OT: Tua on Flores

[upstater1]

There's a difference between harsh criticism, and what Flores was doing. Flores was legitimately just putting Tua down and taking out his disappointment on him. Flores made it clear he wanted herebrt or deshaun, so he took his anger out on Tua

Even minkah Fitzpatrick didn't like Flores. Neither did Flores's assistants

Yes some players respond to it. But even bringing up Brady is flawed and when Brady himself get tired of it and left

unless you think Brady suddenly got soft all of a sudden in 2017?

And most players who were coached by Parcells still commented on how also gave positive reinforcement if I recall correctly


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Bottom line: I don't believe Flores verbatim said anything like what Tua claims.

I want to see McDaniels have success with his rah-rah before everyone says "This is the way!"

Look at Pete Carroll -- the guy has been dismissed by players everywhere he went in the pros. He's an excellent coach, had a lot of talent on his teams, but never ever seemed to get that level of respect from his players after being all rah-rah with them.

 

[VrabelJr]

Tua puts up pretty stats and makes long throws but he doesn’t know how to get those “gotta have it” short yards that you need to close out games. He’s a limited QB.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Now hes got a clown coach who is really nice, and he and his team folds under pressure

But coach dances at practice!

 

[upstater1]

Back to back playoff appearances for the first time in 20 years...

As opposed to Flores's head coaching which led them....?

To be fair I don't think he had spoken about Flores before this

This is nothing in the scheme of things.

It's a team that had a load of draft picks in previous years and a team which had been building.

Flores was asked to tank.

McDaniels was given Tyreek Hill, Jaylen Waddle, Devon Achane, Jaylen Phillips, Jalen Ramsey, Raheem Mostert, Bradley Chubb, Jevon Holland, Liam Eichenberg and 2nd year guys like Austin Jackson, Robert Hunt, Raekwon Davis, Van Ginkel, Christian Wilkins.

This is a huge influx of talent.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Those days are over.

Bledsoe said that Tuna was relentless. It was common old style practice.

Today's players don't respond to this treatment anymore.

Really makes you appreciate Tom. Bill and Weis were brutal

 

[203Pat]

This is nothing in the scheme of things.

It's a team that had a load of draft picks in previous years and a team which had been building.

Flores was asked to tank.

McDaniels was given Tyreek Hill, Jaylen Waddle, Devon Achane, Jaylen Phillips, Jalen Ramsey, Raheem Mostert, Bradley Chubb, Jevon Holland, Liam Eichenberg and 2nd year guys like Austin Jackson, Robert Hunt, Raekwon Davis, Van Ginkel, Christian Wilkins.

This is a huge influx of talent.

So a quarterback that was viewed as a potential bust prior to McDaniel is now a playoff quarterback who spent the first 2/3 of last season as an MVP candidate has nothing to do with his innovative, offensive minded, head coach? Got it.

 

[Ring 6]

Really makes you appreciate Tom. Bill and Weis were brutal

Almost anyone who played football and was successful can name a coach who was hard on them, and will say that’s the best coach they had, and he made them a better player.

 

[lancerman]

Some do, some don't....just recognize who does and doesn't. It's not hard unless you're a lazy ****.

And this is the difference with Belichick and his assistants. Bill knew which players needed tough love and a chip on their shoulder and which ones to coddle and protect. There were some players Bill would go to bat for in the media and not allow their poor play to be something that they were battered with so their confidance eroded further.

 

[Sect140]

Back to back playoff appearances for the first time in 20 years...

As opposed to Flores's head coaching which led them....?

To be fair I don't think he had spoken about Flores before this

Exactly, he made his money, coaching staff believes in him so why now. To me it makes look small.

 

[Family]

Really makes you appreciate Tom. Bill and Weis were brutal

Tom was always respectful of the past.

Bledsoe probably said to him they're both a-holes, but Parcells was worse, so Tom probably took it as a motivator for his job.

 

[Thelonious]

Use your words.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Exactly, he made his money, coaching staff believes in him so why now. To me it makes look small.

Very small.

 

[jimnance]

My low opinion of Tua is now lower.
Grow the f up.

 

[raduray]

Interesting discussion. I just finished reading Band of Brothers and the members of the company hated their hard ass captain who made their training hell, yet they credited him for toughening them up to endure what was to come. Granted, however, that he was replaced with a more humane leader who they all loved and respected before they went into battle and that new leader is the one who led them to greatness.

 

[TheRainMaker]

This is unfortunately how sports in general is. I blame LeBron James and Kevin Durant polluting the younger kids who are now pro's.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Interesting discussion. I just finished reading Band of Brothers and the members of the company hated their hard ass captain who made their training hell, yet they credited him for toughening them up to endure what was to come. Granted, however, that he was replaced with a more humane leader who they all loved and respected before they went into battle and that new leader is the one who led them to greatness.

Suggest reading, "Citizen Soldiers" also written by Stephen Ambrose.

Tua doesn't deserve to carry **** Winters's cantine.

 

[maust]

As expected Flores took the high road. He wishes Tua "nothing but the best."
For anyone keeping score at home, this is how a professional handles their business:

 

[Vindicate]

Flores forgot like the many assistants of Bill's:

1 - It really only has a shot at working when you're the literal best coach ever and have proven it.

2 - You have an entire organization, from top to bottom, built around that leadership style AND have the necessary pieces to offset the harsh crit. I said this before Brady's little lecture last week or whatever; he knew he HAD to be the positive leader among the players. It built comraderie and allowed Bill to be him.

I still love Flores and think Tua is overrated and the Dolphins will fail to achieve what everyone thinks they'll do, but chances are Flores didn't do himself too many favors.

 

[Rob0729]

I killed both Belichick and Mac for Belichick not putting Mac in a position to succeed and Mac not having the stones to overcome it. So I will do the same for Flores and Tua. Tua didn't collapse anywhere near what Mac did last year, but he did not handle the pressure well. There are other QBs out there who would have overperformed to prove Flores wrong.

Word was Belichick treated Brady as poorly any other player and he overcame it. Granted it didn't seem to come until after Brady was already established.

I guess I am old school with QBs. They shouldn't have to be coddled like WRs. They should have nerves of steel and let next to nothing rattle them.

 

[farn]

As expected Flores took the high road. He wishes Tua "nothing but the best."
For anyone keeping score at home, this is how a professional handles their business:

As expected, Flores takes the high road and - imo - makes Tua look like a baby.