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Wolf on the OL: I *Think* We Have the Pieces to Compete... Oy Vey...

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If he's gonna lie and talk stupid ****, he ought to resume keeping his yap shut.
I think Wolf frankly doesn't know how to evaluate offensive linemen. He should let someone else do it and make draft picks for him, Jonathan should take the draft away and provide more collaboration. Let the offensive line coaches have a shot at it.

Last night's game against Washington pretty much solidified my offseason take that they absolutely screwed up in their attempt to fix the offensive line. It could have been a really easy fix.

Buy better players in free agency, draft the much bigger need at offensive tackle in the second round instead of getting blinded by shiny hood ornaments. Simple... now we're stuck watching a team too scared to start their rookie QB because he'll get hurt.
 
We need to trust the staff to coach up Maye. After all, this is their #1 priority.
I completely have faith in AVP to develop Maye and I feel pretty justified because Maye has improved. Maybe I am a glass half full kinda person because I think that Lowe is going to be serviceable at LT.
 
I completely have faith in AVP to develop Maye and I feel pretty justified because Maye has improved. Maybe I am a glass half full kinda person because I think that Lowe is going to be serviceable at LT.
Lowe stinks to high heaven... what the hell are we doing? We also have media members telling us the line didn't look that bad... they did and have. They got slaughtered in joint practices with the Eagles, they looked horrible in every preseason game.

These guys aren't magically going to improve and look great... they just aren't. We can hope for improved execution and they just don't look as bad... but that is what the glass half full result looks like. Lowe and Okorafor have been in the league for years, if they were magically going to become good players... we would have at least seen glimpses of it.

They had a chance to sign good free agents this offseason, Oli Udoh, Andrus Peat, Yosh Nijman... Wolf signed stiffs instead. Have we already forgotten what good football looks like, just years removed from the greatest dynasty in football history. Let's not settle for incompetence and "bad" as fans. Let's not forget what good or great looks like.
 
I think Wolf frankly doesn't know how to evaluate offensive linemen. He should let someone else do it and make draft picks for him, Jonathan should take the draft away and provide more collaboration. Let the offensive line coaches have a shot at it.

Last night's game against Washington pretty much solidified my offseason take that they absolutely screwed up in their attempt to fix the offensive line. It could have been a really easy fix.

Buy better players in free agency, draft the much bigger need at offensive tackle in the second round instead of getting blinded by shiny hood ornaments. Simple... now we're stuck watching a team too scared to start their rookie QB because he'll get hurt.
I think that is where we are. The O-line situation is really surprisingly bad, and over the last few years seems only to get worse. Maybe they knew there were two huge problems - no O-line, no QB - decided they could not address both in one year, decided the best decision - given the draft options - was to address the QB first. But the O-line (possibly the WR situation) is now SO bad that they can't safely and properly develop their new QB. If that's the case, I guess the first priority has to be to keep the new QB safe and confident, by putting the sacrificial lamb Brisket out there this year. It's a pretty ugly plan - not exactly a thing of elegance - but I guess we have to be honest and accept that that is where we are. I'll still enjoy the season, looking to see which of the various new players will work out. It's like it was being a Pats fan pre-dynasty, and it was sort of fun in those days to follow the efforts at building the team up. Hopefully it won't take twenty years or something this time.
 
Last night's game against Washington pretty much solidified my offseason take that they absolutely screwed up in their attempt to fix the offensive line. It could have been a really easy fix.
Yes, some posters are much better than professionals at evaluating players and being able to build a team. it is so easy, but they prefer their own lives rather than working for professional teams, making the choices.
 
I think that is where we are. The O-line situation is really surprisingly bad, and over the last few years seems only to get worse. Maybe they knew there were two huge problems - no O-line, no QB - decided they could not address both in one year, decided the best decision - given the draft options - was to address the QB first. But the O-line (possibly the WR situation) is now SO bad that they can't safely and properly develop their new QB. If that's the case, I guess the first priority has to be to keep the new QB safe and confident, by putting the sacrificial lamb Brisket out there this year. It's a pretty ugly plan - not exactly a thing of elegance - but I guess we have to be honest and accept that that is where we are. I'll still enjoy the season, looking to see which of the various new players will work out. It's like it was being a Pats fan pre-dynasty, and it was sort of fun in those days to follow the efforts at building the team up. Hopefully it won't take twenty years or something this time.
The notion that they couldn't have taken Maye and improved the offensive line is simply false. I already ran through this simulation.

Remove: Chukwuma Okorafor (3.1M), Vederian Lowe (0), Jaylin Polk

Add: Oli Udoh (2M), Andrus Peat (450K), Patrick Paul

Difference in dollars: 650K guaranteed saved... they literally spent less money in this scenario.

This is a very good offensive line. Udoh and Peat can play tackle or guard well. Paul might be too good to sit, he is eating up the competition in preseason. Either way, you have tackles and can block. Maye is good enough to start... fine, you have a line to protect him. Versus now where Maye looks good enough to start and they're literally afraid he'll get hurt.

This same team with a line that looks like this instead is a very good team:

LT – Oli Udoh, Patrick Paul, Calvin Anderson,
LG – Sidy Sow, Layden Robinson,
C – David Andrews, Nick Leverett,
RG – Michael Onwenu, Antonio Mafi,
RT – Andrus Peat, Caedan Wallace, Kellen Diesch,

They screwed up the offensive line build this offseason. This line ^ costs the same as the one they have. This is a line they'd have no reservations playing Maye behind.
 
Yes, some posters are much better than professionals at evaluating players and being able to build a team. it is so easy, but they prefer their own lives rather than working for professional teams, making the choices.
You're just salty I told you this offseason that the offensive line moves Wolf was making were dumb and now the chickens have come home to roost.

Just say you were wrong and thank me for my sound analysis months ago.

Also many of us aren't the sons of famous GM's or coaches... so no, many of us don't have these jobs.
 
REPEAT TEN TIMES
This team isn't a 2024 playoff team.
This team isn't trying to be a 2024 playoff team.
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Yes, we could and still should spend more to improve the OL. We need to protect the QB. But make no mistake, that reality doesn't affect 2024 much.

I think that they did a fine job for eventually building the 2026 OL.

They should have spent a bit more on 2024, even knowing that money wouldn't help the future more.

The staff counted on Okorafor and Anderson to be our LT's, with Lowe as Plan 2. They needed to do better.
 

He might not come back this season, even if he does David Andrews is still starting at C if healthy.

But they would have a better guard option than Layden Robinson, who looks like he needs a year in the strength and conditioning program to really contribute. They could keep Onwenu outside and slide Strange back inside to guard. If he's healthy, they're automatically better.
 
REPEAT TEN TIMES
This team isn't a 2024 playoff team.
This team isn't trying to be a 2024 playoff team.
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Yes, we could and still should spend more to improve the OL. We need to protect the QB. But make no mistake, that reality doesn't affect 2024 much.

I think that they did a fine job for eventually building the 2026 OL.

They should have spent a bit more on 2024, even knowing that money wouldn't help the future more.

The staff counted on Okorafor and Anderson to be our LT's, with Lowe as Plan 2. They needed to do better.
"Wait until next year" is the loser's lament. Let's not become the Jets, Browns and Giants. Play to win every year.

And if Wolf screwed up his offseason decisions this year, what makes you think he'll make better decisions next year?
 
"Wait until next year" is the loser's lament. Let's not become the Jets, Browns and Giants. Play to win every year.

And if Wolf screwed up his offseason decisions this year, what makes you think he'll make better decisions next year?
Yes, you and andy think that Wolf was terrible, truly awful because of his decisions at LT.
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To be blunt, if Okorafor were a better choice as a starting LT, we would be having this discussion. That is ONE decision.

The rest is the normal belief by posters that they are better GM's than the one we have.
 
Yes, you and andy think that Wolf was terrible, truly awful because of his decisions at LT.
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To be blunt, if Okorafor were a better choice as a starting LT, we would be having this discussion. That is ONE decision.

The rest is the normal belief by posters that they are better GM's than the one we have.
Not just left tackle... both tackles. Lowe and Okorafor stink. They also could have better free agents than Michael Jordan and Nick Leverett who got abused yesterday.

Like I said months ago with you telling I was wrong, sign Oli Udoh and Andrus Peat instead and you have two guys who can start at tackle immediately.

Draft Patrick Paul or Kingsley Sumiata in the second round and now you have a stud tackle waiting in the wings. Udoh and Peat can both also slide inside to play guard. This line is better across the board and saves almost a million dollars in guaranteed money... it was cheaper.

Also stop propping these GM's up like their titles mean they know what they're doing. Some of these guys are boobs and will be fired before the ink dries on their contracts. They're not all Bill Walsh... many of them are Matt Millen. Some of them are idiots and the result of nepotism.
 
The notion that they couldn't have taken Maye and improved the offensive line is simply false. I already ran through this simulation.

Remove: Chukwuma Okorafor (3.1M), Vederian Lowe (0), Jaylin Polk

Add: Oli Udoh (2M), Andrus Peat (450K), Patrick Paul

Difference in dollars: 650K guaranteed saved... they literally spent less money in this scenario.

This is a very good offensive line. Udoh and Peat can play tackle or guard well. Paul might be too good to sit, he is eating up the competition in preseason. Either way, you have tackles and can block. Maye is good enough to start... fine, you have a line to protect him. Versus now where Maye looks good enough to start and they're literally afraid he'll get hurt.

This same team with a line that looks like this instead is a very good team:

LT – Oli Udoh, Patrick Paul, Calvin Anderson,
LG – Sidy Sow, Layden Robinson,
C – David Andrews, Nick Leverett,
RG – Michael Onwenu, Antonio Mafi,
RT – Andrus Peat, Caedan Wallace, Kellen Diesch,

They screwed up the offensive line build this offseason. This line ^ costs the same as the one they have. This is a line they'd have no reservations playing Maye behind.
Oli Udoh and Andrus Peat have both struggled this preseason. Peat is on the roster bubble by some accounts, and 30 years old. I would have liked Patrick Paul at 37 too, but Polk has looked good in camp also, so the jury is still out on that one.
 
Oli Udoh and Andrus Peat have both struggled this preseason. Peat is on the roster bubble by some accounts, and 30 years old. I would have liked Patrick Paul at 37 too, but Polk has looked good in camp also, so the jury is still out on that one.
Udoh is pushing Trevor Penning for the starting right tackle job.


Another player I mentioned this offseason was Yosh Nijman, he just came off the PUP and began practicing. If any one of these guys shake free the Patriots had better be on the phone.
 
Udoh is pushing Trevor Penning for the starting right tackle job.


Another player I mentioned this offseason was Yosh Nijman, he just came off the PUP and began practicing. If any one of these guys shake free the Patriots had better be on the phone.
PFF ranked the Saints dead last in their Oline rankings, so that’s not an achievement. At least Okorafor locked up a starting role.
 
The notion that they couldn't have taken Maye and improved the offensive line is simply false. I already ran through this simulation.

Remove: Chukwuma Okorafor (3.1M), Vederian Lowe (0), Jaylin Polk

Add: Oli Udoh (2M), Andrus Peat (450K), Patrick Paul

Difference in dollars: 650K guaranteed saved... they literally spent less money in this scenario.

This is a very good offensive line. Udoh and Peat can play tackle or guard well. Paul might be too good to sit, he is eating up the competition in preseason. Either way, you have tackles and can block. Maye is good enough to start... fine, you have a line to protect him. Versus now where Maye looks good enough to start and they're literally afraid he'll get hurt.

This same team with a line that looks like this instead is a very good team:

LT – Oli Udoh, Patrick Paul, Calvin Anderson,
LG – Sidy Sow, Layden Robinson,
C – David Andrews, Nick Leverett,
RG – Michael Onwenu, Antonio Mafi,
RT – Andrus Peat, Caedan Wallace, Kellen Diesch,

They screwed up the offensive line build this offseason. This line ^ costs the same as the one they have. This is a line they'd have no reservations playing Maye behind.
They could have, perhaps, but they didn't. Some people see either/ors where both/ands are possible. Such people also tend to form a plan then stick to it, driven by anxiety or by fear of having to make a more complex or bold decision. I think we see that in the present leadership group. We see it in their foolish insistence on sticking, blindly, to their over-timid approach to Mayeis development. Anxious in the face of having to make decisions, their relief over having decided to draft Maye blinded them to what the next step could be. I suppose they might say they felt that their second priority, after "getting their QB," was, given the nature of the draft class, to try to give the new QB "weapons" by focusing on drafting WR's rather than O-linemen. In my mind, that was a foolish decision as to their priorities. A young QB can't make USE of whatever weapons they might provide if he only gets a second and a half for the inexperienced receivers to get open and for him to find them. The fundamental problem is that there seem to be a regime staffed at every level with rank amateurs, chosen apparently for how "nice" they are, crippled by the rigid thinking newbies tend to in challenging jobs. I know it's early in the regime, but to this point the jury is out on the HC, who seems almost pathologically fiddly in his thinking, and the GM, who just seems utterly incompetent.
 
Yes, you and andy think that Wolf was terrible, truly awful because of his decisions at LT.
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To be blunt, if Okorafor were a better choice as a starting LT, we would be having this discussion. That is ONE decision.

The rest is the normal belief by posters that they are better GM's than the one we have.
I think he was terrible because of ALL of his cumulative decisions.
I am hoping Kraft gave him a budget to not spend 40-50 million of the cap, because if this wasn’t an austerity budget off season and wolf really thinks this is how he is supposed to build a team we are doomed.
 
Yes, some posters are much better than professionals at evaluating players and being able to build a team. it is so easy, but they prefer their own lives rather than working for professional teams, making the choices.
So people posting in a message board shouldn’t have opinions? We should all take turns saying “if Wolf did it must be right, he is a professional”?
 
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