this year. So the Giants offered the equivalent of two seconds and a third more than the 49ers gave up.

And don't forget the 49ers were a Super Bowl contender with a starting QB when they made this trade. Their future picks were almost guaranteed to be worse draft positions than thee Giants' future draft picks.

You don't need such complex math.

The Giants basically offered up their draft for two years in exchange for one #3 overall player.

 

[Uptown]

Maye.

 

[Triumph]

I’m asking what people think

In the other thread that you created, you're upset that Kraft is not spending to the hilt and doing everything to win now.

In this thread, you're a proponent of trading away the top pick used for Pats biggest need in exchange for draft picks in 2025.