Mangini comments on Newsday story

[ClevTrev]

Re: Pats CANNOT "Give permission"

You're on the right track, Rob.
But ... as another poster has pointed out ... "getting permission" is irrelevant.
It is not within the Patriots' power to give permission to violate a league rule.

Commissioner Badell already is on record that this is
a very important matter
of fairness and fair play.

The issue with this is whether there is any proof that the Jets did videotaping in violation of the rules this season. The reason being is that Goodell's letter to all teams prior to the 2007 season served notice that violations would result in punishments. Until someone can prove any team was in violation, it's unlikely Goodell will take action based on a violation prior to this season. I believe he feels his letter was the last warning, since so many teams were doing this, and provided amnesty to any team violating the rule in the past.

My guess is that nothing will come of this unless a team is found in violation this season. However, this is beautiful timing for the game Sunday, and I gotta think someone held this story for release this week.

 

[BostonBullit]

Re: Pats CANNOT "Give permission"

The issue with this is whether there is any proof that the Jets did videotaping in violation of the rules this season. The reason being is that Goodell's letter to all teams prior to the 2007 season served notice that violations would result in punishments. Until someone can prove any team was in violation, it's unlikely Goodell will take action based on a violation prior to this season. I believe he feels his letter was the last warning, since so many teams were doing this, and provided amnesty to any team violating the rule in the past.

My guess is that nothing will come of this unless a team is found in violation this season. However, this is beautiful timing for the game Sunday, and I gotta think someone held this story for release this week.

The memo was sent before the 2006 season. The proof is that Mangini just said in his press conf this morning that they did do it and it's standard practice.

 

[Patriotic Fervor]

Re: Pats CANNOT "Give permission"

The issue with this is whether there is any proof that the Jets did videotaping in violation of the rules this season. The reason being is that Goodell's letter to all teams prior to the 2007 season served notice that violations would result in punishments. Until someone can prove any team was in violation, it's unlikely Goodell will take action based on a violation prior to this season. I believe he feels his letter was the last warning, since so many teams were doing this, and provided amnesty to any team violating the rule in the past.

My guess is that nothing will come of this unless a team is found in violation this season. However, this is beautiful timing for the game Sunday, and I gotta think someone held this story for release this week.

Actually, I think it's just a case of serendipity. The Newsday reporter was talking with Michael Holley, and Holley mentioned it in an off-hand manner. I guess he assumed the reporter already knew about it.

Only, he didn't!

Doubtless thinking Holley was full of it, he set off to confirm this matter on his own, and once he did, smelled a story brewing.

The rest, as they say, is history!

 

[KoolAidDrinker]

They are violating ALL of the following "rules": These just reposted by Mike Reiss today.


Here are some of the league's rules regarding videotaping procedures:


In the NFL's operations manual, it states that "no video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches' booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game." Furthermore, all video shooting locations for coaching purposes "must be enclosed on all sides with a roof overhead."


In a memo to NFL head coaches and general managers on Sept. 6, 2006, NFL executive vice president of football operations Ray Anderson wrote: "Videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent's offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches' booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game."


In the league's Constitution & Bylaws, it reads: "Any use by any club at any time, from the start to the finish of any game in which such club is a participant, of any communications or information-gathering equipment, other than Polaroid-type cameras or field telephones, shall be prohibited, including without limitation videotape machines, telephone tapping, or bugging devices, or any other form of electronic devices that might aid a team during the playing of a game."

 

[ClevTrev]

Re: Pats CANNOT "Give permission"

The memo was sent before the 2006 season. The proof is that Mangini just said in his press conf this morning that they did do it and it's standard practice.

Ok, you're right. Up until now, I had seen references to the memo as being dated September 6. I assumed it was this year. I was wrong. Here's a portion of an article from the Boston Globe:

In addition, Ray Anderson, the league's head of football operations, sent a memo to head coaches and general managers Sept. 6, 2006, that read: "Videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent's offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches' booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game."

This indicates that no team can obtain permission to do anything other than what is allowed by the league. The permissible taping must be in an area enclosed by sides and a roof.

Clearly, the Jets coach has admitted to a rules violation. This does require action by Goodell. It's going to be interesting . . .

I can hear the questions all week, "Eric, is your admission of the Jets violating the videotaping rule a distraction in preparing for Sunday's game?"

How does it feel?

 

[BostonBullit]

Re: Pats CANNOT "Give permission"

Ok, you're right. Up until now, I had seen references to the memo as being dated September 6. I assumed it was this year. I was wrong. Here's a portion of an article from the Boston Globe:

This indicates that no team can obtain permission to do anything other than what is allowed by the league. The permissible taping must be in an area enclosed by sides and a roof.

Clearly, the Jets coach has admitted to a rules violation. This does require action by Goodell. It's going to be interesting . . .

I can hear the questions all week, "Eric, is your admission of the Jets violating the videotaping rule a distraction in preparing for Sunday's game?"

How does it feel?

it's not an accident that "the memo" never has the year givin when the story comes up...what has more bite, BB going against a memo issued 3 days before the infraction or 1yr and 3days before? drives me nuts

 

[ClevTrev]

Re: Pats CANNOT "Give permission"

it's not an accident that "the memo" never has the year givin when the story comes up...what has more bite, BB going against a memo issued 3 days before the infraction or 1yr and 3days before? drives me nuts

Unfreakin'believable!!!! It looks as if justice has been served with this recent news. We shall see, it discredits much of the media and self-righteous NFL team officials. Going to be some big-time backtracking and revisionism on this one.

 

[CTPatsFan]

Re: Pats CANNOT "Give permission"

Well that clears things up. Thanks, Eric.

 

[fourthandmiles]

We just need some StormTroopers walking around on the bridge for Jets cameramen and we are in business.

 

[CrazyDave]

Unfortunately, this story will probably not get any traction.

 

[PatsFaninAZ]

<<"Videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent's offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches' booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game.">>

Well, just looking at this seems to support Mangini just a tiny bit. What are "other locations accessible to club staff members during the game."?

 

[Wildo7]

<<"Videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent's offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches' booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game.">>

Well, just looking at this seems to support Mangini just a tiny bit. What are "other locations accessible to club staff members during the game."?

except for the "enclosed on all sides with a roof covering it" part

 

[PatsFaninAZ]

except for the "enclosed on all sides with a roof covering it" part

That language apparently comes from the operations manual. I think it's clear that Mangini has no defense to the operations manual.

But the famous "memo" does not apparently contain that language, and, at least on its face, the memo does mention sidelines but not end zones.

 

[Deus Irae]

That language apparently comes from the operations manual. I think it's clear that Mangini has no defense to the operations manual.

But the famous "memo" does not apparently contain that language, and, at least on its face, the memo does mention sidelines but not end zones.

Unless there's a heretofore unmentioned exception in the 'manual', Mangenius is a Mancheater. After all, it's about filming, not location..... right?

 

[PatsFanInVa]

“What we do at every away game is we tape our team from both end zones, whenever it’s possible. We always ask for permission to do that. Usually, it’s granted, provided there’s a physical space to do that. We try and get the same angle we do in practice. Anybody that asks us to do it, we extend the same courtesy. It’s pretty common, one way or the other, depending on how teams like to look at their game tape, and that’s really what it was.”

Note the tense. Should be fairly easy to prove.

Wait, but if they're playing in a domed stadium, does that have 4 walls and a roof?

 

[Dr Pain]

We have all seen the Jets employee filming at the exact same game. Their definition of the end zone is not what we think of the end zone but from the 20s. We have many photos of him doing it even from beyond the 20s. This is a total farce. It is a violation of the EXACT same rule. We in this forum all knew it when we saw it and posted extensively about it in September.

 

[Dr Pain]

That language apparently comes from the operations manual. I think it's clear that Mangini has no defense to the operations manual.

But the famous "memo" does not apparently contain that language, and, at least on its face, the memo does mention sidelines but not end zones.

Their employee was on the sidelines, we all saw the photos, just often staying in the redzone. How is that not the sidelines. We all saw the photographic evidence from the very same game that the Patriots got nabbed in. We all treied to get the press involved and they blew us off.