Maye must play

[whybob]

If Maye won the job. Start him. Don't understand protecting him by not playing him. What message does that send to the other QB's (your Cannon Fodder?) and also the Offensive line (Your terrible and can't be trusted?). I just don't see how a team and coaching staff can operate under that mind set. I don't want to see anyone get hurt but Holy smokes this is the NFL...Why not start by protecting them all by running the Ball effectively

 

[rochrist]

People weren't saying Mac sucked the last few games of 2021 though. The whole off season to 2022 was people saying "we have the best rookie of the last draft class and he should take a step forward his sophmore year and we should be back to being in the mix".

This is revisionist history. Plenty of people were waving flags and setting off alarms over his close to the 21 season.

 

[Kasmir]

No. It was because they were playing in hurricane force winds. It didn't irreparably damage his confidence. People are looking for that one "ah-ha!" moment. There isn't one. His breakdown was a combination of things outlined in Lancerman's post.

The contrast with Josh Allen was enormous. By not letting him throw at all it signaled to the league that Belichick didn't trust his arm and would be calling plays accordingly.

And I'm not saying this was the key event, just a contributor to Mac's eventual catastrophic decline in self confidence, especially since I think defenses challenged him more after that, and he didn't have the wide receiver talent to keep them honest deep. Not that Mac can be blamed for Buffalo not punting in the playoff game.

My guess would be his painful injury in 2022 occurring after he was widely labelled as a dirty player was the key contributor. He certainly played scared after that. Terrible coaching and weak talent didn't help obviously but Mac's response to that challenge was disappointing.

But as I also said, I think by disposition he is prone to panic when things break down and that's a fatal flaw for an NFL QB, especially one with his limited physicality.

We'll see if he can tame that demon. I doubt it.

 

[KCSVEN]

If Maye won the job. Start him. Don't understand protecting him by not playing him. What message does that send to the other QB's (your Cannon Fodder?) and also the Offensive line (Your terrible and can't be trusted?). I just don't see how a team and coaching staff can operate under that mind set. I don't want to see anyone get hurt but Holy smokes this is the NFL...Why not start by protecting them all by running the Ball effectively

All IMHO which means so much to so few lol:

They will start Jacoby I think if Mayo was the only voice in the room it’d be Maye as Mayo wants to prove he can win as a coach and AVP and Wolfe live in Packer land and stuck in there old ways.

From my view with my view of what Maye is :

If defense plays as well as last year than you have a quandary. Maye will take a few games to get used to the NFL defenses. You can get those done in the first four games or you can do that in the second set of four games or the second half of the year

After that he’s going to win more games than he loses so if you play him from the start he wins 7 games and you draft 12th? Or you start Jacoby for a bunch of games and then bring Maye in and hopefully win only four games and draft in the top five or six.

Do you have much to gain? Maye is going to be a superstar QB whether he plays the entire season or part of it but either way he’s not, probably not. getting you to the playoffs this year so might as well play him enough to get him ready to take you to the playoffs next year when you get the top tackle or top wide receiver in the draft whichever is the most needed and add free agents to that.

 

[Zuma]

Make your predictions! Mayo will name which QB as the starter?

I'm going with Maye.

Brissett

 

[Ring 6]

No. It was because they were playing in hurricane force winds. It didn't irreparably damage his confidence. People are looking for that one "ah-ha!" moment. There isn't one. His breakdown was a combination of things outlined in Lancerman's post.

His “breakdown” was because Josh McDaniel protected him and he played with a defense that allowed 13 or fewer points in 8 of his 10 wins.
When defenses realized he couldn’t read coverage and was instructed to dump the ball off, and when his defense wasn’t wining games for him, he was exposed.
He was the exact same guy going 1-4 down the stretch in 21 as he was going 6-8 in 22 and 2-9 in 23. He deteriorated further as he realized he couldn’t play and then tried to make big plays he didn’t have the ability to.

 

[Ring 6]

All IMHO which means so much to so few lol:

They will start Jacoby I think if Mayo was the only voice in the room it’d be Maye as Mayo wants to prove he can win as a coach and AVP and Wolfe live in Packer land and stuck in there old ways.

From my view with my view of what Maye is :

If defense plays as well as last year than you have a quandary. Maye will take a few games to get used to the NFL defenses. You can get those done in the first four games or you can do that in the second set of four games or the second half of the year

After that he’s going to win more games than he loses so if you play him from the start he wins 7 games and you draft 12th? Or you start Jacoby for a bunch of games and then bring Maye in and hopefully win only four games and draft in the top five or six.

Do you have much to gain? Maye is going to be a superstar QB whether he plays the entire season or part of it but either way he’s not, probably not. getting you to the playoffs this year so might as well play him enough to get him ready to take you to the playoffs next year when you get the top tackle or top wide receiver in the draft whichever is the most needed and add free agents to that.

A) the defense isn’t close to what it was last year
B) this team isn’t winning 7 games.

 

[sb1]

A) the defense isn’t close to what it was last year

You’re saying that like the defense was great last year. It wasn’t. I’d have a tough time calling it above average.

I also expect the coaching on both sides of the ball to be better than the dysfunctional mess the last couple of seasons.

 

[sb1]

His “breakdown” was because Josh McDaniel protected him and he played with a defense that allowed 13 or fewer points in 8 of his 10 wins.
When defenses realized he couldn’t read coverage and was instructed to dump the ball off, and when his defense wasn’t wining games for him, he was exposed.
He was the exact same guy going 1-4 down the stretch in 21 as he was going 6-8 in 22 and 2-9 in 23. He deteriorated further as he realized he couldn’t play and then tried to make big plays he didn’t have the ability to.

Funny what happens to a young QB when his coaching reeks.

He also had a 87 rating from December on in 2021. That’s what I’d call average not worse. The idea that he fell off a cliff is overstated by a lot. He was a rookie going into his sophomore season and really needed the coaching he didn’t get here to break through.

 

[borg]

I also expect the coaching on both sides of the ball to be better than the dysfunctional mess the last couple of seasons.

I did not know the D coaching the last couple seasons was "a dysfunctional mess"

 

[sb1]

I did not know the D coaching the last couple seasons was "a dysfunctional mess"

Now you do.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

In 2022 is where it all when bad. At least Josh could adjust better to what defenses were doing to Mac. I just believe it would had been better for Mac's career to have had josh.. by three time Billy O came back Mac was mentally checked out.

Do we want a QB who’s checked out mentally to be the franchise guy?

 

[KCSVEN]

A) the defense isn’t close to what it was last year
B) this team isn’t winning 7 games.

A) Nobody knows that yet but you might be right
B) You underestimate how good Maye is
C) if you are right on A then You are right on B

 

[Ring 6]

A) Nobody knows that yet but you might be right
B) You underestimate how good Maye is
C) if you are right on A then You are right on B

The defense has lost to many players and its brain.
A role player, game plan defense can’t overcome that.

I like Maye a lot and think he should play every down this year but this team is terrible and as a rookie there is no way he can carry it to more than a handful of wins.
Hopefully he will excite Kraft so next year we can have a full team instead of banking 50 million of player cost and trying to win with 2/3 of a team.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

All IMHO which means so much to so few lol:

They will start Jacoby I think if Mayo was the only voice in the room it’d be Maye as Mayo wants to prove he can win as a coach and AVP and Wolfe live in Packer land and stuck in there old ways.

From my view with my view of what Maye is :

If defense plays as well as last year than you have a quandary. Maye will take a few games to get used to the NFL defenses. You can get those done in the first four games or you can do that in the second set of four games or the second half of the year

After that he’s going to win more games than he loses so if you play him from the start he wins 7 games and you draft 12th? Or you start Jacoby for a bunch of games and then bring Maye in and hopefully win only four games and draft in the top five or six.

Do you have much to gain? Maye is going to be a superstar QB whether he plays the entire season or part of it but either way he’s not, probably not. getting you to the playoffs this year so might as well play him enough to get him ready to take you to the playoffs next year when you get the top tackle or top wide receiver in the draft whichever is the most needed and add free agents to that.

I think what Mayo's saying when he says Drake outplayed Jacoby but not committing to Drake is he doesn't really know if he wants Drake learning how read NFL defenses in real time with the OL they have whereas Jacoby with his experience can probably handle it better at the beginning of the year while Drake gets to watch and process from the sidelines for a while. He'll be in eventually.

 

[KCSVEN]

I think what Mayo's saying when he says Drake outplayed Jacoby but not committing to Drake is he doesn't really know if he wants Drake learning how read NFL defenses in real time with the OL they have whereas Jacoby with his experience can probably handle it better at the beginning of the year while Drake gets to watch and process from the sidelines for a while. He'll be in eventually.

I agree but not what they are going to do IMO and I think in the long run won’t matter to his development and will get a better draft pick. He should play enough games to start 2025 in a good spot either way.

Maye has some things to work on, plenty of teaching moments in the last exhibition game, unclear how he learns the things he needs in practice when you have no concerns on being hit. But, I guess he learns then starting week 5-8 instead of week 1

They should take the rookie lumps knowing his skill level will still make him more productive than Jacoby but seems it is Jacoby the way they have been talking.

 

[Real fan 02]

Do we want a QB who’s checked out mentally to be the franchise guy?

Well.. alot transpired behind the scenes that factored into that.

 

[Urgent]

So Mayo announced Brissett as the starter…

 

[Ring 6]

So Mayo announced Brissett as the starter…

Very disappointing at many levels.
Maybe the worst is Mayo got up and told us what he stands for, and then didn’t stand for it.
“It will be a competition, that’s what we are about, we owe it to the players to compete for their job and the best man plays”
“Drake Maye outplayed Jacoby brissett”
“Jacoby brissett will be our starter this year”

 

[PatsFan2]

Very disappointing at many levels.
Maybe the worst is Mayo got up and told us what he stands for, and then didn’t stand for it.
“It will be a competition, that’s what we are about, we owe it to the players to compete for their job and the best man plays”
“Drake Maye outplayed Jacoby brissett”
“Jacoby brissett will be our starter this year”

Bait and switch Mayo good thing Brissett is fragile he will have to play Maye out of necessity.