Maye must play

[Real fan 02]

Man Burrow got killed and was only able to play half the season. The dude may be permanently broken at this point with all those injuries, but time will tell.

Stroud - Dude's only played one year. Mac had a runnerup OROY and look where he turned up. That being said, it was the right move. Interesting that Stroud believes that Maye is the most NFL-ready QB rookie, but he was just looking at "arm talent." Sounds like the "upstairs" part is progressing nicely, though. Also interesting that Maye and Milton didn't call plays in the huddle in college. We don't get to really see whether or not he's picking up on stuff like that quickly.

Forgot Brady was at Michigan for 5 years.

Man I get your point. However what does Burrow look like today? A top 5 QB.. and I'd say CJ is a top 10 QB.

Man Burrow got killed and was only able to play half the season. The dude may be permanently broken at this point with all those injuries, but time will tell.

Stroud - Dude's only played one year. Mac had a runnerup OROY and look where he turned up. That being said, it was the right move. Interesting that Stroud believes that Maye is the most NFL-ready QB rookie, but he was just looking at "arm talent." Sounds like the "upstairs" part is progressing nicely, though. Also interesting that Maye and Milton didn't call plays in the huddle in college. We don't get to really see whether or not he's picking up on stuff like that quickly.

Forgot Brady was at Michigan for 5 years.

Good stuff man. I'll add this... the organization has likely seen steady improvements in maye over the summer.. becuase the whole theory of Brissett being the starter has changed. Wether maye starts or not we are rebuilding.. my personal preference is to see him sooner.

On stroud. He was told the same thing. That he wasn't ready, he was to be developed and sit behind mills. By camps and he showed differently just like maye has. By mid season the guys was making plays like a 4 year vet. He even had Baltimore on the ropes in that divisional play off game.

 

[Real fan 02]

Williams is starting - Daniels is starting heck even Nix looks like he's starting...copycat league.

Don't worry brother the announcement will be coming soon!

 

[Jim Beankie]

Man I get your point. However what does Burrow look like today? A top 5 QB.. and I'd say CJ is a top 10 QB.
Good stuff man. I'll add this... the organization has likely seen steady improvements in maye over the summer.. becuase the whole theory of Brissett being the starter has changed. Wether maye starts or not we are rebuilding.. my personal preference is to see him sooner.

On stroud. He was told the same thing. That he wasn't ready, he was to be developed and sit behind mills. By camps and he showed differently just like maye has. By mid season the guys was making plays like a 4 year vet. He even had Baltimore on the ropes in that divisional play off game.

The ultimate question is how ready Maye is to make the proper line adjustments. I just wonder about line adjustments in general simply because it's something I can only speculate on (plus I know so little about OL play as it is). I just think of another UNC QB, Howell, last year who by far led the league in sacks (65) even though the pressure rate wasn't that high (22.7%). How much is QB and the line? KCSVEN had that great spreadsheet on pressures by fault from PFF (college?), and Maye is uncomfortably high on that list.



KCSVEN's post containing this info that I've linked way too many times:

Drake Maye would be the IDEAL pick for the Patriots at #3

At this point, I'd be fine with either Maye or Daniels. Either one will be a risk as all rookie QBs are. Both are going to have a steep learning curve in the NFL, but the talent (arm & legs) and processing ability is there. But, the question is - do you think they are better than Mac Jones...

www.patsfans.com

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This following is yet another UNC QB, but it's just coincidental, as I just like to use this article as a reminder / primer for pass protection and what the QB's responsibilities are. I just wouldn't want Maye's making too many of these simple mistakes where he gets extra unnecessary hits / sacks. Hopefully the coaches know that sweet spot of when to allow him to responsibly make mistakes.

On a related note, CJ Stroud's like those little 3 year old Japanese kids who successfully go to the market or wherever by themselves. Not only is he screwing with the "can't start Week 1 rookie year" idea, but also with the idea that the Wonderlic is a good measure for football IQ.

Why NFL pass protection is also the QB’s job

Retired NFL lineman Geoff Schwartz shows why Bears QB Mitchell Trubisky made a huge mistake on a sack play.

www.sbnation.com

 

[Real fan 02]

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The ultimate question is how ready Maye is to make the proper line adjustments. I just wonder about line adjustments in general simply because it's something I can only speculate on (plus I know so little about OL play as it is). I just think of another UNC QB, Howell, last year who by far led the league in sacks (65) even though the pressure rate wasn't that high (22.7%). How much is QB and the line? KCSVEN had that great spreadsheet on pressures by fault from PFF (college?), and Maye is uncomfortably high on that list.



KCSVEN's post containing this info that I've linked way too many times:

Drake Maye would be the IDEAL pick for the Patriots at #3

At this point, I'd be fine with either Maye or Daniels. Either one will be a risk as all rookie QBs are. Both are going to have a steep learning curve in the NFL, but the talent (arm & legs) and processing ability is there. But, the question is - do you think they are better than Mac Jones...

www.patsfans.com

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This following is yet another UNC QB, but it's just coincidental, as I just like to use this article as a reminder / primer for pass protection and what the QB's responsibilities are. I just wouldn't want Maye's making too many of these simple mistakes where he gets extra unnecessary hits / sacks. Hopefully the coaches know that sweet spot of when to allow him to responsibly make mistakes.

On a related note, CJ Stroud's like those little 3 year old Japanese kids who successfully go to the market or wherever by themselves. Not only is he screwing with the "can't start Week 1 rookie year" idea, but also with the idea that the Wonderlic is a good measure for football IQ.

Why NFL pass protection is also the QB’s job

Retired NFL lineman Geoff Schwartz shows why Bears QB Mitchell Trubisky made a huge mistake on a sack play.

www.sbnation.com

Great content! Well with a QB. As it's it's the most important position on the field. Sometimes as well as doing all the other things as you mentioned. You need to have a feel for the game. How the defense is playing you, blocking, ect. It's the ultimate game of using your eyes. I understand how many may feel they want Drake to sit, however I'm of the mind that we are rebuilding any way we have nothing to loose!

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Id like maye to start week 1 but i trust in whatever the staff decides. it appears they are doing a fine job developing him up until this point at least when you see where he was the first couple padded practices compared to where he is now. Unless they’ve just gotten lucky kinda like my parents did with me

 

[mgteich]

to me it’s not a matter of who is better. Nate is the QB of this team, it’s just matter of when. My priority in that decision is what make Maye progress the fastest, and to me, that is unquestionably playing the most football he can.

Perhaps he will play the most if we wait for the OL to play together for 1-4 games while he spends lots of time learning a bit about NFL speed and defenses.
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I don't think that we really disagree much. If Okorafor had worked out at LT, I would also be fine with Maye starting Game One. Perhaps we should just trust the staff's evaluation of our LT's, or not. If we trust the coaches, then we are ready to believe that Lowe is ready to play, albeit while being one of the worst starting LT's in the NFL. That's actually OK if we can scheme around that fact.

 

[Ring 6]

Perhaps he will play the most if we wait for the OL to play together for 1-4 games while he spends lots of time learning a bit about NFL speed and defenses.
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I don't think that we really disagree much. If Okorafor had worked out at LT, I would also be fine with Maye starting Game One. Perhaps we should just trust the staff's evaluation of our LT's, or not. If we trust the coaches, then we are ready to believe that Lowe is ready to play, albeit while being one of the worst starting LT's in the NFL. That's actually OK if we can scheme around that fact.

How can he learn about the speed of the game if he isn’t playing? He can learn everything about defense while sitting from watching tape, it won’t stick without playing.

 

[signbabybrady]

 

[SlowGettingUp]

Brady is no fan of starting rookie QBs:

Tom Brady doesn't hide his opinion on Patriots' starting Drake Maye this season

During an interview at Fanatics Fest, Tom Brady shared his feelings about forcing rookies to play too soon in the NFL.

musketfire.com

 

[borg]

Jerod Mayo: "100 percent" confidence that Drake Maye is ready to run a huddle

The Patriots' head coach is confident in his rookie quarterback.

www.nbcsports.com

 

[KCSVEN]

Kind of interesting the 2 QB's I thought showed the best in preseason were JJ McCarthy and Drake Maye which happen to be the 2 youngest QB's and the 2 that might start the year on the bench (even if JJ was not injured).

It's really possible that McCarthy would have won that job by mid-season. Which would mean by mid-season end, 5 (15%) of the NFL starters would have been rookies. 5 rookies would likely have played at least half the teams' games.

Williams, Daniels, Maye, McCarthy, Nix.
Kirk Cousins gets hurt again and you'd probably have another in Penix.

2024 is a unique class.

It seems Wiliams, Daniels and Nix are all getting ROY somehow. Hype train is rolling for all.

I'm not that impressed by any of them YET but REALLY glad they are all starting, will be able to actually see if they are any good. Will make for a fun NFL season.

 

[KCSVEN]

Sounds like Maye better than Jacoby again today, seems a trend.

 

[Real fan 02]

Sounds like Maye better than Jacoby again today, seems a trend.

Agreed. I think they are keeping the named starter under the wraps... mayo did say by next week they will have a named starter... I think it's pretty obvious maye is the best option for the team.

 

[VJCPatriot]

This ! Besides if brissett really tanks the first 4 games , the expectations from maye will be a lot lower and also the first 4 weeks gives maye time to get used to NFL speed, watch film, practice .also o-line should be getting their feet wet and carving a positive above -average identity .

This way we are not scarring him for first season. If possible first 7 games wherein Jacoby leads us to 0-7 season .

Remember guys, Andrew Luck came in with one of the highest expected upsides in his NFL draft class. The Colts threw him to the wolves and he ended up retiring at just the age of 29. I want Maye to enjoy a long and illustrious career. Don't cut that short with impatience and a traumatizing start for a very promising prospect.

 

[VJCPatriot]

The ultimate question is how ready Maye is to make the proper line adjustments. I just wonder about line adjustments in general simply because it's something I can only speculate on (plus I know so little about OL play as it is). I just think of another UNC QB, Howell, last year who by far led the league in sacks (65) even though the pressure rate wasn't that high (22.7%). How much is QB and the line? KCSVEN had that great spreadsheet on pressures by fault from PFF (college?), and Maye is uncomfortably high on that list.



KCSVEN's post containing this info that I've linked way too many times:

Drake Maye would be the IDEAL pick for the Patriots at #3

At this point, I'd be fine with either Maye or Daniels. Either one will be a risk as all rookie QBs are. Both are going to have a steep learning curve in the NFL, but the talent (arm & legs) and processing ability is there. But, the question is - do you think they are better than Mac Jones...

www.patsfans.com

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This following is yet another UNC QB, but it's just coincidental, as I just like to use this article as a reminder / primer for pass protection and what the QB's responsibilities are. I just wouldn't want Maye's making too many of these simple mistakes where he gets extra unnecessary hits / sacks. Hopefully the coaches know that sweet spot of when to allow him to responsibly make mistakes.

On a related note, CJ Stroud's like those little 3 year old Japanese kids who successfully go to the market or wherever by themselves. Not only is he screwing with the "can't start Week 1 rookie year" idea, but also with the idea that the Wonderlic is a good measure for football IQ.

Why NFL pass protection is also the QB’s job

Retired NFL lineman Geoff Schwartz shows why Bears QB Mitchell Trubisky made a huge mistake on a sack play.

www.sbnation.com

On the contrary, Maye seems average looking for PFF percentage with 13%. Most QBs are in the teens.

Strangely enough, Brock Purdy who has the highest PFF at 31% has been one of the best early performers of those graded QBs, and Baker Mayfield with the lowest at 7% struggled and has had the most controversial start to his career until moving to Tampa.

Considering the two outliers we just mentioned, I still don't see enough correlation with this PFF stat and the actual success of the QB once making it to the pros. This PFF does NOT seem to be a reliable stat to predict QB success.

 

[Real fan 02]

Remember guys, Andrew Luck came in with one of the highest expected upsides in his NFL draft class. The Colts threw him to the wolves and he ended up retiring at just the age of 29. I want Maye to enjoy a long and illustrious career. Don't cut that short with impatience and a traumatizing start for a very promising prospect.

Your right, but luck even admitted himself that he was a bit reckless at times exposing himself instead of throwing it away. I see right away in Drake that he won't do that. If it's not there he throws it away. Lamar for example ran less last season and resulted in another MVP. So I think today's QBs have learned from the past and want to protect themselves. Brady was the master at it. I believe in the best player's playing. Internally mayo and his staff know that's Drake. Mayo even saying today when asked that he's absolutely ready to command a huddle.

 

[Jim Beankie]

On the contrary, Maye seems average looking for PFF percentage with 13%. Most QBs are in the teens.

Strangely enough, Brock Purdy who has the highest PFF at 31% has been one of the best early performers of those graded QBs, and Baker Mayfield with the lowest at 7% struggled and has had the most controversial start to his career until moving to Tampa.

Considering the two outliers we just mentioned, I still don't see enough correlation with this PFF stat and the actual success of the QB once making it to the pros. This PFF does NOT seem to be a reliable stat to predict QB success.

Not sure you're looking at the spreadsheet correctly... Maye 25.6%, Mayfield 22.1%. KCSVEN did acknowledge the Purdy 25% and Hurts 23% and mentioned the team is well built around them.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Not sure you're looking at the spreadsheet correctly... Maye 25.6%, Mayfield 22.1%. KCSVEN did acknowledge the Purdy 25% and Hurts 23% and mentioned the team is well built around them.

I'm just going from this chart.



You can show me a different one if you found different numbers.

 

[IcyPatriot]

So let's say Maye starts week 4 or 6 or 8 ... even 10.
In the long run what difference does a few weeks make in the next few seasons.
Might make a few +/- game difference for this season ... a nothing burger IMO except for the draft.

My overall opinion is this is Jacoby's job to lose .... and he will at some point and knows it ... the team/players know it.

 

[Jim Beankie]

I'm just going from this chart.



You can show me a different one if you found different numbers.

Yeah - You're using McCarthy's number for Maye, Milfson's # for Purdy, and TLawrence's # for Rodney Dangerfield.
In the same Row:
Drake Maye | 2023 | 25.7 | | | JJ McCarthy | 2023 | 13.4 |
Brock Purdy | 2021 | 25 | | | Zach Wilson | 2019 | 31.1 |
Baker Mayfield | 2017 | 22.1 | | | Trevor Lawrence | 2019 | 9.5 |