PATRIOTS TRAINING CAMP Tuesday Patriots Training Camp Thread 8/13

[Ring 6]

I'm saying the best strategy does not involve spending wildly now.

It's questionable taking a WR instead of an OL in the second round, or how we spent the money we did, but the team should have a lot of cap available at this stage of the rebuild.

Or do you prefer to rebuild like the Jets have for decades?

Why not? When you have a terrible team and money to fix it with why would you sit on the money? Don’t we want to field the best team? Wouldn’t it be great to surround the rookie qb with better teammates? What if you spent that cap space, added 6-8 starters, put your qb on the field, watched him develop, win 7-8 games, and identified what was needed to grow that to 10-12?

I’m afraid we are worse than the Jets with a worse plan. The Jets always tried to compete.
We seem to have a plan of don’t improve hoard the resources and then some magic day in the future we will start doing exactly what we could be doing today

If you say we shouldn’t spend because we suck, then doing nothing to improve means we shouldn’t sting next year either because we will still
suck.

I don’t get people defending doing nothing to improve.

 

[signbabybrady]

Reports are the offense got obliterated today with 14 sacks in 42 snaps! FOURTEEN!!! Unbelievable. Of course, I was in the minority re. trading down, grabbing a franchise tackle and getting a rookie QB later.

Very small point because 14 is unacceptable but keep in mind these aren't real sacks they are plays that got blown up by rushers but some of them would be incomplete or scrambles in real life. Or even an occasional completion. Of course one could also lead to a rushed through and interceptions instead too.

I didn't track the exact number but our front was reeking havoc on them at points today as well.

 

[Ring 6]

No guarantees with rookies but had we invested in LT either through my trade scenario or free agency or even a trade then I don't think we'd be looking at top 5 or even top ten. Without the LT I'm pooping my pants.

With a great LT we would have upgraded 1 position by more than a negligible amount
We are many players away from being competitive.
Other teams have $43,000,000 more of players than we do. How could we compete? We are conceding.
And we hired a joke of a coaching staff to manage this debacle.

 

[Ring 6]

The Browns went 1-15 then 0-16 with a HOF LT in Joe Thomas and the Lions went 0-16 with a HOF WR in Calvin Johnson.

The Browns also only had 1 winning season during Joe Thomas' entire career.

Matt Light and Nate Solder were good LTs but no where near the player Joe Thomas was.

We don't need an elite LT or an elite Wr to win games. Having one is a great but it doesn't equal success. If Wallace can't play LT but can play RT, then the Pats can spend a top 10 pick next year on LT.

In other words, I would rather have the QB with all pro potential in Drake Maye and a good LT prospect in next year's draft, than having LT with all pro potential in Joe Alt this year to pair with a weak QB draft class next year.

We need multiple players. Unfortunately we prefer to keep 43,000,000 of the player budget in the bank.

 

[signbabybrady]

With a great LT we would have upgraded 1 position by more than a negligible amount
We are many players away from being competitive.
Other teams have $43,000,000 more of players than we do. How could we compete? We are conceding.
And we hired a joke of a coaching staff to manage this debacle.

It's not that bad lol

 

[stardawg]

Here we go again!

 

[Ring 6]

It's not that bad lol

It’s probably worse.

Tell me this. What on this team is clearly better than last years 4 win team?
Then tell me whats likely to be worse.

 

[stardawg]

You don't get ON THE PHONE and just 'find' a competent LT. I think that's been pretty conclusively demonstrated. Teams aren't just dealing away 'competent LTs' willy nilly.

Wolfe had the entire off-season this is like deja vu!

 

[Mack Herron]

 

[Dedhampatsfan]

He's not LT material. About equal to Isaiah W]ynn. Penalties and injuries.

 

[signbabybrady]

It’s probably worse.

Tell me this. What on this team is clearly better than last years 4 win team?
Then tell me whats likely to be worse.

I think the defense is better with the returns of Judon, Gonzo, and Marcus. Especially if Barmore returns at some point.

I think QB is slightly better with Jacoby instead of Mac.

Henry/Hooper are better than Henry/Gesicki

I think year 2 Pop should be better and any two of the other receivers should be better than Parker and Juju were last year.

Somehow the OL might be worse and it could cause everything to fail and I'm pretty concerned but you're taking it to a whole other level so like I joked step back and say it with Jack "Goosfraba"

 

[signbabybrady]

He's not LT material. About equal to Isaiah W]ynn. Penalties and injuries.

Can we trade for Wynn?

 

[KCSVEN]

Aside from signing Brissett we had 55,000,000 of cap space available in free agency. With that we got:

A#3/4 WR
A #2/3 TE
A backup IOL
A RT who was benched last year and couldn’t find anyone willing to pay him more than 1 year 4 mill with less than 1 mill guaranteed at age 27
A journey man DT who played 24% of the snaps last year who couldn’t get more than 1 year 2.1 mill 800k guaranteed at age 28
A backup RB who earned 65 carries on a terrible Washington team that phased him out

We spend 12 mill of the 55 mill to get that bonanza of difference makers and left the rest in Bob Krafts pocket.

On a 4 win team.

It's because they are punting on this year, they have to spend way more the next 2 years per the CBA, they are planning on 2025-26

 

[Steve102]

The Browns went 1-15 then 0-16 with a HOF LT in Joe Thomas and the Lions went 0-16 with a HOF WR in Calvin Johnson.

The Browns also only had 1 winning season during Joe Thomas' entire career.

Matt Light and Nate Solder were good LTs but no where near the player Joe Thomas was.

We don't need an elite LT or an elite Wr to win games. Having one is a great but it doesn't equal success. If Wallace can't play LT but can play RT, then the Pats can spend a top 10 pick next year on LT.

In other words, I would rather have the QB with all pro potential in Drake Maye and a good LT prospect in next year's draft, than having LT with all pro potential in Joe Alt this year to pair with a weak QB draft class next year.

Which I am guessing is why they did what they did.

 

[Sciz]

It's because they are punting on this year, they have to spend way more the next 2 years per the CBA, they are planning on 2025-26

The CBA rule uses cash spending, so they’re way ahead of pace. OTC says $305M in 2024 cash spending right now, which is 119.4% of the $255.4M cap.

 

[Ring 6]

I think the defense is better with the returns of Judon, Gonzo, and Marcus. Especially if Barmore returns at some point.

I think QB is slightly better with Jacoby instead of Mac.

Henry/Hooper are better than Henry/Gesicki

I think year 2 Pop should be better and any two of the other receivers should be better than Parker and Juju were last year.

Somehow the OL might be worse and it could cause everything to fail and I'm pretty concerned but you're taking it to a whole other level so like I joked step back and say it with Jack "Goosfraba"

Those players were here last year.

I agree slightly at QB only because you really can’t get worse, but they can’t close.

If Hooper is better than Gesicki it’s munute.

Year 2 Douglass would compare to year 1 Douglas. “Any two” of guys who were either behind them or never played in the league is just a hope.

Thats the rosiest of pictures of improvement from 4 wins.

I hope I’m wrong. I will be rooting for them to win every game but they haven’t even tried to field the best team they can. I have to be honest.

Choosing not to spend 43,000,000 would be lie trading all your draft picks into next year. Worse in fact because with 43,000,000 you could sign more starters than you had draft picks.

 

[Ring 6]

The CBA rule uses cash spending, so they’re way ahead of pace. OTC says $305M in 2024 cash spending right now, which is 119.4% of the $255.4M cap.

So if the cap stayed constant over the next 3 years they could cash spend 162 million less than the cap number and still be at the 89%.
We never have to spend the 43,000,000 Kraft hoarded this year.

 

[Ring 6]

It's because they are punting on this year, they have to spend way more the next 2 years per the CBA, they are planning on 2025-26

No they don’t.
But at least we agree ownership tanked the season

 

[Ring 6]

He's not LT material. About equal to Isaiah W]ynn. Penalties and injuries.

Isaiah Wynn was far far better than this guy.

 

[Ring 6]

It's because they are punting on this year, they have to spend way more the next 2 years per the CBA, they are planning on 2025-26

I’m curious, do you mean to say you have no issue with them “punting on this year”

And if as expected they win 3-4 games this year, why wouldn’t they punt on next year too?