Maye shows improvement, Brisket still expected to start

[Patriot Missile]

If Maye is superior in every facet before week 1 and the oline has shown capable then It’s a no brainer. Start him. Unlikely but you never know. Have no problem with him sitting and soaking it all in. Worked for Rodgers, Love and I guess you could put Brady in there as well. Although they were working under star Qbs which Brissett is not. But we’ve seen a lot of back up Qbs who made really good Qb whisperers.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Who is the little guy next to Maye?

 

[Wozzy]

Who is the little guy next to Maye?

James Everett Jr, a private coach who works with receivers on route-running skills.

 

[Wozzy]

If Maye is superior in every facet before week 1 and the oline has shown capable then It’s a no brainer. Start him. Unlikely but you never know. Have no problem with him sitting and soaking it all in. Worked for Rodgers, Love and I guess you could put Brady in there as well. Although they were working under star Qbs which Brissett is not. But we’ve seen a lot of back up Qbs who made really good Qb whisperers.

Maye was more and more impressive in OTA's, if he continues on the same trajectory in camp and preseason I could see him taking the job.

 

[KCSVEN]

You are talking about experienced quarterbacks, putting Maye out there before they show they can handle would be idiotic. He’s 20 years old, has mechanics and an offense to figure out, and they have a ****ty OL, at least until they prove otherwise. The desire to rush him out there is a really bad idea.

Peyton Manning said his first year was invaluable to his learning process, he needed to play despite having a horrible team.
I get if you're sitting behind Aaron Rodgers for a year but sitting behind Jacoby?

Maye mechanics will be fine, he'll figure it out fast. That's such an overblown issue for him. He'll know the offense well enough, the guys bright.
I get what you are saying on a normal NFL rookie QB, I'm 100% convinced Maye is not a normal NFL rookie.
I guess I've seen enough of him to know he is special, and any issue he has from inexperience are more than made up for by superior talent.

Herbert started for a team coming off 5-11, was fine.
Chiefs may have lost a Super Bowl chance not playing Mahomes year 1.
Nobody needed more work than Allen and he played 11 games year 1.
SO, if the line "sucks" (because Jacoby sucks) we just sit him the whole year? How many games is it OK to play him if the O line has an issue all year? If it's more than zero than it needs to be 17.

I really can't wait until training camp, dude is going to blow Jacoby away and make them start him.

 

[Real fan 02]

Tyquan is going to have to don't forget about K Boutte either he could be a camp surprise with a NFL year under his belt. Should be some good competition @ WR.

Well noticed all the WRs were training but Boutee. You would think he'd be there as well. But yeah I'm expecting big things from TT.. his skill set is exactly what we need. Him, Baker, Polk, KJ.. pop. Now we got something.

 

[PatsFan2]

Peyton Manning said his first year was invaluable to his learning process, he needed to play despite having a horrible team.
I get if you're sitting behind Aaron Rodgers for a year but sitting behind Jacoby?

Maye mechanics will be fine, he'll figure it out fast. That's such an overblown issue for him. He'll know the offense well enough, the guys bright.
I get what you are saying on a normal NFL rookie QB, I'm 100% convinced Maye is not a normal NFL rookie.
I guess I've seen enough of him to know he is special, and any issue he has from inexperience are more than made up for by superior talent.

Herbert started for a team coming off 5-11, was fine.
Chiefs may have lost a Super Bowl chance not playing Mahomes year 1.
Nobody needed more work than Allen and he played 11 games year 1.
SO, if the line "sucks" (because Jacoby sucks) we just sit him the whole year? How many games is it OK to play him if the O line has an issue all year? If it's more than zero than it needs to be 17.

I really can't wait until training camp, dude is going to blow Jacoby away and make them start him.

Thank you: people really lowering the bar having Maye wait behind Biscuit. If that's the case we'll be talking about the Draft in week 4. Say it ain't so.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

Maye was more and more impressive in OTA's, if he continues on the same trajectory in camp and preseason I could see him taking the job.

Based on pre-draft analysis, Mac and Maye are coming at the problem of being an NFL starting QB from different directions. Mac's strengths of being an effective game manager who excelled at the mental part of the game allowed him to get on the field right away. As we are all painfully aware, his well understood physical limitations and unforeseen issues dealing with adversity prevented him from being successful. Maye, on the other hand, has all of the physical tools with concerns about his mechanics and ability to execute an NFL game plan. At draft time it was expected that the nature of his limitations would take time to resolve before seeing the starting role. He would definitely be ahead of schedule if he is ready to start coming out of camp. Even threatening to overtake Brissett and his NFL experience would be a great beginning to the Drake Dynasty.

 

[Wozzy]

Based on pre-draft analysis, Mac and Maye are coming at the problem of being an NFL starting QB from different directions. Mac's strengths of being an effective game manager who excelled at the mental part of the game allowed him to get on the field right away. As we are all painfully aware, his well understood physical limitations and unforeseen issues dealing with adversity prevented him from being successful. Maye, on the other hand, has all of the physical tools with concerns about his mechanics and ability to execute an NFL game plan. At draft time it was expected that the nature of his limitations would take time to resolve before seeing the starting role. He would definitely be ahead of schedule if he is ready to start coming out of camp. Even threatening to overtake Brissett and his NFL experience would be a great beginning to the Drake Dynasty.

It’s hard to judge because Maye came from a horrid college program and Mac came from the best team in the nation. I watched Maye at NC and he looked like superman doing all the work to make his team reasonable, Mac looked like he was a tourist on vacation playing toss at the beach.

Mac wasn’t a game manager, he didn’t make smart decisions, he couldn’t handle pressure but he aleo couldn’t line the offense up and point out pressures, he turned it over. He was a poor leader and had a reputation as a dirty player back stabber.

Maye doing proper footwork is repetition, drills, consistency. What I see in Maye, beyond more athletic talent, is leadership and positive approach. The kid is dialed in, Mac was flighty… and I thought Mac had potential coming out… still do.

Mac reminds me of Kirk Cousins before his balls dropped with Washington. He starts screaming and giving hell to reporters and suddenly he’s efficient and doesn’t turn it over as much. Maybe Mac nuts up one day.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Thank you: people really lowering the bar having Maye wait behind Biscuit. If that's the case we'll be talking about the Draft in week 4. Say it ain't so.

There’s no “ lowering the bar “ about it. I have the same long term expectations of him that I have had all along, I just think putting him in behind a bad OL, and before he fully knows the offense is a terrible idea. They signed Brissett for exactly this purpose, to play while the rookie learned the offense, and they fixed the OLine, they should stick to that plan.

 

[PatsFan2]

There’s no “ lowering the bar “ about it. I have the same long term expectations of him that I have had all along, I just think putting him in behind a bad OL, and before he fully knows the offense is a terrible idea. They signed Brissett for exactly this purpose, to play while the rookie learned the offense, and they fixed the OLine, they should stick to that plan.

Ivan: Maye can run he's not a Statue let him learn on the fly. Burrow wasn't behind a Good OLine early on I saw him running for his life many times. And I get the Biscuit thing but I hope Maye Beats him out.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

It’s hard to judge because Maye came from a horrid college program and Mac came from the best team in the nation. I watched Maye at NC and he looked like superman doing all the work to make his team reasonable, Mac looked like he was a tourist on vacation playing toss at the beach.

Mac wasn’t a game manager, he didn’t make smart decisions, he couldn’t handle pressure but he aleo couldn’t line the offense up and point out pressures, he turned it over. He was a poor leader and had a reputation as a dirty player back stabber.

Maye doing proper footwork is repetition, drills, consistency. What I see in Maye, beyond more athletic talent, is leadership and positive approach. The kid is dialed in, Mac was flighty… and I thought Mac had potential coming out… still do.

Mac reminds me of Kirk Cousins before his balls dropped with Washington. He starts screaming and giving hell to reporters and suddenly he’s efficient and doesn’t turn it over as much. Maybe Mac nuts up one day.

I was simplifying the conventional wisdom at draft time, that also included positives on Mac's leadership and intangibles. As you say there may be reasons that Maye's scouting report is not accurate. At least they are things that can be coached and learned. When the stuff hit the fan, Mac's negatives at draft time became reality and other holes in his game became obvious. You accurately describe the issues that came to light as NFL Mac emerged from the hope that he could be a good QB. Right now it looks like the scouts were right about Mac's limitations and wrong about his positives. So far it looks like those same scouts are right about Maye's positive attributes and wrong about his limitations. I will take that any day.

 

[Wozzy]

I was simplifying the conventional wisdom at draft time, that also included positives on Mac's leadership and intangibles. As you say there may be reasons that Maye's scouting report is not accurate. At least they are things that can be coached and learned. When the stuff hit the fan, Mac's negatives at draft time became reality and other holes in his game became obvious. You accurately describe the issues that came to light as NFL Mac emerged from the hope that he could be a good QB. Right now it looks like the scouts were right about Mac's limitations and wrong about his positives. So far it looks like those same scouts are right about Maye's positive attributes and wrong about his limitations. I will take that any day.

Good post

 

[mgteich]

Well noticed all the WRs were training but Boutee. You would think he'd be there as well. But yeah I'm expecting big things from TT.. his skill set is exactly what we need. Him, Baker, Polk, KJ.. pop. Now we got something.

Kj and the 3 kids are plenty until Bourne joins them. 5 is more than plenty on a run-oriented team.

Why would you want Boutte using up a roster spot. He would never be active. If he is injury protection or there for development, that can be done from the Practice Squad. No one is going to pick him up,

Finally, there are other choice if we want to carry a 6th WR (including Bourne). IMO, all are more likely than Boutte to make the 53-man roster.

OTHER CANDIDATES TO BE THE UNNEEDED WR #6
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Schuster
Thornton
Reagor

 

[BUSTAMOVE]

You are talking about experienced quarterbacks, putting Maye out there before they show they can handle would be idiotic. He’s 20 years old, has mechanics and an offense to figure out, and they have a ****ty OL, at least until they prove otherwise. The desire to rush him out there is a really bad idea.

Vacationing in Nashville. Yesterday I talked with a lifelong Packer fan from Wisconsin.
He mentioned Maye and Wolfe. Knowing Wolfe started out following the GB system.
He stated how GB always developed QB’s by waiting and learning.
He was a big proponent of the development idea with Maye.
Edit: I know this is not gospel. But GB has had good QB’s with the wait and learn game.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Vacationing in Nashville. Yesterday I talked with a lifelong Packer fan from Wisconsin.
He mentioned Maye and Wolfe. Knowing Wolfe started out following the GB system.
He stated how GB always developed QB’s by waiting and learning.
He was a big proponent of the development idea with Maye.
Edit: I know this is not gospel. But GB has had good QB’s with the wait and learn game.

Nashville is a great place to go on vacation, but it must be hot as hell? I’m with you on how to handle Maye. He’s 20 years old, they are installing a new offense, he has modest talent at WR, and the OL needs to both learn the new system and show they can protect the QB. Brissett was brought in for the very reasons stated above, he knows the system and how to run it, he can serve as a mentor to Maye for learning the system and all the adaptations within when facing real action, and he’s a veteran QB who won’t lose games for them. He may not be an elite QB, but he’s not a minor league QB, which Iones was, and Zappe is. They invested the #3overall in Maye to be their QB for the next 10+ years, and there is no reason to go and ruin that by rushing him out there because some fans don’t have the patience to let the ptocess of turning him into a winning pro QB play out. Let him sit and learn, and then put him out there when he knows what he’s doing, and the team is ready to start winning with him, that’s what will lead to the best long term outcome.

 

[rkarp1]

It’s hard to judge because Maye came from a horrid college program and Mac came from the best team in the nation. I watched Maye at NC and he looked like superman doing all the work to make his team reasonable, Mac looked like he was a tourist on vacation playing toss at the beach.

Mac wasn’t a game manager, he didn’t make smart decisions, he couldn’t handle pressure but he aleo couldn’t line the offense up and point out pressures, he turned it over. He was a poor leader and had a reputation as a dirty player back stabber.

Maye doing proper footwork is repetition, drills, consistency. What I see in Maye, beyond more athletic talent, is leadership and positive approach. The kid is dialed in, Mac was flighty… and I thought Mac had potential coming out… still do.

Mac reminds me of Kirk Cousins before his balls dropped with Washington. He starts screaming and giving hell to reporters and suddenly he’s efficient and doesn’t turn it over as much. Maybe Mac nuts up one day.

your analysis of Mac paints Bill as the biggest dope for drafting him.
Mac had arguably one of the greatest collegiate seasons in the history of college qb's. his rookie season showed plenty of promise. swap him out onto the San Fran roster under Shanny, and Mac is a qb on a SB contending team.

 

[rkarp1]

Vacationing in Nashville. Yesterday I talked with a lifelong Packer fan from Wisconsin.
He mentioned Maye and Wolfe. Knowing Wolfe started out following the GB system.
He stated how GB always developed QB’s by waiting and learning.
He was a big proponent of the development idea with Maye.
Edit: I know this is not gospel. But GB has had good QB’s with the wait and learn game.

Favre threw 4 passes his rookie year on the Falcons roster
year 1 in GB, he played in 15 games, throwing 18 td's and 3200 yards
I believe after that first year, he started every game thru his entire GB career, which in itself is an amazing feat

 

[Wozzy]

your analysis of Mac paints Bill as the biggest dope for drafting him.

The collaboration drafted Mac.

 

[sb1]

The collaboration drafted Mac.

The collaboration gave their opinion to Bill, and Bill went with it even though he had the right to decide differently being in total control of football ops.