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[lancerman]

Because everything he did in 2000 he would have also done (and actually more of it) in addition to also getting on the field experience and learning want uou can’t learn from the sidelines.

There's nothing that actually proves that. If he played in 2000 it's just as likely he struggles because he wasn't NFL ready and the team moves on from a 6th round pick and either decides to roll with Bledsoe or look for someone else. Then Brady is viewed as a failure, struggles to get on an NFL squad and is always second guessed vs the starter even if he finds a job. You aren't appreciating how narrow the prospects of Brady actually having a career in the league were. He was literally one Patriot employee away from being a UDFA or cut in camp so they wouldn't have 3 QB's. A mediocre season could have changed his entire career.

 

[Ring 6]

There's nothing that actually proves that. If he played in 2000 it's just as likely he struggles because he wasn't NFL ready and the team moves on from a 6th round pick and either decides to roll with Bledsoe or look for someone else. Then Brady is viewed as a failure, struggles to get on an NFL squad and is always second guessed vs the starter even if he finds a job. You aren't appreciating how narrow the prospects of Brady actually having a career in the league were. He was literally one Patriot employee away from being a UDFA or cut in camp so they wouldn't have 3 QB's. A mediocre season could have changed his entire career.

There is nothing that disproves it.
And none of that other garbage applies to my point.
My point is that Brady would have been better in September of 2001 if in addition to working out, learning and practicing he has a season of experience of real game reps under his belt.
He shouldn’t have stated given the circumstances, but if he had he would have been better in sept if 2001.

He is being used as an example of the effect on preparedness of playing games. This isn’t a discussion if an alternate career path.
I watched Tom Brady okay for over 20 years and you are out of your mind to say if they only had gotten a chance to see him play they would have cut him.

 

[Ring 6]

There's nothing that actually proves that. If he played in 2000 it's just as likely he struggles because he wasn't NFL ready and the team moves on from a 6th round pick and either decides to roll with Bledsoe or look for someone else. Then Brady is viewed as a failure, struggles to get on an NFL squad and is always second guessed vs the starter even if he finds a job. You aren't appreciating how narrow the prospects of Brady actually having a career in the league were. He was literally one Patriot employee away from being a UDFA or cut in camp so they wouldn't have 3 QB's. A mediocre season could have changed his entire career.

Actually the statement proves itself. He absolutely would have gotten all of the non playing development he got as a bench guy if he was a starter and the game experience.
It’s like people think there is a “learn to play qb while a backup” practice routine that prepares a qb better than actually running the team in practice with the first unit. Very strange.

 

[lancerman]

There is nothing that disproves it.
And none of that other garbage applies to my point.
My point is that Brady would have been better in September of 2001 if in addition to working out, learning and practicing he has a season of experience of real game reps under his belt.
He shouldn’t have stated given the circumstances, but if he had he would have been better in sept if 2001.

He is being used as an example of the effect on preparedness of playing games. This isn’t a discussion if an alternate career path.
I watched Tom Brady okay for over 20 years and you are out of your mind to say if they only had gotten a chance to see him play they would have cut him.

I'm going by what actually happened. You are hypothesizing a hypothetical and it's on you to prove that it would turn out like you said.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

Brady benefited from his rookie year as QB4 riding the bench. He matured physically and mentally, learned the playbook, saw how it worked week to week in the nfl, and improved his stock with coaches and teammates. That all built his confidence and readiness.

 

[aluminum seats]

Learning in live game day situations will never hamper your development

Disagree with that. We are of course not able to observe two career paths with the same person, but we’ve seen enough guys get chewed up to know that bad habits can be ingrained, confidence can be ruined, all kinds of things can happen in bad situations.

 

[Ring 6]

Disagree with that. We are of course not able to observe two career paths with the same person, but we’ve seen enough guys get chewed up to know that bad habits can be ingrained, confidence can be ruined, all kinds of things can happen in bad situations.

I don’t agree. You are picking a reason you want to argue and applying it as age cause. There is no evidence that they were forced to have bad habits that they couldn’t overcome. It’s a catch all excuse

 

[Ring 6]

I'm going by what actually happened. You are hypothesizing a hypothetical and it's on you to prove that it would turn out like you said.

Wrong we are both going by what happened but you are hypothesizing a hypothetical that he would have been a different guy if he played earlier. All I’m saying is the growth, talent and ability he showed would have progressed sooner if his playing career started sooner.
I say Brady is Brady, you say he is only a result of not playing.

 

[aluminum seats]

I don’t agree. You are picking a reason you want to argue and applying it as age cause. There is no evidence that they were forced to have bad habits that they couldn’t overcome. It’s a catch all excuse

You disagree that the circumstances of someone’s development can impact their professional effectiveness and success? I think it’s obviously true that it can, not just in sports but in any area of life.

 

[Ring 6]

You disagree that the circumstances of someone’s development can impact their professional effectiveness and success? I think it’s obviously true that it can, not just in sports but in any area of life.

I think that a good player isn’t “broken” by adversity.
Most of the all time greats first took over on a team that was considered bad.
And I do disagree that circumstances make people. People are who they are and they either rise to the occasion or fall in with the crowd.
If your franchise QB is one who falls in with the crowd he never was your franchise qb.

 

[pazrul72]

You can keep repeating yourself as many times as you like.Your argument does not sway my opinion in the least


Tom Brady does not disagree with me and I’m sure he would say any okaying he did in his rookie year would have benefited him.

And THERE is the condescension. You dont want a discussion, you dont want to learn, you cant acknowledge other points of view as having any validity, and your OPINION is 100% right 100% of the time. See i acknowledge im just some dude on the internet and im not the one who made this OP expressing thier opinion for the 500th time that no one asked for.

Go listen to the interview, yes he does.

 

[maust]

And THERE is the condescension. You dont want a discussion, you dont want to learn, you cant acknowledge other points of view as having any validity, and your OPINION is 100% right 100% of the time. See i acknowledge im just some dude on the internet and im not the one who made this OP expressing thier opinion for the 500th time that no one asked for.

Go listen to the interview, yes he does.

Respectfully I'd like to point out you probably would have been better to stop with;

. The last word is yours

PatsFans PSA:

 

[pazrul72]

Fa

Respectfully I'd like to point out you probably would have been better to stop with;



PatsFans PSA:

Fair. It was my intention but then i thought of more i forgot to write and he once again completely ignored what i posted to spout his spiel.

 

[maust]

Fair. It was my intention but then i thought of more i forgot to write and he once again completely ignored what i posted to spout his spiel.

So what you're telling me is clearly you could not choose the cup in front of you...

 

[pazrul72]

So what you're telling me is clearly you could not choose the cup in front of you...

Of course cuz you knew i would choose that cup. But you knew that i would know i could not choose the cup in front of me so clearly i can not choose the cup in front of you.

 

[Ring 6]

And THERE is the condescension. You dont want a discussion, you dont want to learn, you cant acknowledge other points of view as having any validity, and your OPINION is 100% right 100% of the time. See i acknowledge im just some dude on the internet and im not the one who made this OP expressing thier opinion for the 500th time that no one asked for.

Go listen to the interview, yes he does.

No, my opinion can easily be swayed by a COMPELLING argument. My opinion is my OPINION not a fact. I wouldn’t state it if I wasn’t confident in it.
Nothing you have said has changed my mind.

As I said you do not have to read my posts if you are intimidate by them. Life is short. If you want to believe you improve as a football player more by sitting on the sidelines and watching than playing feel free, I just won’t agree with that.

Brady is not comparing where he would be year 2 if he had played vs sat. He is comparing where he was year 2 vs where he was year 1.

Once again a qb practicing and working on improving will be better year 2 without playing.
But a qb practicing and working on improving and also getting live game reps and experience will progress further.

If you are looking for someone who doesn’t think through their opinions, so they will back off of them when you give another view, you’ve got the wrong guy.
I considered your side when forming my opinion, which I have laid out in my opinion.

So of course I believe I am right, or I wouldn’t say it. Do you post things you don’t think you are right about? Have you changed your opinion at all based upon the other side? No.
Stop the holier than thou BS. If you are too sensitive just put me on ignore.

The board should be posts about football, not posts about posters.

 

[Ring 6]

Fa

Fair. It was my intention but then i thought of more i forgot to write and he once again completely ignored what i posted to spout his spiel.

I didn’t ignore what you posted at all, in fact I responded to every point you made.

 

[aluminum seats]

I think that a good player isn’t “broken” by adversity.
Most of the all time greats first took over on a team that was considered bad.
And I do disagree that circumstances make people. People are who they are and they either rise to the occasion or fall in with the crowd.
If your franchise QB is one who falls in with the crowd he never was your franchise qb.

I think there’s a much broader gray area here then you acknowledge.

 

[maust]

Of course cuz you knew i would choose that cup. But you knew that i would know i could not choose the cup in front of me so clearly i can not choose the cup in front of you.

And that my friend, if I may be so bold as to call you my friend, is the essence of arguing with Andy. 'Cause whichever cup you choose, it's poisoned

 

[Ring 6]

I think there’s a much broader gray area here then you acknowledge.

Gray in what way?