Patriots about to make a BIG mistake?

[Ring 6]

No question he should play. Maybe not immediately if they don’t think he’s ready week 1 but Brisett isn’t winning us any playoff games

If you are going to play him at mid season why not use the first half of the season to get him experience so that by then he is better?

 

[Ring 6]

Because you can learn without being on the field and he has the rest of his career to get on the field and see live action. When you enlist in the military you get trained on your specific job for weeks if not months before you get to your first duty station. Then you get to watch the guys do the job under real world circumstances, ask why they did what they did, what their thought process was, and eventually you start doing it yourself. It's the same concept here. He can get into a rhythm and get used to the week-to-week schedule/life as an NFL QB. Learn how they study film. Learn how to prepare for a real game. Do all of the things that go into being an NFL professional outside of 1PM to 4PM on Sundays. Hopefully he can figure those things out first for a few weeks and then get live fire thrown at him

He can learn everything he learns by sitting on the bench if he is playing and gain experience and ramp up the learning.
Otherwise all you are doing is delaying to say you delayed.

 

[A Defiant Goose]

He can learn everything he learns by sitting on the bench if he is playing and gain experience and ramp up the learning.
Otherwise all you are doing is delaying to say you delayed.

Well not necessarily.

For some people it's easier to learn concept A and concept B and tie it altogether into concept C, rather than try and learn all 3 at once. Do you think there is nothing to be learned outside of the start and end of a game? I doubt you think that, so the point is why can't he learn other things that go into being a good NFL QB and learn the on-the-field live scenario stuff later? It's (at most) 17 weeks of what could be a 15 year career if we hit on him. If we missed we find out by year 3. I'm not really seeing the need to get him on the field ASAP and get precious snap counts when he has plenty of other aspects he could develop in in the meantime.

 

[Fuzz]

I have not watched preseason in years and this year was no exception. Social media was blowing up with Maye performance and then I looked up the numbers and nothing special at all - in fact less than average.

I agree they are trying to build the narrative to start Maye which would be a bad idea. He will start at some point though this year if we are less than .500.

Yeah, how dare they judge a performance by actually watching it. If only they were as well informed as you are by reading a stat line.

 

[Ring 6]

Well not necessarily.

For some people it's easier to learn concept A and concept B and tie it altogether into concept C, rather than try and learn all 3 at once. Do you think there is nothing to be learned outside of the start and end of a game? I doubt you think that, so the point is why can't he learn other things that go into being a good NFL QB and learn the on-the-field live scenario stuff later? It's (at most) 17 weeks of what could be a 15 year career if we hit on him. If we missed we find out by year 3. I'm not really seeing the need to get him on the field ASAP and get precious snap counts when he has plenty of other aspects he could develop in in the meantime.

He didn’t just start playing football last week.

Again, everything he can learn by sitting he can learn while starting IN ADDITION TO getting experience and actually learning it for real by playing.

The NEED is that he is the franchise now, and we need to do what is best for his development. Losing 15 games instead of 14 is an acceptable sacrifice to get him experience and accelerate his growth.

Let me put it a different way.

He has to both grow in knowing what to do and how to do it.
Call it classroom vs field.
Field learning doesn’t prevent classroom learning, it enhances it.

 

[KCSVEN]

If Maye had turned in the performance Nix did in his last game everyone who be raving about him.

I know, Nix didn’t even do anything, but throw the open receivers. Do you know the other team started their 7th cornerback on the depth chart?

It was basically a light walk-through, completely meaningless game and meaningless stats

kind of looks like they’ve just decided to let Jacoby lose the first four games before they put Drake in, the way Alex Van Pelt was talking today, maybe it’s just a smokescreen but it doesn’t seem like it, seems like the made up their mind a long time ago and really haven’t changed it regardless of what Maye does and what Jacoby does

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

One of the major problems, if not THE major problem, of starting a rookie QB was playing against BB. Every time the Patriots were to face a rookie QB, you just knew he was going to be slaughtered.

The BB hazard is no longer there, so the world is a little safer for rookie QBs. Bo Nix is starting, ahem, but I suspect that Brissett will start and get injured or have issues connecting with our lead-footed WRs. Then we will see Maye, and yikes, I will hold my breath on every down. I have this horrible feeling that we will be on QB3 by the end of the season, although in our case it would be very entertaining.

I don't anything about Denver, but Bo Nix may be safer with their line and WRs

 

[A Defiant Goose]

He didn’t just start playing football last week.

Again, everything he can learn by sitting he can learn while starting IN ADDITION TO getting experience and actually learning it for real by playing.

The NEED is that he is the franchise now, and we need to do what is best for his development. Losing 15 games instead of 14 is an acceptable sacrifice to get him experience and accelerate his growth.

Let me put it a different way.

He has to both grow in knowing what to do and how to do it.
Call it classroom vs field.
Field learning doesn’t prevent classroom learning, it enhances it.

Right, but he did just become an NFL professional quarterback like 3 months ago. It's the same thing as any other career when you change jobs or get promoted. Things are different, and no matter your expertise level you could always use some co-pilot work before becoming "the guy".

He can learn in the classroom then learn on the field. Why force both? What's the difference in becoming proficient in every-day work for a few weeks before taking on more responsibility on the field vs just trying to do it all right out the gate? For what it's worth, I don't really think it'll make or break his career one way or the other. It's just, why not take things in stride and become proficient at other aspects little by little instead of taking a fire hydrant to the mouth if the choice is there?

 

[PP2]

Lost in that 6-of-11 for 47 yards is the fact that he went 5-of-7 (71.4%) in the first half with his 47yds. He went 1-of-4 for 0 yards in the second half with two throwaways.

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After watching it, one of those second-half incompletions was obviously the drop on the deep ball to Baker, which would have been an unreal play had they completed it.



So there's definitely some context there.

Still, when it comes to him being out there to start the season, I thought Chris Hogan summed it up perfectly in the thing I wrote today:

“Dude, it’s the fricking preseason,” said Hogan. “He’s seeing cover three, cover two, cover four, man, there’s no multiple blitzes, man/zone, we’re not talking about that. Week one, that s**t is coming, right? And if you put Drake out there, it’s going to be a fricking field day of blitzes just to see if he can handle it. And you don’t want to do that to the kid.”

“Let Jacoby handle it. He’s seen it. And if Jacoby messes up, ‘All right, let’s go back and watch film,’ and Drake, again, mental reps are huge. Like, see it. ‘All right, they rolled here, they did this, they went from man to zone, they sent the corner,’ you’ve got to be able to see all this in real-time. And like you said, we don’t want to do week one and week two and then have to yank him.”

As much as I'd like to see Maye, I would have to agree with him and think it makes sense for Maye to sit a few weeks and see in real-time what he'll be dealing with so that he's a little more ready when his time does finally come.

Couldn't agree more on the value of getting those mental reps. Maye is going to be drinking from a fire hydrant, better he do that from the sidelines than in the game. At least he'll get an idea of how fast the game is in the NFL.

 

[dliverey44]

“Dude, it’s the fricking preseason,” said Hogan. “He’s seeing cover three, cover two, cover four, man, there’s no multiple blitzes, man/zone, we’re not talking about that. Week one, that s**t is coming, right? And if you put Drake out there, it’s going to be a fricking field day of blitzes just to see if he can handle it. And you don’t want to do that to the kid.”

“Let Jacoby handle it. He’s seen it. And if Jacoby messes up, ‘All right, let’s go back and watch film,’ and Drake, again, mental reps are huge. Like, see it. ‘All right, they rolled here, they did this, they went from man to zone, they sent the corner,’ you’ve got to be able to see all this in real-time. And like you said, we don’t want to do week one and week two and then have to yank him.”

This is what I was saying 3-4 days ago and was basically told that won't happen. Before the draft fans were like we will be patient if they take Maye because he is young and raw. After 1 preseason QTR and a half, it's all let him play he will learn quicker that way. As a fan I want to immediately see the new QB every week, but for the long term benefit of the team it is probably beneficial to let him sit the 1st month at least.

 

[dliverey44]

Pick any game on the schedule. Maye will help you win that game more than Jacoby. Not sure what else there is to discuss.

Everyone here in NC would laugh at any suggestion is confidence could be ruined. He gets his butt kicked he's working harder, gets better, and pushes himself even more, that's his personality. Uber-competitor.

You can't ruin him and he's the better QB, this is not a hard choice unless you are playing for draft position.

Anyone touting the stats from the last game as some indication of anything meaningful are way off, watch the TAPE! Baker had 3 balls hit him in both hands. He could be 9 for 11 with 2 throwaways, for 127 yards and a running TD, make you feel better? Stats? Look at the tape!

Nix and Daniels are worse than Maye, yet they are starting for bad teams.

They have also played ALOT more QB than Maye.

 

[Real fan 02]

I know, Nix didn’t even do anything, but throw the open receivers. Do you know the other team started their 7th cornerback on the depth chart?

It was basically a light walk-through, completely meaningless game and meaningless stats

kind of looks like they’ve just decided to let Jacoby lose the first four games before they put Drake in, the way Alex Van Pelt was talking today, maybe it’s just a smokescreen but it doesn’t seem like it, seems like the made up their mind a long time ago and really haven’t changed it regardless of what Maye does and what Jacoby does

I think it's a smoke screen. TC McCartney mention Drake using "talented ", and "can do" , AVP is saying it's a process. However I believe mayo and Wolf will decide collectively wether to start Drake. Maye was with the first team offense again today.

 

[Real fan 02]

They have also played ALOT more QB than Maye.

Dawned on me... AVP is a Brissett guy... from the "tone" he seems to be advocating for him. I know he's the OC, but if say Mcaddo and TC tell wolf and Mayo drake's ready... does that conflict with AVP being a Brissett guy?

 

[Real fan 02]

I have not watched preseason in years and this year was no exception. Social media was blowing up with Maye performance and then I looked up the numbers and nothing special at all - in fact less than average.

I agree they are trying to build the narrative to start Maye which would be a bad idea. He will start at some point though this year if we are less than .500.

What I've learned is... AVP is a Brissett guy... Brissett ran his offense in Cleveland in 2022. I believe Brissett is hear because of AVP. What AVP should realize is that his fate as an OC is tied to maye. I give him credit for developing maye so far. But I hope he doesn't get engulfed with his love affair for Brissett. I firmly believe Drake will be the eventual starting QB.

 

[Zuma]

“Dude, it’s the fricking preseason,” said Hogan. “He’s seeing cover three, cover two, cover four, man, there’s no multiple blitzes, man/zone, we’re not talking about that. Week one, that s**t is coming, right? And if you put Drake out there, it’s going to be a fricking field day of blitzes just to see if he can handle it. And you don’t want to do that to the kid.”

“Let Jacoby handle it. He’s seen it. And if Jacoby messes up, ‘All right, let’s go back and watch film,’ and Drake, again, mental reps are huge. Like, see it. ‘All right, they rolled here, they did this, they went from man to zone, they sent the corner,’ you’ve got to be able to see all this in real-time. And like you said, we don’t want to do week one and week two and then have to yank him.”

This is the correct answer…

“Dude, it’s the fricking preseason,” said Hogan. “He’s seeing cover three, cover two, cover four, man, there’s no multiple blitzes, man/zone, we’re not talking about that. Week one, that s**t is coming, right? And if you put Drake out there, it’s going to be a fricking field day of blitzes just to see if he can handle it. And you don’t want to do that to the kid.”

“Let Jacoby handle it. He’s seen it. And if Jacoby messes up, ‘All right, let’s go back and watch film,’ and Drake, again, mental reps are huge. Like, see it. ‘All right, they rolled here, they did this, they went from man to zone, they sent the corner,’ you’ve got to be able to see all this in real-time. And like you said, we don’t want to do week one and week two and then have to yank him.”

 

[dliverey44]

Dawned on me... AVP is a Brissett guy... from the "tone" he seems to be advocating for him. I know he's the OC, but if say Mcaddo and TC tell wolf and Mayo drake's ready... does that conflict with AVP being a Brissett guy?

AVP said something today that I feel like alot of us are glossing over. He said that JB can have answers at the LOS. JB has seen everything over his long career. I feel like it would be beneficial for, in film review, Maye to say hey why did you do that there. Maye is physically better but QB is a very mental thing and I don't think Maye is there yet. Having said that I really want to see him Play but I don't think it would benefit us long term. Yes, he can learn things while on the field, but let him learn somethings without big guys trying to hit him.

 

[dliverey44]

What I've learned is... AVP is a Brissett guy... Brissett ran his offense in Cleveland in 2022. I believe Brissett is hear because of AVP. What AVP should realize is that his fate as an OC is tied to maye. I give him credit for developing maye so far. But I hope he doesn't get engulfed with his love affair for Brissett. I firmly believe Drake will be the eventual starting QB.

While he appreciates JBs experience, I think he is being incredibly cautious because he knows he is tied to Maye.

 

[Real fan 02]

AVP said something today that I feel like alot of us are glossing over. He said that JB can have answers at the LOS. JB has seen everything over his long career. I feel like it would be beneficial for, in film review, Maye to say hey why did you do that there. Maye is physically better but QB is a very mental thing and I don't think Maye is there yet. Having said that I really want to see him Play but I don't think it would benefit us long term. Yes, he can learn things while on the field, but let him learn somethings without big guys trying to hit him.

You make good point's. I've heard from all patriots insiders. Perry, Curran, reiss to name a few on podcast and sports outlets that Drake since being drafted has bee. Everything they thought he would be in a person. Be it film study, the field and being involved in the community.

I think most of us after witnessing last season we "want" Drake to be the starter. I know it's Brissett will likely be it for now. The whole premise is having a watchable offense. If Brissett starts throwing picks and we look like last season you can bet Drake will be entered in.

 

[KCSVEN]

They have also played ALOT more QB than Maye.

Just not as well as Maye.

 

[ahmed]

Yeah, how dare they judge a performance by actually watching it. If only they were as well informed as you are by reading a stat line.

It was hopium influenced analysis though I understand it. I just would not say that is anywhere near enough as proof of ready to start.

Has Brissett not been taking most of 1st team snaps based on what I have read? Would be insane to start him with that few 1st team snaps.

Give it 6 weeks or so and re-assess. I would sit him all year.