What Has Staff Learned About The Players On the OL

[mgteich]

We didn't think that the OL would all set and playing well together for Game 1 or even Game 4. We always though that it might take longer.
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SOME THOUGHTS ABOUT STAFF CONCLUSIONS - MY WAGS
1) Lowe is OK to be at least a backup LT.
2) Anderson can't cut it, maybe he can go to IR and get more time to get back to full strength.
3) Signing Okorafor was a mistake. He seems to be able to only play RT and ww need a LT (most of us guessed that months ago).
4) Robinson is a top run blocker and is probably ready to start at RG if needed, and probably backup at LG if there are injuries during a game.
5) Sow is at least OK at either G position.
6) Wallace is OK as a RT, probably not ready to start.
7) Leverett is OK as a game day backup at center
8) Jordan is an option if we choose to keep a 6th IOL.
9) We are signing bodies for the last pre-season game.
10) The waiver wire will be scoured for LT's and backup centers.
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MY HOPE
is that the team will evaluate where are at LT a couple of days after the final cut, and decide whether to sign an actual veteran LT. Is it worth $10M of 2024 cap money to sign a veteran for a year to better protect Maye and give him a better chance to learn? Of course it is. Obviously, whoever it is should have game day bonuses for much of his compensation.

 

[archstanton543]

We should just get you your own forum at this point.

 

[mgcolby]

What LT will be available that is an improvement? There is like 10-12 legit LTs in the league and none of them are getting cut. The rest are just place holders until something better comes along.

Trent Williams is probably the only true LT possibly available and that's not happening nor should it.

Develop what you have. Now an IOL that can snap? All aboard that train.

 

[Ring 6]

We didn't think that the OL would all set and playing well together for Game 1 or even Game 4. We always though that it might take longer.
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SOME THOUGHTS ABOUT STAFF CONCLUSIONS - MY WAGS
1) Lowe is OK to be at least a backup LT.
2) Anderson can't cut it, maybe he can go to IR and get more time to get back to full strength.
3) Signing Okorafor was a mistake. He seems to be able to only play RT and ww need a LT (most of us guessed that months ago).
4) Robinson is a top run blocker and is probably ready to start at RG if needed, and probably backup at LG if there are injuries during a game.
5) Sow is at least OK at either G position.
6) Wallace is OK as a RT, probably not ready to start.
7) Leverett is OK as a game day backup at center
8) Jordan is an option if we choose to keep a 6th IOL.
9) We are signing bodies for the last pre-season game.
10) The waiver wire will be scoured for LT's and backup centers.
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MY HOPE
is that the team will evaluate where are at LT a couple of days after the final cut, and decide whether to sign an actual veteran LT. Is it worth $10M of 2024 cap money to sign a veteran for a year to better protect Maye and give him a better chance to learn? Of course it is. Obviously, whoever it is should have game day bonuses for much of his compensation.

We have 1 good OL. We have 1 decent OL. We have 1 2nd year OL who was mediocre as a rookie.
We have 2 rookies.
We have no one else that really belongs on the field.
We will be starting one gutsy, aging decent, undersized C, good G who might be playing as a slow T, another G who might be average, and guys who must teams would cut.

 

[Ring 6]

What LT will be available that is an improvement? There is like 10-12 legit LTs in the league and none of them are getting cut. The rest are just place holders until something better comes along.

Trent Williams is probably the only true LT possibly available and that's not happening nor should it.

Develop what you have. Now an IOL that can snap? All aboard that train.

There are at least 31 LTs and probably 50 better than what we have.
Upgrading from a guy who shouldn’t be on the team to a guy who is at least one of the 32 best probably impacts a team as much as upgrading from an average to a top 5 at the position

 

[hornetfb85]

LT: Charles Leno/David Baktiari/DJ Humphries
LG: Sow
C: Andrews
RG: Onwenu/Robinson
RT: Wallace/Onwenu

Would be a good/solid OL.

 

[mgcolby]

There are at least 31 alts and probably 50 better than what we have.
Upgrading from a guy who shouldn’t be on the team to a guy who is at least one of the 32 best probably impacts a team as much as upgrading from an average to a top 5 at the position

Sorry that's simply just not reality. I don't think there are 31 legit LTs in the league. Teams are just getting by with what they can at the position. If they find someone that plays better than Lowe, great. But I'm not holding my breath. And to say he shouldn't be on the team is simply hyperbole.

 

[mgcolby]

LT: Charles Leno/David Baktiari/DJ Humphries
LG: Sow
C: Andrews
RG: Onwenu/Robinson
RT: Wallace/Onwenu

Would be a good/solid OL.

Baktiari is done. He just needs to retire at this point. The only question with him is how many snaps will be play before his next knee surgery?

Humphries is a Gronk 30 and coming off knee surgery.

Leno? Maybe, but the dudes old and he was released by Washington who just might have an Oline worse than ours.

Two are definite no go's and Leno is meh, a maybe. Odds are, none would give you more than half a season and that's probably Leno.

 

[mgteich]

Sorry that's simply just not reality. I don't think there are 31 legit LTs in the league. Teams are just getting by with what they can at the position. If they find someone that plays better than Lowe, great. But I'm not holding my breath. And to say he shouldn't be on the team is simply hyperbole.

What LT will be available that is an improvement? There is like 10-12 legit LTs in the league and none of them are getting cut. The rest are just place holders until something better comes along.

Trent Williams is probably the only true LT possibly available and that's not happening nor should it.

Develop what you have. Now an IOL that can snap? All aboard that train.

Are we really saying that Lowe is as good as all but the 10-12 legit LTs in the league?

If Lowe is about the same as the other 20 that are starting means that we are in fine shape for 2024. We have about as good as all but 1/3 of the league, and we'll get our top 10 LT next year.
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Isn't LT like any of the important positions?

10 or so top starters
20 or so mediocre starters
30 or so backups (with talent below the 30 starters)

That 60 players who are starters or backups at LT.

If Lowe is a bit below the 30 starters, then we are in better shape than I thought.

 

[Ring 6]

Sorry that's simply just not reality. I don't think there are 31 legit LTs in the league. Teams are just getting by with what they can at the position. If they find someone that plays better than Lowe, great. But I'm not holding my breath. And to say he shouldn't be on the team is simply hyperbole.

Name one starting LT worse than Lardassian Lowe. Have you watched him play?

 

[mgcolby]

Are we really saying that Lowe is as good as all but the 10-12 legit LTs in the league?

If Lowe is about the same as the other 20 that are starting means that we are in fine shape for 2024. We have about as good as all but 1/3 of the league, and we'll get our top 10 LT next year.
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Isn't LT like any of the important positions?

10 or so top starters
20 or so mediocre starters
30 or so backups (with talent below the 30 starters)

That 60 players who are starters or backups at LT.

If Lowe is a bit below the 30 starters, then we are in better shape than I thought.

Not sure how you got that take from what I wrote?

What team is going to give you their starting LT or even backup swing tackle? I'd be interested to hear that take. And then, please tell me what team is so stacked with bonafide LTs or tackles in general, on their roster their going to cut one? Again that is some analysis I would be interested in reading.

You and Andy act like they can just grab any swinging **** off the scrap pile, insert him at LT and boom instant upgrade, band aid applied.

That's not happening. The answer at LT for 2024 is almost certainly on our roster right now. For better or worse.

Take a flier on a broke down vet as mentioned earlier...sure whatever. But that likely sets you back even further when they go down, but if Wolf thinks one has what it takes, then fine, I guess. Again not holding my breath.

 

[mgcolby]

Name one starting LT worse than Lardassian Lowe. Have you watched him play?

No Andy I just read the box scores. The kid is 25, he got progressively better last year as the year went on. Not saying a ton but he improved. Obviously he has improved this off-season. He is a big guy who can move. Not saying the kid is going to be an all pro.

And to answer your question. Rallman, Ekwonu and Moore. Maybe not in that order because Ekwonu sucked last year. But he's young too. I'm not sure it was close as to who the worst left tackle was last season, Ekwonu was simply bad. Orlando Brown was hot garbage too.

Again it's a league wide issue.

 

[borg]

We should just get you your own forum at this point.

Or a puppy......
Perhaps an emotional support hamster

 

[Wozzy]

What they should have done...

LT – Oli Udoh, Patrick Paul, Calvin Anderson,
LG – Sidy Sow, Layden Robinson,
C – David Andrews, Nick Leverett,
RG – Michael Onwenu, Antonio Mafi,
RT – Andrus Peat, Caedan Wallace, Kellen Diesch, Zuri Henry,

Remove: Chukwuma Okorafor (3.1M), Vederian Lowe (0), Jaylin Polk

Add: Oli Udoh (2M), Andrus Peat (450K), Patrick Paul

Difference in dollars: 650K guaranteed in savings

They could have had a powerhouse offensive line this year and actually saved some money. It would have cost them Polk.

The collaboration screwed the pooch. Lowe and Okorafor suck donkey balls.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Sorry that's simply just not reality. I don't think there are 31 legit LTs in the league. Teams are just getting by with what they can at the position. If they find someone that plays better than Lowe, great. But I'm not holding my breath. And to say he shouldn't be on the team is simply hyperbole.

Case in point, the LT that started for the Super Bowl champions last year currently remains unsigned. Id imagine theres very few teams that actually have *good* players at all 5 OL positions. You just have to find ways around your weakness.

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

What they should have done...

What they should have done is get a quality LT early in the FA period. It is inexcusable that they did not.

For instance what did Tyrone Smith cost? Not that much. but I guess that the Patriots were saving money, but for what? Certainly not to give Judon a new contract. I don't get it.

Here is the scouting report on Smith "When Tyron Smith is healthy, he is an impenetrable brick wall as a blindside protector, no matter the matchup."

 

[Wozzy]

What they should have done is get a quality LT early in the FA period. It is inexcusable that they did not.

For instance what did Tyrone Smith cost? Not that much. but I guess that the Patriots were saving money, but for what? Certainly not to give Judon a new contract. I don't get it.

Here is the scouting report on Smith "When Tyron Smith is healthy, he is an impenetrable brick wall as a blindside protector, no matter the matchup."

But that guy is a fossil.

 

[PatsFan2]

We should just get you your own forum at this point.

arc you're killing me.

 

[PatsFan2]

What they should have done...

LT – Oli Udoh, Patrick Paul, Calvin Anderson,
LG – Sidy Sow, Layden Robinson,
C – David Andrews, Nick Leverett,
RG – Michael Onwenu, Antonio Mafi,
RT – Andrus Peat, Caedan Wallace, Kellen Diesch, Zuri Henry,

Remove: Chukwuma Okorafor (3.1M), Vederian Lowe (0), Jaylin Polk

Add: Oli Udoh (2M), Andrus Peat (450K), Patrick Paul

Difference in dollars: 650K guaranteed in savings

They could have had a powerhouse offensive line this year and actually saved some money. It would have cost them Polk.

The collaboration screwed the pooch. Lowe and Okorafor suck donkey balls.

Jaylin Polk is going to be a very good WR who contributes this year I am not second guessing his Drafting WR's was a NEED!

 

[PatsFan2]

What they should have done...

LT – Oli Udoh, Patrick Paul, Calvin Anderson,
LG – Sidy Sow, Layden Robinson,
C – David Andrews, Nick Leverett,
RG – Michael Onwenu, Antonio Mafi,
RT – Andrus Peat, Caedan Wallace, Kellen Diesch, Zuri Henry,

Remove: Chukwuma Okorafor (3.1M), Vederian Lowe (0), Jaylin Polk

Add: Oli Udoh (2M), Andrus Peat (450K), Patrick Paul

Difference in dollars: 650K guaranteed in savings

They could have had a powerhouse offensive line this year and actually saved some money. It would have cost them Polk.

The collaboration screwed the pooch. Lowe and Okorafor suck donkey balls.

I was hoping Mayo and Trent Brown could have worked things out knowing Trent was mostly pissed at BB. I was jeered and chastised for even suggesting that now tell me which Tackle on this Team is better than Trent Brown?? Yeah I didn't think so: It was no secret that we were Drafting a QB at least have decent Protection in place. I wished we had signed Trent Brown to a contract at least for a year and then move on we would be in a much better place than we are now. We'll see Trent Brown Protecting Burrow game one what could have been.