Maye shows improvement, Brisket still expected to start

[rkarp1]

BB always believed in collaboration, this version of it just didn't work.

You have zero clue what went on, neither do I, but you Rakrp and the legion of BB haters are the only ones pretending to know.

it has been pretty well reported on by numerous sources. the fact that you choose to ignore, does not surprise me.
I do agree however, there has always been collaboration, but Bill always maintained final say (as does Wolf currently)
that said, the prior collaboration, as reported, leaned more so on Bill's circle of friends and college coaches rather than his own scout personnel. Kraft was fairly vocal that once Bill started to lose, he needed to trust his own people

 

[Wozzy]

LOL LOL.. okay so Zapp put up a 100 QB rating. Dedham High QB could put up a perfect passer rating in that barnum and Bailey offense they ran. The defense was okay with Patricia, but better under Flo. Matt should have stayed on defense. He was In over his head calling offense even Bill loyalist Lombardi said they didn't have an offense they just called a bunch of plays. Mac got hurt that season and didn't trust his coaching.

Yeah, I never said Zappe was the long-term answer, just he posted a 100 QB Rating, went undefeated, posted the highest point totals on the season and got benched.

If anyone could have done it... why didn't Mac look that good running the same system? You see the problem with logic this don't you?

 

[sb1]

LOL LOL.. okay so Zapp put up a 100 QB rating. Dedham High QB could put up a perfect passer rating in that barnum and Bailey offense they ran. The defense was okay with Patricia, but better under Flo. Matt should have stayed on defense. He was In over his head calling offense even Bill loyalist Lombardi said they didn't have an offense they just called a bunch of plays. Mac got hurt that season and didn't trust his coaching.

In that Lions game Zappe and the offense was given 6 turnovers on downs by the defense. They produced 1 TD out of those opportunities. Whoop-ee-doo.

Imagine what Brady would have done if he got those opportunities.

 

[Wozzy]

As Curran reported they gave bill time. Bill had 3 seasons post brady.

2020 was a cap clearing season, it was clearly a lost season and they knew it going in. Collaboration started immediately because Kraft saw Tom win a championship on the Tampa superteam and wanted to prove he made the right decision... he clenched up.

 

[Wozzy]

In that Lions game Zappe and the offense was given 6 turnovers on downs by the defense. They produced 1 TD out of those opportunities. Whoop-ee-doo.

Imagine what Brady would have done if he got those opportunities.

Imagine what Brady would have done... compared to a rookie?

You're a real deep thinker... not.

 

[Real fan 02]

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Yeah, I never said Zappe was the long-term answer, just he posted a 100 QB Rating, went undefeated, posted the highest point totals on the season and got benched.

If anyone could have done it... why didn't Mac look that good running the same system? You see the problem with logic this don't you?

Mac played well the game he got hurt against Baltimore. He himself was teaching the offense to his coaches. As Curran reported it got so bad Bill himself had to jump in and call plays.

So your guy zapp finally got the job last season and how'd he look? Did he make any all pro teams?

 

[Wozzy]

it has been pretty well reported on by numerous sources. the fact that you choose to ignore, does not surprise me.
I do agree however, there has always been collaboration, but Bill always maintained final say (as does Wolf currently)
that said, the prior collaboration, as reported, leaned more so on Bill's circle of friends and college coaches rather than his own scout personnel. Kraft was fairly vocal that once Bill started to lose, he needed to trust his own people

You've been in denial about collaboration, now you're slowly coming around... should be another year or so before you can admit it.

 

[sb1]

Imagine what Brady would have done... compared to a rookie?

You're a real deep thinker... not.

Ok... imagine what any good QB (which Zappe never was and never will be) would have done handed 6 fourth-down stops by the defense. I'm sure a lot better than 1 TD.

 

[Wozzy]

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Mac played well the game he got hurt against Baltimore. He himself was teaching the offense to his coaches. As Curran reported it got so bad Bill himself had to jump in and call plays.

So your guy zapp finally got the job last season and how'd he look? Did he make any all pro teams?

When Mac went down with injury against Baltimore he led the entire NFL in interceptions... wtf are you talking about?!

 

[Real fan 02]

When Mac went down with injury against Baltimore he led the entire NFL in interceptions... wtf are you talking about?!

 

[Wozzy]

Ok... imagine what any good QB (which Zappe never was and never will be) would have done handed 6 fourth-down stops by the defense. I'm sure a lot better than 1 TD.

Brady in his second year, his first as a starter not a rookie, ranked 24th in pass yards per game. He turned it over for almost as many TD's as he scored.

I get that you were twelve years old in your PJ's watching these games so you have an oversized imagination about his magical abilities... but you comparing the GOAT in his prime to a rookie is laughably misguided.

 

[rkarp1]

You've been in denial about collaboration, now you're slowly coming around... should be another year or so before you can admit it.

you refer to collaboration as numerous people making decisions. you have referenced both Kraft's, Mayo and Wolf all as the final say, depending on how it fits your narrative. that is not the case.
Bill had 100% total final say. Wolf has the same.
if reports are true, Wolf listens to HIS people more so than Bill had done, prior to Kraft publicly calling him out (which you refer to Mac as being Krafts draft pick decision)
no one has ever denied a group effort. only you deny who the final decision maker has been over the past 25 years

 

[sb1]

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Mac played well the game he got hurt against Baltimore. He himself was teaching the offense to his coaches. As Curran reported it got so bad Bill himself had to jump in and call plays.

So your guy zapp finally got the job last season and how'd he look? Did he make any all pro teams?

And Bill wasn't clueless he had to recognize in camp and preseason that the Patricia/Judge experiment was an epic failure... and yet he did nothing about it. Nice going coach.

The logic that it was all the QB's fault went out the door when Zappe stepped in for Jones and looked worse.

 

[Wozzy]

Yeah... he sucked and should have been benched for Zappe or Hoyer or anyone. He had three turnovers entering that game.

 

[Wozzy]

you refer to collaboration as numerous people making decisions. you have referenced both Kraft's, Mayo and Wolf all as the final say, depending on how it fits your narrative. that is not the case.
Bill had 100% total final say. Wolf has the same.
if reports are true, Wolf listens to HIS people more so than Bill had done, prior to Kraft publicly calling him out (which you refer to Mac as being Krafts draft pick decision)
no one has ever denied a group effort. only you deny who the final decision maker has been over the past 25 years

You've been in denial about the collaboration entirely.

I haven't once claimed to know anything except collaboration existed. I've very often made informed guesses based on evidence that emerged then and since... I never claimed to know.

You're above claiming to have read BB's contract... you're a delusional hater who makes up facts, like SB1.

 

[Real fan 02]

Yeah... he sucked and should have been benched for Zappe or Hoyer or anyone. He had three turnovers entering that game.

How many TDs did zapp have last 2 games?

 

[BUSTAMOVE]

Nashville is a great place to go on vacation, but it must be hot as hell? I’m with you on how to handle Maye. He’s 20 years old, they are installing a new offense, he has modest talent at WR, and the OL needs to both learn the new system and show they can protect the QB. Brissett was brought in for the very reasons stated above, he knows the system and how to run it, he can serve as a mentor to Maye for learning the system and all the adaptations within when facing real action, and he’s a veteran QB who won’t lose games for them. He may not be an elite QB, but he’s not a minor league QB, which Iones was, and Zappe is. They invested the #3overall in Maye to be their QB for the next 10+ years, and there is no reason to go and ruin that by rushing him out there because some fans don’t have the patience to let the ptocess of turning him into a winning pro QB play out. Let him sit and learn, and then put him out there when he knows what he’s doing, and the team is ready to start winning with him, that’s what will lead to the best long term outcome.

Yeah very hot
My daughter lives there
Took my Grandkids to see her
Water parks and pools everyday
I am all for easing him in

 

[sb1]

You've been in denial about the collaboration entirely.

I haven't once claimed to know anything except collaboration existed. I've very often made informed guesses based on evidence that emerged then and since... I never claimed to know.

You're above claiming to have read BB's contract... you're a delusional hater who makes up facts, like SB1.

Not one report anywhere that says Bill was stripped of his total control over the football ops. Game...set...match.

 

[Wozzy]

How many TDs did zapp have last 2 games?

I already posted Zappe's stats as a starter in 2022 in the tweet above.

You said anyone could do that... I mean Mac couldn't, but anyone else.

 

[sb1]

How many TDs did zapp have last 2 games?

Or how many points did Zappe's offense score against the worst defense in the league last year.
No peeking!

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