PostGame Thread Patriots Fall to the Eagles 14-13 at Gillette Stadium

[FredFromDartmouth]

That is the Big Question this year. Instead of drafting McConkey, they traded down and got Polk plus Baker. We shall see if this was the correct move; right now it looks like a draw....but we will see.

Actually it is not quite that simple. They had to give up an early 5 also in the trade down. SD used the 5 for a CB Tarheeb Still, but the Patriots could have gotten someone like center Sedrick Van Pran-Granger, whoever he it.

 

[captain stone]

Leverett has been fine as the primary backup center. Thought he did ok today. That botched snap was on Maye.

Has Charles Turner gotten any run?

Mike Jordan is currently our best backup Center, and is our #3 OG if Onwenu starts at RT, like he should. He was near-flawless during his limited snaps last night, same as he was last week.

 

[Keep Up With The Joneses]

Really has Biscuit shown that he's the clear cut Starter?? Alright I didn't think so.

He hasn't but that's been the plan. Not because he's better than Maye, but because they don't want to throw a rookie QB behind this line and with these "weapons."

 

[Keep Up With The Joneses]

The all-22 is not out yet on NFL+, so hard to be 100% certain analysis but play by play without it disagrees with your entire take.

The first dropback, he went quickly thru 3 read, 3 reads in like 2 seconds.
2nd pass, 2 reads, maybe 3 as the underneath of Baker might be 2, nailed the deep crosser
Next-dump off to tight end with free rusher
Next play first read open, threw it
Next play was shot play down sideline to Baker. had a step, pushed out of bounds, ball landed in his hands
NExt play, until all-22 hard to tell if 2nd or 3rd read, probably 3rd to the flat to Polk.
Next play was probably the ONE play you say will cause injury down the line, a little high to Baker, first read, he is open between 2 defenders, again hits him in the hands, looks Like Maye hesitated during the throw, not great but correct read, hit him in hands, should be a low throw though between defenders, his hesitation probably caused the throw to be high. Bad throw, but a good wr also catches it.
Next, great screen pass great timing, I'm assuming there is a screen later that is off you mention
Then fumble snap
2 reads and a run
2 reads and deep ball to Baker
Next play, 6 reads, yes 6 though technically not all "reads" on the play just kept head up on scramble and kept looking and then threw it away on the scramble
1st read Baker PI play
Throw away with at least 3 reads on a play designed for a 1 read quick throw that was covered

I saw one play that the receiver was stopped, so not a hospital ball throwing into people while moving, no other remotely close to "cause injury down the line"

Bubble screen negative yards? Where?

Absolutely not moving too quickly for him. Based on above he went thru more reads than the average NFL QB can do.

What have you seen on film on Milton, he has 4 years of film and 2 exhibition games saying he's got a 1% chance of being an NFL starter?

A few inaccurate passes that were either caught or hit the receiver in the hands.

Who gives a crap about the numbers looking better? If he played for 49ers, Dolphins or Bengals he'd have great #'s wouldn't mean he's a franchise QB.

He made 3 GREAT, all-pro level throws.

Just to be clear I like Maye, and he's right where I expected him to be at this point. My post had no ill intent.
Merely relaying what my eyes saw. Some good, some not good.
I'm sure we're talking about the same screen play as I only remember one, although I missed a few plays walking the dog. It just looked like he threw it before the blocks were set up.

I thought the PI was a bad call. I didn't think that was a catchable ball.

Right now the line is not great, and no one back there is getting much time, so not getting through progressions isn't all his fault. He still looks way better under pressure than Mac ever did.

I agree the numbers don't matter right now. I'm merely saying that for the people who look at 6-11 for 47 and think he just dinked and dunked all night.

On your last line, I agree.

 

[PatsFan2]

Milton didn't look as good as he did the last time he played.

Ok sue him.

 

[KCSVEN]

Just to be clear I like Maye, and he's right where I expected him to be at this point. My post had no ill intent.
Merely relaying what my eyes saw. Some good, some not good.
I'm sure we're talking about the same screen play as I only remember one, although I missed a few plays walking the dog. It just looked like he threw it before the blocks were set up.

I thought the PI was a bad call. I didn't think that was a catchable ball.

Right now the line is not great, and no one back there is getting much time, so not getting through progressions isn't all his fault. He still looks way better under pressure than Mac ever did.

I agree the numbers don't matter right now. I'm merely saying that for the people who look at 6-11 for 47 and think he just dinked and dunked all night.

On your last line, I agree.

I think casually watching is sometimes good and sometimes bad, I found in some instances the first casual watch was pretty accurate but after dissecting every play over and over for various QB's I've learned they only way for me to tell for sure what's what is to analyze every play in slow motion multiple times.
I've also realized how many BAD plays the great QB's make. People tend to overrate a bad throw here and there and ignore the overall averages of Qb's.
You have % of great throws, % of average throws, % of bad throws and many other stats and when you compare Maye he rates very highly, last night and in college.

It was 100% pass interference, the throw was catchable, it landed just outside edge of the white strip, it was probably a tad high but if Baker was not knocked off his stride based on the yards he covered in the time he covered them previously on the play the ball would have been right on the correct yard marker, slightly high, maybe off his fingers, maybe caught but not uncatchable.

As the coaches stated, he's amazing at getting thru his progressions, when he realistically has time to. That's all you can ask.

 

[Zuma]

Mike Jordan is currently our best backup Center, and is our #3 OG if Onwenu starts at RT, like he should. He was near-flawless during his limited snaps last night, same as he was last week.

You’ve mentioned Jordan a few times…I’ve never heard of him until recently. Looks like he’s started 26 games at G…I had no idea he had that experience. Has he played Center in regular season? Leverett is playing good for a backup C.

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

Milton didn't look as good as he did the last time he played.

He was playing behind the third-string OL and third-string WRs. I would like to see him playing with the starters. I am guessing that he is not as accurate as Maye and does not throw easily-catchable short passes, but he is a better scrambler.

 

[mgteich]

You’ve mentioned Jordan a few times…I’ve never heard of him until recently. Looks like he’s started 26 games at G…I had no idea he had that experience. Has he played Center in regular season? Leverett is playing good for a backup C.

I have Jordan as the #6 IOL, basically with same role as Leverett.

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

Douglas is a fantastic slot receiver. You should see him in practice twisting DBs into knots.

The problem is that without a deep threat at WR, the X, the safeties come down on Douglas and hit him as hard as they can. Actually I think the defensive game plan for some of these teams is to injure Douglaa. Until the Patriots get a deep threat, this will continue to be a problem.

 

[dliverey44]

I rewatched the game through 3 QTRS in .5 play speed and here are some of my takeaways. I focused on the OL and DL
Brissett is ass
Verdarian Lowe-Outside of 4 plays he looked serviceable. He seems to have heavy feet and does not react well to misdirection or speed to the outside.
Okorafor- Makes me just as nervous as Lowe and it would not surprise me if both are backups this year. He looks very athletic(quick feet), very inconsistent.
Sow, andrews and Owenu were inconsistent with their run blocking(getting push) the pass blocking was average to good.
Wallace- Looks really good at RT and I think he is better than Okorafor right now. I did watch a little bit of the 4th qtr and Wallace played LT. He looks much more comfortable at RT but not out of place at LT.
Robinson- Looks good in the run and pass game and should see some 1st team reps soon.
I liked what I saw of Leverett as backup C
As a unit the OL was iffy but not as bad as I thought it was watching in real time. I really think the best 5 are in order from left to right
Wallace-sow-andrews-robinson-owenu.

Defense
White looks much better as an interior DL.
Pharms is my boo. he was able to get push in the pass rush and was stout in the run game.
Uche is ehh
Jennings is a force in the run game but not great at putting pressure on the QB, but neither was uche.
Purcell and Watts are both ewww and I think will get cut.
Eukale and Hill both have moments, but not alot of consistency
I like Wise as a potential full time guy
Ximenes will provide some flash, looks solid in both pass and run game
McMillan made the 53 man roster last night, imo

 

[captain stone]

You’ve mentioned Jordan a few times…I’ve never heard of him until recently. Looks like he’s started 26 games at G…I had no idea he had that experience. Has he played Center in regular season? Leverett is playing good for a backup C.

Don’t know off-hand if he’s taken any regular-season snaps at Center in the NFL, but he played a full season there at Ohio State… Maybe he’s too big & tall to play Center in this league, but d%#*!@t Mafi is putrid and Fornadel as far as I know has no experience there at all ever… Give the man a chance Mayo!

 

[Kdo5]

Absent a Drake Maye thread I wanted to post to say that the kid ought to play this season if Brissett sucks. But that is dependent on a few things.

Is the OL a complete catastrophe or simply below average?

If it’s so bad that Maye is going to get slaughtered we should hold him out. But if it improves somewhat to close to passable it’s clear enough that Maye has the talent.

I keep hearing through the practice threads that the kid is not ready but I watched the game and he was more ready than the other QBs.

It pretty much all depends on the OL performance over the first few weeks. If it’s an abomination you might wanna hold the kid out until it’s at least passable for an NFL OL

 

[ctpatsfan77]

McMillan made the 53 man roster last night, imo

If memory serves, we were hearing good things about McMillan last year, too, before he suffered a season-ending injury in TC. I hope he stays healthy.

 

[1960Pats]

He's only 21 years old. Otherwise I'd be terrified right now. Potential? Yes. Ready to start and win NFL games? No.

I think Maye, or any QB, needs to play to be ready. It's not going to come to Maye by watching Brissett. Get him in there and let him learn.

When I think back to the starts for Brady and Manning it's worth noting that it took both of them some playing time to improve, even though Brady sat and Manning didn't.

 

[1960Pats]

He was playing behind the third-string OL and third-string WRs. I would like to see him playing with the starters. I am guessing that he is not as accurate as Maye and does not throw easily-catchable short passes, but he is a better scrambler.

Milton was an interesting pick. With his arm I don't think they'll be asking him to move to TE. He and Maye are both pretty athletic.

 

[Wozzy]

Douglas is a fantastic slot receiver. You should see him in practice twisting DBs into knots.

The problem is that without a deep threat at WR, the X, the safeties come down on Douglas and hit him as hard as they can. Actually I think the defensive game plan for some of these teams is to injure Douglaa. Until the Patriots get a deep threat, this will continue to be a problem.

Thornton is the deep threat. They have Osborn slotted as that other outside WR, but seem to be pushing Baker to develop and take that job.

Now it's only a matter of them being able to block long enough to utilize the deep threat and Maye taking the QB job, because Thornton has gotten behind the defense numerous times this preseason only to have Brissett under throw him.

 

[p8ryts]

I rewatched the game through 3 QTRS in .5 play speed and here are some of my takeaways. I focused on the OL and DL
Brissett is ass
Verdarian Lowe-Outside of 4 plays he looked serviceable. He seems to have heavy feet and does not react well to misdirection or speed to the outside.
Okorafor- Makes me just as nervous as Lowe and it would not surprise me if both are backups this year. He looks very athletic(quick feet), very inconsistent.
Sow, andrews and Owenu were inconsistent with their run blocking(getting push) the pass blocking was average to good.
Wallace- Looks really good at RT and I think he is better than Okorafor right now. I did watch a little bit of the 4th qtr and Wallace played LT. He looks much more comfortable at RT but not out of place at LT.
Robinson- Looks good in the run and pass game and should see some 1st team reps soon.
I liked what I saw of Leverett as backup C
As a unit the OL was iffy but not as bad as I thought it was watching in real time. I really think the best 5 are in order from left to right
Wallace-sow-andrews-robinson-owenu.

Defense
White looks much better as an interior DL.
Pharms is my boo. he was able to get push in the pass rush and was stout in the run game.
Uche is ehh
Jennings is a force in the run game but not great at putting pressure on the QB, but neither was uche.
Purcell and Watts are both ewww and I think will get cut.
Eukale and Hill both have moments, but not alot of consistency
I like Wise as a potential full time guy
Ximenes will provide some flash, looks solid in both pass and run game
McMillan made the 53 man roster last night, imo

I agree with your assessment, but have to consider the level of opposition. Our first team O line was acceptable against their second line defenders.

 

[p8ryts]

I

Thornton is the deep threat. They have Osborn slotted as that other outside WR, but seem to be pushing Baker to develop and take that job.

Now it's only a matter of them being able to block long enough to utilize the deep threat and Maye taking the QB job, because Thornton has gotten behind the defense numerous times this preseason only to have Brissett under throw him.

I watched JT O'Sullivan's review of Drake Maye. It looked like Wilcox, #87 was open on every play. I want to watch him more closely next game.

 

[Wozzy]

I watched JT O'Sullivan's review of Drake Maye. It looked like Wilcox, #87 was open on every play. I want to watch him more closely next game.

His hands are the worst on the team.

Watch 88 instead, the rookie, Bell has been impressive as a blocker IMO, even if he hasn’t gotten a lot of targets. They need to fade Wilcox and get the kid more involved.