Bill’s first offer…

[sb1]

Wait for next year, we’ll have a good laugh at your expense. There’s no need to repeat yourself.

Kind of like the good laugh you promised when Bailey Zappe dominates and proves me wrong?

Funny how I don't hear any more talk about his "100 rating" or the Browns game in 2022 anymore.

 

[signbabybrady]

I don't know why some are pretending it is fantasy land where a 72 year old is just as equipped to do a job as he was when he was 52. I don't know if some of the older folks on here don't want to admit it but being 72 certainly isn't helping Bill's case.

Can't you just replace the year he last won and your whole statement crumbles.

 

[203Pat]

Can't you just replace the year he last won and your whole statement crumbles.

Huh?

 

[signbabybrady]

Huh?

I don't know why some are pretending it is fantasy land where a 67 year old is just as equipped to do a job as he was when he was 52.

My answer would be he could be 90 and in a wheelchair and he's probably still going to be more equipped than some of the coaches in the league.

 

[1960Pats]

Some NFL owners are plain brilliant.

The Seahawks and Panthers just gave unproven HCs 6 year contracts. Kraft hires a guy who never even ran his own defense. But, Mayo thinks GM Bob is a dog because of the way he rolls wearing sneakers with suits. Do people here realize that Mayo works for an 82 year old Codger?

Meanwhile, 60 year over the hill old Jim Harbaugh has won every place he has coached. The Chargers got tired of pissing away resources on young wannabes and finally nailed it. The Seahawks hired 60 year old Pete Carrol and won a Super Bowl 3 years later.

60 isn't even in the same ballpark as 72. That's why Harbawl and Reid are still coaching and Bill and Pete are not. And the age of the owner is irrelevant to the discussion.

 

[203Pat]

I don't know why some are pretending it is fantasy land where a 67 year old is just as equipped to do a job as he was when he was 52.

He isn't. He was able to do things pretty much the way he had always done them at 67. At 72 when he has to do things differently from what worked in the past he either can't figure it out or is too stubborn to change.

 

[TheRainMaker]

A team like the Cowboys really missed an opportunity here. Jerry is insane to think Mike McCarthy is going to miraculously win with Dak Prescott at QB. He had a way better QB in Aaron Rodgers and only made ONE Super Bowl appearance. Not to mention they lost their DC Dan Quinn. Jerry is not in a long term situation so he should've kicked McCarthy to the curb and let Bill run the show for a few years. He has nothing to lose as they are an automatic first round exit playoff team right now anyways.

 

[signbabybrady]

He isn't. He was able to do things pretty much the way he had always done them at 67. At 72 when he has to do things differently from what worked in the past he either can't figure it out or is too stubborn to change.

I don't get what you think he doesn't know now that he did 5 years or does he move around any different? Please explain how age has played any role the past few seasons?

 

[203Pat]

A team like the Cowboys really missed an opportunity here. Jerry is insane to think Mike McCarthy is going to miraculously win with Dak Prescott at QB. He had a way better QB in Aaron Rodgers and only make ONE Super Bowl appearance. Not to mention they lost their DC Dan Quinn. Jerry is not in a long term situation so he should've kicked McCarthy to the curb and let Bill run the show for a few years. He has nothing to lose as they are an automatic first round exit playoff team right now anyways.

I like Dak more than most I would guess and I think Dak, when playing at his peak, is good enough to win a Super Bowl. Mike McCarthy on the other hand I still don't think has adapted his game/offense enough to get them over the hump and holds the team back. I look at coaches the way I look at quarterbacks. Is he good enough to win a Super Bowl? If the answer is yes then keep him give him whatever he needs. If the answer is no then move on. I don't know why Jerry kept McCarthy on for another year when it seems more and more clear he isn't the guy to get them there.

 

[203Pat]

I don't get what you think he doesn't know now that he did 5 years or does he move around any different? Please explain how age has played any role the past few seasons?

Five years ago he was able to run the team pretty closely to how he ran the team when he was in his 50's. When a major change (Brady leaving) happens you need to be able to adapt and generally 70 somethings don't adapt as well to change as people 20-30 years younger would.

 

[signbabybrady]

Five years ago he was able to run the team pretty closely to how he ran the team when he was in his 50's. When a major change (Brady leaving) happens you need to be able to adapt and generally 70 somethings don't adapt as well to change as people 20-30 years younger would.

Got it so the only change you're going to point out is Brady. So it would seem to reason that with better QB play then Bill would perform great again.

Basically at any point over the last 20 years if we had to replace Brady with someone and the best we came up with is Mac then would you expect he magically would have won more games?

 

[1960Pats]

For me it's common sense and based a lot on what Mike Lombardi said before BB turned the job down. Rich McKay has been Blank's boy since he bought the team, been there from the beginning. He helped build a new stadium, he's been on the NFL competition committee forever.

It's hard to fire people you consider loyal employees, family... much easier to see if you can have both things. BB probably didn't see it that way. He and McKay don't get along, that's common knowledge in NFL circles. It was one way or the other.

If I want the truth about anything Bill I search out Mike Lombardi's unbiased opinion.

 

[1960Pats]

Got it so the only change you're going to point out is Brady. So it would seem to reason that with better QB play then Bill would perform great again.

That's not even close. Bill dumped a hell of a lot more players on offense than Brady with nothing to replace them with. It's too bad that Bill didn't look the GM right in the eye and tell him to keep all that talent instead.

 

[203Pat]

Got it so the only change you're going to point out is Brady. So it would seem to reason that with better QB play then Bill would perform great again.

Basically at any point over the last 20 years if we had to replace Brady with someone and the best we came up with is Mac then would you expect he magically would have won more games?

It is Bill's job to get the quarterback that he picked to play up to a level that would help him keep that job. Bill can no longer do that. When he was teaching Brady 20+ years ago it was a different league. It is clear Bill doesn't understand this current iteration of NFL offense and what will help a QB succeed.

If we gave Bill Mac Jones in 2003 instead of 2023 I think both would have had more success.

 

[1960Pats]

Bill does not work well with younger players anymore....it's age related. Next year would be more of the same. He's done.

Well, he's done here, but he'll be the most sought after HC next year. Everyone's going to want some of that BB magic.

 

[signbabybrady]

It is Bill's job to get the quarterback that he picked to play up to a level that would help him keep that job. Bill can no longer do that. When he was teaching Brady 20+ years ago it was a different league. It is clear Bill doesn't understand this current iteration of NFL offense and what will help a QB succeed.

If we gave Bill Mac Jones in 2003 instead of 2023 I think both would have had more success.

This might be the most hilarious thing I have ever read. Thank you for the laugh.

 

[signbabybrady]

That's not even close. Bill dumped a hell of a lot more players on offense than Brady with nothing to replace them with. It's too bad that Bill didn't look the GM right in the eye and tell him to keep all that talent instead.

But what about being 72 instead of 67 made this so? That's what we were discussing.

 

[venecol]

I think that all these stories coming out about the dysfunction in the Patriot coaching staff and in the lockerroom isn't helping Bill's case. We have players coming out like never before, talking about stuff that happened inside Foxboro. Players like Mac, Jack Jones, Trent Brown, Bourne, Meyers, Wynn, etc. It supports the narrative of his style being a disconnect with the younger players.

I don't think it's a coincidence that most of these players are on the O side of the ball. Teams are looking for improvements to their Os, be it finding a franchise QB & developing them or enacting a modern scheme to make them more efficient: WC > EP

Although 5 of the new HCs hired are from the D side, 3 of those were because of internal promotions or prior team experience. HC hires in order:

1/12 NEP - Jerod Mayo (D - 37): co-DC for Pats. Internal promotion to replace Bill Belichick (D - 71). Hired Alex Van Pelt (CLE OC - 53) as OC.

1/19 LVR - Antonio Pierce (D - 45): DC for LVR. Internal promotion to replace Josh McDaniels (O - 47). LVR expected to hire Luke Getsy (CHI OC - 39) as OC.

1/24 TEN - Brian Callahan (O - 39): OC for CIN. Replaced Mike Vrabel (D - 48). Hiring Dennard Wilson (BAL DB coach - 41) as DC.

1/24 LAC - Jim Hargbaugh (O - 60): HC for Michigan. Replaced Brandon Staley (D - 41). Hired Jesse Minter (Michigan DC - 40) as DC.

1/25 CAR - Dave Canales (O - 42): OC for TB. Replaced Frank Reich (O - 62). Hired Brad Idzik (TB WR coach - 32) as OC.

1/25 ATL - Raheem Morris (D - 47): DC for LAR. Replaced Arthur Smith (O - 41). ex-HC w/ previous ATL connection/culture. Brought in Zac Robinson (LAR QB coach - 37) as OC.

1/31 SEA - Mike Macdonald (D - 36): DC for BAL. Replaced Pete Carroll (D - 72).

2/1 WAS - Dan Quinn (D - 53): DC for DAL. Replaced Ron Rivera (D - 62). Hired Kliff Kingsbury (44) as OC.

Except for Morris (47) & Harbaugh (60), all other 6 HCs replaced older HCs. The ages of OC/DC hires are mostly in 30s/40s. There's a youth movement going on in the NFL coaching ranks. This couldn't be clearer.

The belief that the NFL teams will hire a 73 yo HC in the '25 cycle seems dubious. Especially with all the internal dysfunction reports and the way Mac was handled. At the very least, Bill would need to drop his requirement to have total control. Even then, will he insist on bringing in Josh, Patricia and Judge, none of which have a good reputation of getting along with the players? I just think that if you objectively look at the trends in the NFL market, it's very unlikely it happens.

 

[Triumph]

60 isn't even in the same ballpark as 72. That's why Harbawl and Reid are still coaching and Bill and Pete are not. And the age of the owner is irrelevant to the discussion.

60 isn't too old now?

Awesome.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

A league executive telling you a fact is not a guess… unless you’re just desperate to say “BB sucks” so you have to lie about it.

Then I guess you did not listen to it and just took the headline literally