Patriots Rumor Patriots potentially trading for Aiyuk (Update - Patriots Out of the Running)

[Pape]

Your turning on me now Pape lol

im sorry you feel that way.

I consider you a friend on these boards, and have always enjoyed conversing with you, whether we have agreed or not.

 

[Ross12]

Sure seems like Aiyuk is forcing his way to the Steelers by refusing to sign an extension with anybody else. It looks like this is going to get ugly for the 49ers, either by keeping him despite the holdout or getting poor trade value in return.

Will it really be ugly for SF though? If they just keep him then he will need to play at least half the season to keep his contract from tolling and then they can get a compensatory selection when he signs his mega-deal as a free agent. Chances are that if he's basically denying offers from anyone but Pittsburgh then Pittsburgh is unlikely to offer trade compensation better than the comp pick they'd get anyway, since they have no competition. So they could keep him and get another at least half-season out of him and still get similar pick value back when he leaves.

I think it would be ugliest for SF if they had a player say "trade me ONLY to this destination even if the comp is bad" even when that player does not have a no-trade clause and SF still does it. Opens the door for every other player on the roster to do the same thing and basically pick what city they'd prefer to play in.

It's one thing for SF to let him negotiate with teams who are willing to give up acceptable compensation, that's sensible. But for Aiyuk to say "no I don't like these teams, I only want to go to this other team who won't give you acceptable compensation, send me there" - agreeing to that makes them look incredibly weak.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

So Bill and Josh got paid and everyone else got HS salaries? That seems accurate to you?

Bill and Mayo's salary not included do you have any evidence of coaches getting paid more now than in the past? I'd be willing to bet that AVP and Covingtons salary combined probably isn't as much as Josh was making.

The fact that RKK brought back JMD and Mayo with good money and the promise of being the coach in waiting does not fit with the BB cheaped out on on coaches to leave more money for himself. The Pats coaching staff shrunk because BB was never able to add coaches from outside the organization. The model of developing coaches from the ground up was not able to keep up with the pace of exodus. For all of the things BB is criticized for integrating new coaches into the system goes under the radar and was ultimately a major factor in the collapse.

 

[Pape]

Mr. Brissett played that game with a busted thumb on his throwing hand. Try throwing a football if your thumb doesn't work. Jimmy G wussed out of playing, Jacoby filled in admirably, given his experience level.

I would also point out that there was no other option in that game. not 1000% on this, but we didn't even have an extra arm on the practice squad at that point in 2016.

 

[borg]

No tax helps..

That and the hundreds of horned up bridesmaids who invade Nashville every weekend looking to sow some wild oats



For the latter, I'd take a deep discount to be a Titan

 

[TheRainMaker]

Looks like Bob is still using the “we tried” card.

 

[VJCPatriot]

A part of me wants the Steelers to get him just so we can see Tomlin and Aiyuk next to each other. They look like the same person.

I don't like the Steelers. So I hope this move doesn't happen unless they first give up an arm and a leg. There's no way the 49ers should let Aiyuk go for less than what the Browns or Patriots offered them.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

Can't lie feels like it..

The team has been rebuilding since the end of the 2020 season. Phase 1 of the rebuild started with the drafting of Mac. We are now in phase 2. Hopefully there will not be a phase 3.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

Aiyuk-I don’t want a guy who would be paid the moon and not want to be here. Wasn’t a fit.

Just play the kids…nothing to lose this season doing that.

Get a LT in the draft, and get your WR1 next offseason if the kids aren’t it.

One sneaky concern is that NE needs a pass rusher and young TE also in the offseason.

The David Price saga is a good example of what happens when a team overpays to force a player to sign with a team that he does not want to play for. There were some good moments, the rest was misery for the player, team and fans.

 

[Thelonious]

Thankfully it seems that cooler heads have prevailed. Condolences to those whose giddy enthusiasm over a useless shiny object we can ill-afford and are not in a position to use has come to nothing. Back to the rebuild. Back to a sound, purposeful approach which pays attention to the team's needs over the actually-relevant two to three year time frame rather than to the silly objective of four wins this year rather than three.

 

[TheRainMaker]

A part of me wants the Steelers to get him just so we can see Tomlin and Aiyuk next to each other. They look like the same person.

Once you see it, you can’t unsee it.

He gets to go play for his father.

Now I understand what you were referring to.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Lynch was there before shanny. When shanny left Atlanta remember? Lynch was instrumental in putting together the defensive roster not shanny.. offensive mind yes! However I read Lynch has control of the roster like any GM and coach. But yes I'd rather mayo focus fully on coaching and coaching decisions. Some people think he reports to wolf he doesn't he reports tp Kraft. Wolf and groh make the final personal decisions they are the GMs.

Groh works under Wolf, Wolf makes the final football decisions.

 

[sb1]

Once you see it, you can’t unsee it.

Can he do Tomlin face?

 

[Ring 6]

No tax helps..

State tax is only charged on half the games. If you have 43,000,000 you are going to just settle for losing you should probably pay the 3-5% more to get a player. Overpaying a good player is better than having a bad player and money in Bob krafts pocket.

 

[Rob0729]

Looks like Bob is still using the “we tried” card.

If Aiyuk only wants to play for the Steelers and the Patriots did truly offer the most money and Aiyuk still refused, then "we tried" is valid. If a player doesn't want to come here even if you offer him the most, you cannot blame ownership for that. Now if he goes to Cleveland for less than a first and less than $30 million a year, then you might have a case to trash Kraft.

 

[Real fan 02]

The team has been rebuilding since the end of the 2020 season. Phase 1 of the rebuild started with the drafting of Mac. We are now in phase 2. Hopefully there will not be a phase 3.

I truly hope this is it. I was thinking of something.. the 2017 jags had an elite defense and a offense predicated off running the ball. They went to the AFC Championship game. That formula can work. Think of this.. if a team can run the ball it opens up the entire offense. It leads to 3rd and shorts and allows the offense to stay to in rhythm. It's looking like Brissett will be the starter. If he can just minimize mistakes, hit open WRs and allow rham and Gibson to run the rock it will allow the defense to rest and they will be in every game this season.

 

[Real fan 02]

im sorry you feel that way.

I consider you a friend on these boards, and have always enjoyed conversing with you, whether we have agreed or not.

Noooo just kidding. You're my friend and I was playful joking around.... LOL.. so it appears Brissett will be the starter huh...

 

[lancerman]

Not even counting for increases 11% of the cap over 4 years is about 111,000,000 so if the answer is we can only leave 111,000,000 on the table so we should feel good, I’m not feeling good. We could be another 70,000,000 under in the next 3 years in top of what we didn’t spend this year.

Why are the patriots the only team that got screwed and couldn’t figure out how to bring in players to improve their 4 win team. I mean show me where there is certain and significant improvement. I don’t see it. If you are going to say it’s the draft, every team drafts that’s not an indication of effort to improve the team.
I think we are tanking. And it’s not tanking for a pick it’s tanking to not spend money because he wants cash back for a 4 win season, and hired an untested long shot to coach the team and won’t spend what’s need until he sees whether Mayo will make it.
It’s not good. Kraft grudgingly spent ti the cap but only with low cash to cap because belichick would win championships. Now we are not trying very hard to compete.

The Patriots got screwed because they were in a position to be screwed. They had an untalented team with lots of cap that was primed to make a free agency splash like in 2021.

When the cap went up, talented teams that already had good players were able to keep them. They were expecting a market that didn't materialize. We already saw what happened. Once the cap went up, teams started extending players that were projected for free agency with the extra cap room they had. Hence, they didn't go into the market and the Patriots didn't have a shot at them.

If you put all your hopes in free agency, you are at the whims of the market. We found this out twice over the last 5 years. The fanbase hyped up how much cap we had during a mediocre season and then the market was **** and we didn't get much out of it. That's the risk you take. If we were really tanking we would have drafted MHJ and went for a QB or something next year and rode out Mac another season.

This team has been poorly built for awhile. People are just starting to accept it now that all the golden carrots are out of the way.

2019: "Oh Brady is being a diva and is toxic and it's ruining the younger guys development. He's clearly cooked and making a fuss"
2020: "This team would be good if not for Cam. I can't watch another season with Cam at QB".
2021: "Mac showed some promise and he's a rookie, if he develops more this offense will prove what it is".
2022: "Mac declined and he needs a bounce back year. Or Zappe is really the answer we should start him".
2023: "Mac is the problem I can't watch him anymore. Oh **** Zappe sucks, I guess all the QB's on this team are horrible".

There's no more excuses anymore or quick fixes, which some of us knew.

Even now, this offense aside from the QB who everyone hated is not much different than the offense last year that Bill Belichick built. It's amazing that people took this long to realize that we built a **** team.

 

[grux]

Aiyuk may have over played his hand if the reports are true that we offered him the highest contract and San Fran was happy with the compensation (Picks, Player etc). Now, the steelers are the only team interested in him. They can low ball both San Fran in regards to compensation and Aiyuks new contract. If they can't strike a deal, Aiyuk is left playing this year under his current contract and San Fran could still franchise him in 2025/2026.

 

[lancerman]

They didn’t get him did they?
They sent the GOAT packing and replaced him with maybe the least experienced HC ever and left him with 80% of a roster in terms of spending. (Probably less when you consider first year cap hits are low)
It’s a mess.

The player didn't want to come here. You can't help that.

The GOAT coach has not won a single playoff game in 5 years. The GOAT coach has had one winning season in 4 years. Nobody else in the league wanted the "GOAT". If anything we probably sent the wrong GOAT packing 5 years ago and should have gotten rid of this one back then instead of waiting.

Yeah you are right... it is a mess. The issue is you are upset that they got rid of the guy who had the most control in creating this mess and in less than 6 months are scapegoating the new guy who is tasked with fixing it.