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[captain stone]

I think it's interesting that Wolf has said he'd prefer Maye to sit and learn behind a vet for a while and Mayo has said that it's a competition for QB1 and Maye is in it. I assume Mayo has control once practice starts and I don't think this is real strife. I assume they've talked about the plan going forward, but there have definitely been times when the two are not on the same page just in this first offseason.

Wolfie’s thinking of the long-term future of the franchise; Mayo’s merely Thunderdick’s lap dog.

 

[mike_usagisan]

Wolfie’s thinking of the long-term future of the franchise; Mayo’s merely Thunderdick’s lap dog.

Right. I'm hoping the two are both successful and work in tandem and it's a big success. But the more likely outcome is when things go bad, Wolf and Mayo are going to blame each other and the Krafts will have to get rid of one or both because they didn't put one person in charge.

 

[Love The Drake]

Wolfie’s thinking of the long-term future of the franchise; Mayo’s merely Thunderdick’s lap dog.

I think Mayo is tuned into Mayes mindset and knows he wants to compete to play.
Plus as a previous all pro player he is always going to see it thru the eyes of the player.
Also Mayo may feel Maye can be ready, maybe he’s impressed Mayo with his maturity and how he’s taken to coaching that Maye is accelerating his

Could also be the Krafts preferring Maye to play to fill seats and sell more jerseys.
I think it’s a safe bet that Maye and Williams play overseas.

 

[mike_usagisan]

I think Mayo is tuned into Mayes mindset and knows he wants to compete to play.
Plus as a previous all pro player he is always going to see it thru the eyes of the player.
Also Mayo may feel Maye can be ready, maybe he’s impressed Mayo with his maturity and how he’s taken to coaching that Maye is accelerating his

Could also be the Krafts preferring Maye to play to fill seats and sell more jerseys.
I think it’s a safe bet that Maye and Williams play overseas.

Right, but the Wolf's point was both Mahomes and Rodgers were better because they sat and that's Wolf's preference for a rookie QB. If Maye starts over Brisset, I think we can chalk that up to a Mayo decision.

 

[Ross12]

Right. I'm hoping the two are both successful and work in tandem and it's a big success. But the more likely outcome is when things go bad, Wolf and Mayo are going to blame each other and the Krafts will have to get rid of one or both because they didn't put one person in charge.

At the end of the day Wolf should have final say over player acquisition, whether that is the draft or free agency, but Mayo will have final say on using those players on the field. So the division of labor is pretty clear, but in such a setup, invariably there will be levels of conflict in some areas.

 

[Ross12]

Right, but the Wolf's point was both Mahomes and Rodgers were better because they sat and that's Wolf's preference for a rookie QB. If Maye starts over Brisset, I think we can chalk that up to a Mayo decision.

I think if Maye legitimately beats out the other QBs that Wolf has put on the roster then it would be silly not to play him. If he wanted Maye not to see the field under any circumstances, a better QB than Maye should have been rostered.

Ultimately I think what will happen is Brissett starting the year and then Maye coming on after some number of weeks once he's proven himself and gotten pretty comfortable. It seems like a good compromise.

 

[mike_usagisan]

I think if Maye legitimately beats out the other QBs that Wolf has put on the roster then it would be silly not to play him. If he wanted Maye not to see the field under any circumstances, a better QB than Maye should have been rostered.

I can think of some reasons you'd sit him even if he is better. What if the line ends up being as bad as some people think? Then do you let the future of the franchise go out there and take the hits like Luck or do you let your inexpensive journeyman free agent QB take the hits while you improve the line and Maye's mechanics/decision making for a red shirt season?

 

[Clonamery]

I can think of some reasons you'd sit him even if he is better. What if the line ends up being as bad as some people think? Then do you let the future of the franchise go out there and take the hits like Luck or do you let your inexpensive journeyman free agent QB take the hits while you improve the line and Maye's mechanics/decision making for a red shirt season?

Yup. If he plays before November, you better have at least 2 IR'd QB's and a Head Coach getting treatment at the Lahey Clinic. Given the tentative strength of schedule and the Play-doh OL, you're setting the guy up for a David Carr experience.

 

[Ross12]

I can think of some reasons you'd sit him even if he is better. What if the line ends up being as bad as some people think? Then do you let the future of the franchise go out there and take the hits like Luck or do you let your inexpensive journeyman free agent QB take the hits while you improve the line and Maye's mechanics/decision making for a red shirt season?

I don't think the OL is nearly as bad as it's made out to be. LT is a big unknown, sure, but both guard positions, center and right tackle should all be between average and great. They've also added a lot of layers of depth at most spots.

 

[mike_usagisan]

I don't think the OL is nearly as bad as it's made out to be. LT is a big unknown, sure, but both guard positions, center and right tackle should all be between average and great. They've also added a lot of layers of depth at most spots.

I do think you’re right, but we’ve also seen how a string of injuries in camp can shift that thinking very quickly.

I’m not saying 100% don’t play him. I just don’t think it should be completely determined by camp competition without some thought to immediate versus longterm gains.

 

[Clonamery]

I do think you’re right, but we’ve also seen how a string of injuries in camp can shift that thinking very quickly.

I’m not saying 100% don’t play him. I just don’t think it should be completely determined by camp competition without some thought to immediate versus longterm gains.

And they haven't really all played together for any length of time to feel like they're a unit.

 

[Patsgofor4]

I’m happy with Wolf as the permanent de-facto GM. Mayo has me worried, though. Everything about him since his hire screams amateur hour.
Hope that I’m wrong and that he’s ready to run a professional operation and ready to stop talking about Bill and focusing on corny messaging when training camp arrives…..but I’d definitely feel better/more optimistic with a Wolf-Vrabel tandem.

 

[rochrist]

I’m happy with Wolf as the permanent de-facto GM. Mayo has me worried, though. Everything about him since his hire screams amateur hour.
Hope that I’m wrong and that he’s ready to run a professional operation and ready to stop talking about Bill and focusing on corny messaging when training camp arrives…..but I’d definitely feel better/more optimistic with a Wolf-Vrabel tandem.

I''m sure we'll all be happy that Felger seems to be agitating for the league to take a draft pick over this.

 

[BUSTAMOVE]

I wouldn’t trust Al Groh’s kid with driving the company van to the right airport.

It would be a short bus

 

[JohnJH]

Right, but the Wolf's point was both Mahomes and Rodgers were better because they sat and that's Wolf's preference for a rookie QB. If Maye starts over Brisset, I think we can chalk that up to a Mayo decision.

I understand the reality of the whole putting butt's in seat's/money issue of playing Maye (even if he earns the starting job), but I still believe that it's in Maye's best interest's and also of the Team and Fan's that he sit his rookie year so that he can receive the proper coaching (hopefully) and have a more talented OL and skill position player's (hopefully), by the time next year's free agency and draft have concluded.

 

[Love The Drake]

I''m sure we'll all be happy that Felger seems to be agitating for the league to take a draft pick over this.

Let’s fight him.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I think that is the rub. A GM runs the whole show and is over the HC. EVP of Personnel would give him control of the draft and free agency but not coaching decisions. Which IMO aligns with what Kraft has been saying he wants - Wolf and Mayo to operate in tandem as opposed to one guy acting unilaterally.

On one hand I think you are right about the distinction, and it matters because you could potentially lose them to another franchise if GM is delineated as a step up. However I think there are GM’s out there who don’t have the power to fire the coach, so they have the title, but not the power to hire and fire the coach. Brett Veach is the GM in K.C., but I doubt he has the authority to fire Reid.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

I understand the reality of the whole putting butt's in seat's/money issue of playing Maye (even if he earns the starting job), but I still believe that it's in Maye's best interest's and also of the Team and Fan's that he sit his rookie year so that he can receive the proper coaching (hopefully) and have a more talented OL and skill position player's (hopefully), by the time next year's free agency and draft have concluded.

Just let him get his feet wet in certain games depending on how things go. The Briskett usually gets hurt too so there's that chance to get him in.

 

[JohnJH]

Just let him get his feet wet in certain games depending on how things go. The Briskett usually gets hurt too so there's that chance to get him in.

Feet wet, SURE! Drowned, NO!

 

[Huckleberry1]

I don't think the Pats should be punished for it, but the Pats are at fault. They made it a sham. They made Wolf GM in everything but name back before the draft. Now they want to act like they didn't and are interviewing in good faith, when it's clear that they're not. That's the part I don't understand. Why didn't they interview and then name Wolf GM (or whatever) when they named Mayo coach? By lots of accounts, they had already made up their minds then and didn't need to see Wolf run the draft to be sure.

Disagree completely. They had just fired the guy running everything after 23 years, we’re heading into a really important offseason, and needed continuity in the front office to make decisions their staff had been working on since last year. And trying to interview for that role when they are in the middle of their current teams offseason moves is really problematic.