Mayo's saccharine SJW approach includes 'bro hugs' for the media

[50-yard-line]

I really don't care. He's 0 and 0. Just win Superbowls. If he goes Kapernick then I will get upset big time. The team Stands for the Pledge of Allegiance.

I think you underestimate how much that issue had on locker rooms around the country.

Cut them right down the middle.

 

[signbabybrady]

There are many folks on this site that can use a hug....

 

[signbabybrady]

I don't know if it's that or just the fact that he's tried to build up Tua and Tua didn't deliver. I think he's a player who the fan base is already starting to turn on, and if Miami finds itself behind both Buffalo and the Jets this year - and if we split or possibly [gasp] sweep them - it'll get ugly real quick there.

Agreed however who you back and how you back them often won't get separated from results.

 

[Brotherblues]

Time, energy, money, and the space in your very head, they're all limited resources. The more you divert those resources to anything that isn't directly tied to winning, the more your production will suffer.

I've seen how this goes before with other things I've loved. They all went on to get destroyed by people who wanted to introduce too many other priorities that weren't related to making a quality product.

 

[Ian]

Agreed however who you back and how you back them often won't get separated from results.

I read an article somewhere on how McDaniel went off on him about the fact Tua didn't deliver back in January (26-7 loss to KC). I didn't look at their draft, but you're talking about a depth chart that includes Skylar Thompson and Mike White. Not exactly an overly competitive QB room.

 

[Kdo5]

"Outraged"? No. Skeptical, yes.

I do agree with those suggesting Mayo be given a chance to sink or swim with his kinder-gentler approach. It's just that we've seen this sort of pendulum swing before in Foxboro and elsewhere. What it takes to win in the NFL hasn't changed -- uncommon effort/personal sacrifice and single-minded obsession with winning NOW with what you've got, even while building toward the future. I have yet to see Mayo speak with a sense of urgency about winning.

Ridiculous. Every head coach has an urgency to win. Their job depends on it more than anyone else.

 

[Real fan 02]

One of the things they talked about was Mayo's ability to reach younger guys. Bill could not care less about younger guys until they proved to him they could play as professionals. I would think Mayo is going to build his team by including these guys from Day one as opposed to ****ting on them.

Spot on! Bill said he only wanted to be around be he liked. At his age I'm sure he did. He was at the end regardless of how it ended. Yes ****ting on a player and taking away his confidence is a sure way to get your ass fired as a coach today. This isn't the marines or ARMY. It's professional football, and you need guys all in and feel like they are respected to maximize thier talents snd potential. Another thing of note Gibson, KJ Osborne said that he was won over by mayo regardless thst we hadn't had a QB as of yet. Even look at the players now when they talk they seem very loose and open not like they are soldiers.

 

[Real fan 02]

I don't know if it's that or just the fact that he's tried to build up Tua and Tua didn't deliver. I think he's a player who the fan base is already starting to turn on, and if Miami finds itself behind both Buffalo and the Jets this year - and if we split or possibly [gasp] sweep them - it'll get ugly real quick there.

McDaniel said himself on ESPN, that he went to tua's house when he became HC. He said that he wanted to build a personal relationship with him, and show him love, and support and that would help him grow as a player.

 

[Tunescribe]

I think the number one thing that needs to change - and as much as I love Bill - is the days of alienating guys if they struggle or make an error can't continue. In this day and age, that doesn't work, and this generation does require both discipline and encouragement. You can't just cast a kid aside anymore and hope that motivates him. These days, they go the other way and we've seen it enough in recent years when guys end up in the "doghouse" to know that needs to change. However, if they end up repeating the mistakes, then that's on them, and it's a different story.

To me, Ian, the bottom line is most players need a push beyond their comfort zone to excel. And for that to happen, they invariably must become motivated to do things they normally wouldn't on their own. In other words, "be made uncomfortable" for the good of the team. This is where coaching makes the essential difference. Perhaps that effort can come from wanting to please a coach who has demonstrated caring for you as a person vs. obeying a taskmaster, but it's human nature to resist having one's limits challenged.

I don't know if it's that or just the fact that he's tried to build up Tua and Tua didn't deliver. I think he's a player who the fan base is already starting to turn on, and if Miami finds itself behind both Buffalo and the Jets this year - and if we split or possibly [gasp] sweep them - it'll get ugly real quick there.

I don't believe the Dolphins are mentally tough and that's on McDaniel. Seeing them fold in the cold vs. Kansas City was telltale.

 

[203Pat]

Who gives a ****? If they win then it’s validated. The incumbent players certainly seem to like him because several took pretty good deals to stay on. If they have terrible years for 2 seasons and the rebuild goes nowhere then this stuff will look bad, but until then I really don’t care.

This is where I am at. I have never been a motivational quote/slogan guy. I have always thought all that stuff was for dorks to pump themselves up for something but when it came to sports I was always in the minority. All the rah rah stuff is great when you're winning and bad when you're losing but it doesn't really affect what happens on the field. Just win games and put up all the slogans and portraits you want.

 

[IcyPatriot]

I solidly believe under Mayo 'do your job' will mean more ... not less. This is not about coddling at all.

 

[Ian]

To me, Ian, the bottom line is most players need a push beyond their comfort zone to excel. And for that to happen, they invariably must become motivated to do things they normally wouldn't on their own. In other words, "be made uncomfortable" for the good of the team. This is where coaching makes the essential difference. Perhaps that effort can come from wanting to please a coach who has demonstrated caring for you as a person vs. obeying a taskmaster, but it's human nature to resist having one's limits challenged.



I don't believe the Dolphins are mentally tough and that's on McDaniels. Seeing them fold in the cold vs. Kansas City was telltale.

I think you can push guys on the field, that's not an issue. With most guys, when the pads are on and the bullets are flying, that's when the mentality is different. But I think it's the off the field where a lot of the other stuff Mayo is talking about happens. He obviously has the perspective of being a player, so it feels like he'll at least have a sense when it comes to trying to balance it.

We're in a strange spot given how things were when any of us played compared to now, especially in a world where social media and all the other nonsense - at least in my opinion - has certainly negatively affected this generation of kids. It's not like it was when we were younger. If you had a bad game, you'd get some grief from the coaches, maybe a handful of teammates, and some kids who might have been at the game watching.

Now, the whole world not only can comment, but it's sort of impossible for these kids to shut it out. Couple that with the change in the overall attitude today and it complicates things. So it's definitely a little different.

 

[SammyBlueCat]

I cannot wait to see exactly how this team performs under the new Mayo regime.

When I was younger, my wrestling coach would scream at me because...

I wasn't very quick!!!

I gather it would have been more meaningful if he had a solution.

 

[signbabybrady]

I solidly believe under Mayo 'do your job' will mean more ... not less. This is not about coddling at all.

He removed the signs would be odd if he then chooses to use the slogan more than Bill.

 

[Ian]

I don't believe the Dolphins are mentally tough and that's on McDaniel. Seeing them fold in the cold vs. Kansas City was telltale.

I think McDaniel went off on Hill for that, which Hill admitted and also even posted a video joking about it:

Tyreek Hill: Dolphins' Mike McDaniel 'Called Me Out' Over Viral L'Jarius Sneed Video

Not a great look, especially since all those guys worked hard hoping for better results, so they're probably not laughing.

 

[203Pat]

Mike McDaniels approach is already starting to wear out. We'll see how they bounce back from last season but the shine is off a little.

How so? They won 9 games his first year and then 11 games last year. He had the number one overall offense with a physically limited quarterback. They fell apart down the stretch due to injury not anything to do with McDaniel himself. I haven't heard a single player say anything negative about him.

I think the number one thing that needs to change - and as much as I love Bill - is the days of alienating guys if they struggle or make an error can't continue. In this day and age, that doesn't work, and this generation does require both discipline and encouragement. You can't just cast a kid aside anymore and hope that motivates him. These days, they go the other way and we've seen it enough in recent years when guys end up in the "doghouse" to know that needs to change. However, if they end up repeating the mistakes, then that's on them, and it's a different story.

That was the main issue with Bill. He couldn't seem to find a way to motivate and connect with some of the younger guys, mainly Mac. I didn't like the Mac pick from the start but it was clear the whole "tough love" approach that lit a fire under Brady was counterproductive to Mac's development. This new generation needs to know "Why?" They need to know why they're being asked/told to do something and the disciplinarian route doesn't seem to work. It might make some old timers mad but it is what it is.

 

[Tunescribe]

I think you can push guys on the field, that's not an issue. With most guys, when the pads are on and the bullets are flying, that's when the mentality is different. But I think it's the off the field where a lot of the other stuff Mayo is talking about happens. He obviously has the perspective of being a player, so it feels like he'll at least have a sense when it comes to trying to balance it.

We're in a strange spot given how things were when any of us played compared to now, especially in a world where social media and all the other nonsense - at least in my opinion - has certainly negatively affected this generation of kids. It's not like it was when we were younger. If you had a bad game, you'd get some grief from the coaches, maybe a handful of teammates, and some kids who might have been at the game watching.

Now, the whole world not only can comment, but it's sort of impossible for these kids to shut it out. Couple that with the change in the overall attitude today and it complicates things. So it's definitely a little different.

This has been discussed in other threads, but it appears the onus has been put on everyone else (often employers) to compensate for inadequate parenting. Heck, I even see it all the time out and about in places like the gym -- the unearned sense of entitlement and lack of personal accountability.

 

[Steve102]

McDaniel said himself on ESPN, that he went to tua's house when he became HC. He said that he wanted to build a personal relationship with him, and show him love, and support and that would help him grow as a player.

I don't believe the Dolphins are mentally tough and that's on McDaniel. Seeing them fold in the cold vs. Kansas City was telltale.

I think McDaniel is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY overrated as a coach. He's got a lot of shiny toys to play with on offense, but still couldn't manage a win in the playoffs. I think he got exposed down the stretch. While his approach makes for fun Hard Knocks viewing, I am not so sure it translates into winning football.

Watching Hard Knocks, the one thing that struck me was him, running off the field celebrating after scoring a TD at the half as time expired, and then remembered "Oh, extra point!". The HC has got to stay under control and prepare the rest of the team, players and staff alike, for situations that will happen. Bill used to excel at that. I think McDaniel is fun to watch, when he messes with fans "we are gonna run the ball" and all that, but he doesn't have the ice in his veins when the chips are down. Not yet anyway.

 

[Kdo5]

I think McDaniel is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY overrated as a coach. He's got a lot of shiny toys to play with on offense, but still couldn't manage a win in the playoffs. I think he got exposed down the stretch. While his approach makes for fun Hard Knocks viewing, I am not so sure it translates into winning football.

Watching Hard Knocks, the one thing that struck me was him, running off the field celebrating after scoring a TD at the half as time expired, and then remembered "Oh, extra point!". The HC has got to stay under control and prepare the rest of the team, players and staff alike, for situations that will happen. Bill used to excel at that. I think McDaniel is fun to watch, when he messes with fans "we are gonna run the ball" and all that, but he doesn't have the ice in his veins when the chips are down. Not yet anyway.

Honestly wish McDaniel was our coach. The man knows offense, just what we need.

 

[Wax Frog]

This is why we have popcorn