Remember Wolf isn't a GM, hes a talent scout

[One-If-By-Sea]

Nelson was 33 when he played for OAK and was in decline a year earlier.

Agreed and Nelson's Raider season was his 5th best season out of 10 in the league. Let's hope Polk is a lot better than Nelson.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Baker could not hack it at Alabama and transferred "down" to UCF. Never a good sign if the kid could not hack it at Alabama and now he has to elevate to compete in the NFL.

Are you applying this logic to all the transfers, or just Baker?

 

[Huckleberry1]

Baker could not hack it at Alabama and transferred "down" to UCF. Never a good sign if the kid could not hack it at Alabama and now he has to elevate to compete in the NFL.

Players are transferring all over the place now. Williams, Daniels, Nix, Penix, Milton and Rattler were all transfers. I guess Maye was the only QB who could “ hack it.”

 

[Wozzy]

Players are transferring all over the place now. Williams, Daniels, Nix, Penix, Milton and Rattler were all transfers. I guess Maye was the only QB who could “ hack it.”

Not for nothing, but one of the things that moved me about Maye was he stuck it out at North Carolina despite a bad coaching staff and bad talent around him... he had integrity and commitment. That's got to count for something.

 

[dliverey44]

Not for nothing, but one of the things that moved me about Maye was he stuck it out at North Carolina despite a bad coaching staff and bad talent around him... he had integrity and commitment. That's got to count for something.

Completely agree with this, He was offered significant money to transfer from UNC after 2022.

source: Drake Maye's transfer portal, NIL buzz reignited by Pat Narduzzi after Pitt coach alleges tampering.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Are you applying this logic to all the transfers, or just Baker?

To everyone who is a 5 star recruit that goes to a top 10 school and then transfers to a school playing lesser talent.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Players are transferring all over the place now. Williams, Daniels, Nix, Penix, Milton and Rattler were all transfers. I guess Maye was the only QB who could “ hack it.”

Not the same. You don't understand the difference.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Not the same. You don't understand the difference.

You’re right, I don’t, that’s because the difference is in your head. There are all sorts of reasons players transfer, and you’re projecting your reasons into one player for the sake of arguing, while giving the others a pass, when in truth you don’t know what their reasoning was.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

You’re right, I don’t, that’s because the difference is in your head. There are all sorts of reasons players transfer, and you’re projecting your reasons into one player for the sake of arguing, while giving the others a pass, when in truth you don’t know what their reasoning was.

 

[1960Pats]

My God you people need to chill the **** out. He drafted almost exclusively by need which was what he should have done and perhaps these guys really do pan out.

Dude can’t do anything right unless he 100% takes the consensus top of the big board player. Can we give the guy one season to see if his moves pay off before declaring him a failure?

The funny part is that some of those fans were the ones who watched the teams' record dropping every year for 4 years and wanted to give that HC a few more years to figure it out.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

The prevailing feeling is that we got a good haul but it could have been better. Polk looks good but we couldn't land Legette, then we turned away from McConkey and Mitchell, then traded down but maybe at that point we should've pivoted to OT and take Paul or Suamataia, then go WR later. Then we'd have at least definitely scored at OT, where now there are questions. Picks 2-3-4 seemed like our guy kept getting taken just before us, Wolf didn't appear to be navigating the board well, though I give him credit for the 137 for 110 swap which allowed us to get Baker.

And with the Robinson pick, aren't we all set at LG with Sow? I was looking forward to a TE at 103, there were several good ones there.

 

[1960Pats]

Curious to know which of those things aren’t true, other than the “you suck” and the “etc.”

I've got that.

The weather, pike, traffic, sox, bourne bridge and yankees do indeed suck.
Lynn isn't nearly as bad as people claim it is. There are some nice areas.
I meet tourists from all over the world and the us every week and they're great.
The north shore is the better way to get to and from Boston. There's more routes to take than from the south.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

The prevailing feeling is that we got a good haul but it could have been better. Polk looks good but we couldn't land Legette, then we turned away from McConkey and Mitchell, then traded down but maybe at that point we should've pivoted to OT and take Paul or Suamataia, then go WR later. Then we'd have at least definitely scored at OT, where now there are questions. Picks 2-3-4 seemed like our guy kept getting taken just before us, Wolf didn't appear to be navigating the board well, though I give him credit for the 137 for 110 swap which allowed us to get Baker.

And with the Robinson pick, aren't we all set at LG with Sow? I was looking forward to a TE at 103, there were several good ones there.

my guess is Legette was their guy. They reportedly tried to trade with the Bills for 32 but the Bills didn’t want to trade within the division. I think Polk was the next guy on their board.

I am fine drafting a WR before an OT because I think WR was more important. AVP will run a lot, use play action a lot, roll the QB out and I think that will help the line. I am not saying OT is not important, OT has a very high probability to be our 1st pick next year. But I think the AVP system will expose the line less than the system we ran last year.

 

[BTTA]

Seems like an emotional guy. Did you see his tweets? LOL Might struggle with higher competition.

Resilience, toughness, competitiveness, passion, dedication, etc. are all based on emotion.
I think what you are referring to is really a lack of impulse control and surplus of ****iness, which are an indication of emotional deficits.
Guys like that are either getting themselves ready to compete (fine) or avoiding their fears (not so fine). We'll see.

 

[festy1986]

Not for nothing, but one of the things that moved me about Maye was he stuck it out at North Carolina despite a bad coaching staff and bad talent around him... he had integrity and commitment. That's got to count for something.

Family school

 

[PatsFan2]

Seems like an emotional guy. Did you see his tweets? LOL Might struggle with higher competition.

Baker will have 800yds if healthy as a Rookie book it he's already very good.

 

[PatsFan2]

I think they can get by with 4 very good returning OL starters assuming they stay healthy… which they couldn’t last year.

Even with Okorafor they can get by with no left tackle by placing a blocking TE Austin Hooper over his outside shoulder to provide help.

Strange, Andrews, Sow, Onwenu is still 4/5ths of a great offensive line if healthy. They have good depth with Jake Andrews at center, Mafi at guard and Anderson as a swing tackle or potential starter. I just think the two offensive linemen they picked were a total waste of picks.

Wallace in years past is a guy BB would have drafted in the 5th or 6th round in the hopes of fixing him… Wolf seems to think he can start at LT… this is lunacy. Layden Robinson is UDFA material at best, the guy is too small, not overly athletic or strong. Terrible…

Cole Strange's brother the similarities??

 

[Boston Boxer]

Outside of Maye and returnee free agents... where is the talent?

everyone has a dead horse to beat...i guess this is going to be yours.

 

[signbabybrady]

That is not completely true. Kraft has said that BB did not have complete control until about 2005/2006, and there was a big shift, "different approach", starting in 2021 as well.

Robert Kraft says New England Patriots changing approach to NFL draft after recent misses contributed to free-agent spending spree

Patriots owner Robert Kraft, who spent an NFL-record $165 million in guaranteed money in free agency, said the team's recent drafts have fallen short and that he's seen a "different approach" this year that he hopes will lead to sustained success.

www.espn.com

Where in this link does Kraft say that? Bill had control from day 1 use the Brady/Bledsoe debate as an example Kraft wanted Drew but let Bill decide.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Where in this link does Kraft say that? Bill had control from day 1 use the Brady/Bledsoe debate as an example Kraft wanted Drew but let Bill decide.

Listen to RK's press conference when BB was leaving. He was asked about GM control and he specifically says in that press conference that BB did not have full GM control at the beginning until he earned it (about 2005/2006). Above I posted RK announcement that the draft approach has changed. BB had full control previously so if the appraoch changed that = BB did not have full control from 2021 onwards.

Full control of the draft and players on the field are two different things. We are talking about the draft in this thread, and you changed the discussion to whether Bledsoe was going to play on the field (a non-draft issue) as proof that BB had full control of the draft. You are confusing two different issues, full control as GM and full control as Coach (who plays on the field).

The narrative that BB had full control for the last 24 years is completely errant but posters keep saying and most people believe it.