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A little went public and there wasnt a big issue behind the scenes. Just some back and forth with teammates. Mostly bs not a big deal but it's there.


Again my big thing is I want someone who can develop these guys, someone that can help them grasp the tough stuff easier. Someone who can really watch tape and not only play to their strengths but also understand how a defense might react so they can adjust with specific built in options. Hold their hand when things get tough. You get the point by now.

If you feel that strongly you take the prospect but we all know how important coaching is to a young QB.

Anyway I really like Daniels. Going back to his ASU days he tossed beautiful deep passes. He's very good targeting the boundary in general for fades, go etc. Good accuracy obviously and has an arm. Arm isnt special but its more than good enough. Velocity could improve but hes got enough strength. Throws away from the leverage, protects his ball but gives his guy a chance to make a play.
His rushing abilities are outstanding. He's not Lamar or AR15 but he's electric. Speed quickness vision in the open field. He leaves his feet too easy and takes too many big hits but he's a nightmare for defenses. You almost have to play some type of 2hi/shell over the top but that'll inevitably leave lanes for him to rush. Balty never accomplished it bc they always end up hurt but pair him with a top tier back (Robinson, Stevenson etc) and "good luck" (Marco from Taken voice) He led power 5 in yards per rush and pass. So between his deep ball and rushing attack
he's already quite the handful in terms of how you would want to prepare for him. Very good on the move. Eyes stay down field. Accurate comfortable delivery doesn't change. Isn't a one read guy. Bright spot for sure.
He wasn't comfortable in PA early on in his career and although he's improved it stands out from from time to time. MOF/short area/intermediate areas are hit or miss. He's not avoiding them but not really comfortable. Occasionally his delivery looks disjointed. He's not comfortable digesting concepts in the mof, letting them develop, deliver with proper time. Longer he has to go from read to read the more likely the ball is to be incomplete.

For a OC I would someone really good at creating and designing explosive plays down field. Someone with a solid outstanding of how mesh works and how to get targets open in the mof with underneath routes. To make that as easy as possible. RPO/Designed runs. Put an exclamation point on his strengths. Let him produce how he knows. Make the tough stuff and weaknesses (mof, progressions) as easy as you can.

Caleb Williams really is a unique prospect in a lot of ways. He's not "generational" imo but he does possess a lot NFL qualities snd attributes.

His arm is NFL ready and really is what the "new" arm looks like. Like Baker Mayfield is similar to a closer in baseball. One or two pitches, mostly gas. Not the most versatile arm but very effective when on. Williams is more "whip" imo than arm. Very elastic, flexible and able to create power in short burst. Different arm angles. Ability to layer, thread the needle or drive it 50+ down field. Plus velocity and accuracy off balance, on the move.

His ability to make something out of nothing is well documented. Ability to escape is second to none. He brings it on himself a lot of the time but his instincts, anticipation and "feel" in the pocket is impressive. Very patient and aware.

Mobility and ability to extend are extremely impressive and rare but a lot of that is a facade imo. He needs (2023) 3.2 - 3.4 (2022) seconds to pull off these little showstopping moments. In fact that's the average time to pass so he's already in bottom half in terms of NFL QBs. You have Flacco, Watson, Stroud, R Wilson, Hurts, Mullens all in bottom half at around 3 seconds but half those guys can make it happen or could in Wilson's case. So you can see a path but still not where you want to be. Then you have Justin Fields on an island at 3.23. Most "time to throw" numbers are around 2.6 - 2.8. Anticipation was good in and out of structure. "Scheme" at USC was a joke though. They had big time OL issues and couldnt pick up a blitz to save their lives but that offense was awful to watch. Living off screens and short stuff, I mean living off them to try and set up fades, wheel routes over and over. On the surface it looked tailored to him and again they had personnel issues. So some of the pressure he dealt with was bc of that but that offense was a mess. Did him no favors imo.

Ball security is an issue. 33 fumbles over his career. He has a habit of holding the ball out too often. Again a lot of the pressure was bc of the OL but he has too get better here. Honestly coaching can help some but this is mostly in him. This was a coaching issue in HS. Now it's a Caleb issue. Pro coaches will yell at him but he'll have to make the effort and work on the details.

Down field and intermediate accuracy will have to improve some and certainly be complemented by targets with a plus catch radius, ability to go up and get the ball and catch through contact bc it's doubtful you'll see dramatic improvements. He will hold Saf, move second level defenders. He often makes things hard on himself but he's shown process, adjust and react with NFL-like quickness both mentally and physically.

Footwork is spotty and could improve but it's the price you pay for explosive plays and what he brings to the table. Release can be extremely quick and is made for an rpo system. Which he ran a lot of but again personnel issues. Too many passes where he made it hard on himself though. Would choose to "go with flow" while on the move instead of setting his feet. He does set up but not enough imo.

Slightly improved on mechanics the past few years. Which led to better trajectory on passes in general but definitely deep stuff.

Plus vision he wants to snd is always looking for a play, mostly big play but he's got eyes always set down field.

Maybe on the "small side" at 6'1 but built and looks all of 215.

Insane TD/INT ratio stats and accomplishments. Plenty of big game experience. Where almost everything was placed on his shoulders. Entirely too much. 6-8 against top 25 teams I believe. McCarthy is like 9-3 but only averaged 19 attempts I believe. Nix has a lot of big game experience but never really stepped up like you'd want. Maye has no games against top 10 teams I believe and his accuracy and comp% slipped a good amount. Daniels and Williams were asked to do the most and performed well despite the 6-8 record with little help. Daniels and Williams clearly don't mind the big stage and neither does JJ.

There is a clear path for success with his game. Loss of Addison and others hurt but he did a great job keeping his team in every game to a point. You're going to need a rockstar HC. He's going to be a therapist, creative play designer with personality and experience. Williams coaching really failed him in a lot of ways early on and his success is a testimony to his gifts not coaches. He wasn't terrible in structure but they gave him little volume there. Lack of creativity in play design or variation off certain plays was a consistent issue. He's going to need someone that can hold his hand but also have Williams respect. So he can set boundaries and principles from the get go. It's extremely important Williams respects the HC early on. You don't want to let him run things bc of failed HC's early on. We've seen how quickly things spiral. Strong foundation early on is key! Specifically for Williams though

I want to see your final grades in a couple of months after the combine is over. Mostly want to see a mock based on talent and not of positional need of teams.
 
Lots of good stuff here @Uptown ! Thanks for the updates.

#UptownUpdates
 
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IMHO, we CANNOT or should not wait until April to sign our starting 2024 QB.

Probably, all of the top QB's should sit out at least half the season, so a starting QB is critical, and waiting until APril will give us few options.

The rumor is that Brissett is our favored target. Of course, we could have others ahead of him.

Alos, I don't believe that the best strategy is to have a mid-level free agent starter, That will give us more flexibility in the draft. Also, have a couple of NFL quality OT's would also help that flexibility.
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If we like the top three, no flexibility is needed. We would just wait until our pick and perhaps try to extract a pick from AZ and then pick a QB.

Please no on Brissett, he is mediocrity defined. Where is this rumor from? There MUST be better options.
 
A little went public and there wasnt a big issue behind the scenes. Just some back and forth with teammates. Mostly bs not a big deal but it's there.


Again my big thing is I want someone who can develop these guys, someone that can help them grasp the tough stuff easier. Someone who can really watch tape and not only play to their strengths but also understand how a defense might react so they can adjust with specific built in options. Hold their hand when things get tough. You get the point by now.

If you feel that strongly you take the prospect but we all know how important coaching is to a young QB.

Anyway I really like Daniels. Going back to his ASU days he tossed beautiful deep passes. He's very good targeting the boundary in general for fades, go etc. Good accuracy obviously and has an arm. Arm isnt special but its more than good enough. Velocity could improve but hes got enough strength. Throws away from the leverage, protects his ball but gives his guy a chance to make a play.
His rushing abilities are outstanding. He's not Lamar or AR15 but he's electric. Speed quickness vision in the open field. He leaves his feet too easy and takes too many big hits but he's a nightmare for defenses. You almost have to play some type of 2hi/shell over the top but that'll inevitably leave lanes for him to rush. Balty never accomplished it bc they always end up hurt but pair him with a top tier back (Robinson, Stevenson etc) and "good luck" (Marco from Taken voice) He led power 5 in yards per rush and pass. So between his deep ball and rushing attack
he's already quite the handful in terms of how you would want to prepare for him. Very good on the move. Eyes stay down field. Accurate comfortable delivery doesn't change. Isn't a one read guy. Bright spot for sure.
He wasn't comfortable in PA early on in his career and although he's improved it stands out from from time to time. MOF/short area/intermediate areas are hit or miss. He's not avoiding them but not really comfortable. Occasionally his delivery looks disjointed. He's not comfortable digesting concepts in the mof, letting them develop, deliver with proper time. Longer he has to go from read to read the more likely the ball is to be incomplete.

For a OC I would someone really good at creating and designing explosive plays down field. Someone with a solid outstanding of how mesh works and how to get targets open in the mof with underneath routes. To make that as easy as possible. RPO/Designed runs. Put an exclamation point on his strengths. Let him produce how he knows. Make the tough stuff and weaknesses (mof, progressions) as easy as you can.

Caleb Williams really is a unique prospect in a lot of ways. He's not "generational" imo but he does possess a lot NFL qualities snd attributes.

His arm is NFL ready and really is what the "new" arm looks like. Like Baker Mayfield is similar to a closer in baseball. One or two pitches, mostly gas. Not the most versatile arm but very effective when on. Williams is more "whip" imo than arm. Very elastic, flexible and able to create power in short burst. Different arm angles. Ability to layer, thread the needle or drive it 50+ down field. Plus velocity and accuracy off balance, on the move.

His ability to make something out of nothing is well documented. Ability to escape is second to none. He brings it on himself a lot of the time but his instincts, anticipation and "feel" in the pocket is impressive. Very patient and aware.

Mobility and ability to extend are extremely impressive and rare but a lot of that is a facade imo. He needs (2023) 3.2 - 3.4 (2022) seconds to pull off these little showstopping moments. In fact that's the average time to pass so he's already in bottom half in terms of NFL QBs. You have Flacco, Watson, Stroud, R Wilson, Hurts, Mullens all in bottom half at around 3 seconds but half those guys can make it happen or could in Wilson's case. So you can see a path but still not where you want to be. Then you have Justin Fields on an island at 3.23. Most "time to throw" numbers are around 2.6 - 2.8. Anticipation was good in and out of structure. "Scheme" at USC was a joke though. They had big time OL issues and couldnt pick up a blitz to save their lives but that offense was awful to watch. Living off screens and short stuff, I mean living off them to try and set up fades, wheel routes over and over. On the surface it looked tailored to him and again they had personnel issues. So some of the pressure he dealt with was bc of that but that offense was a mess. Did him no favors imo.

Ball security is an issue. 33 fumbles over his career. He has a habit of holding the ball out too often. Again a lot of the pressure was bc of the OL but he has too get better here. Honestly coaching can help some but this is mostly in him. This was a coaching issue in HS. Now it's a Caleb issue. Pro coaches will yell at him but he'll have to make the effort and work on the details.

Down field and intermediate accuracy will have to improve some and certainly be complemented by targets with a plus catch radius, ability to go up and get the ball and catch through contact bc it's doubtful you'll see dramatic improvements. He will hold Saf, move second level defenders. He often makes things hard on himself but he's shown process, adjust and react with NFL-like quickness both mentally and physically.

Footwork is spotty and could improve but it's the price you pay for explosive plays and what he brings to the table. Release can be extremely quick and is made for an rpo system. Which he ran a lot of but again personnel issues. Too many passes where he made it hard on himself though. Would choose to "go with flow" while on the move instead of setting his feet. He does set up but not enough imo.

Slightly improved on mechanics the past few years. Which led to better trajectory on passes in general but definitely deep stuff.

Plus vision he wants to snd is always looking for a play, mostly big play but he's got eyes always set down field.

Maybe on the "small side" at 6'1 but built and looks all of 215.

Insane TD/INT ratio stats and accomplishments. Plenty of big game experience. Where almost everything was placed on his shoulders. Entirely too much. 6-8 against top 25 teams I believe. McCarthy is like 9-3 but only averaged 19 attempts I believe. Nix has a lot of big game experience but never really stepped up like you'd want. Maye has no games against top 10 teams I believe and his accuracy and comp% slipped a good amount. Daniels and Williams were asked to do the most and performed well despite the 6-8 record with little help. Daniels and Williams clearly don't mind the big stage and neither does JJ.

There is a clear path for success with his game. Loss of Addison and others hurt but he did a great job keeping his team in every game to a point. You're going to need a rockstar HC. He's going to be a therapist, creative play designer with personality and experience. Williams coaching really failed him in a lot of ways early on and his success is a testimony to his gifts not coaches. He wasn't terrible in structure but they gave him little volume there. Lack of creativity in play design or variation off certain plays was a consistent issue. He's going to need someone that can hold his hand but also have Williams respect. So he can set boundaries and principles from the get go. It's extremely important Williams respects the HC early on. You don't want to let him run things bc of failed HC's early on. We've seen how quickly things spiral. Strong foundation early on is key! Specifically for Williams though


Thanks BGC, really appreciate the information. I really like what I read and what I saw, but that’s a far cry from the time you put in evaluating these guys. As I have said too often by this point I would take any of these top 3 QB’s, and sign a bridge QB like Tannehill to let them learn for a season while they continue to build for the future. Given what we saw from the defense this season they can become a good team again if they make the right moves on offense. I’m really looking forward to the start of free agency to see what they can do to solidify some of their weaknesses, and because it means winter is that much closer to over.
 
Maybe? Would of loved to see McCarthy stay in school. Harbaugh ran a very game specific design that attacked opponent weaknesses. If you couldn’t stop the run he’d run it the entire game. A lot of 100+ yard games by McCarthy. Not a lot of good film on him. Has a nice completion percentage in his favor.

Again, could of answered all the questions by staying in school or attending the senior bowl. Although, not sure if that was an option for him. Should be a tell all for him at the combine and pro day. He has a lot riding on it.

McCarthy should have stayed in school. I wasn’t impressed by him at all in the playoff games.
 
IMHO, we CANNOT or should not wait until April to sign our starting 2024 QB.

Probably, all of the top QB's should sit out at least half the season, so a starting QB is critical, and waiting until APril will give us few options.

The rumor is that Brissett is our favored target. Of course, we could have others ahead of him.

Alos, I don't believe that the best strategy is to have a mid-level free agent starter, That will give us more flexibility in the draft. Also, have a couple of NFL quality OT's would also help that flexibility.
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If we like the top three, no flexibility is needed. We would just wait until our pick and perhaps try to extract a pick from AZ and then pick a QB.

Normally I wouldn’t want Brissett to be signed to be the starter, but in this case it would signal they are going QB at 3, and it would only be for one season, so I would be fine with that. It also leaves plenty of $$$ for the rest of free agency, which is also desirable.
 
Good afternoon Cousins, I have to agree with your post here.
Nice breakfast this morning of ham, American cheese, eggs on a large crescent roll with hot chocolate to wash it down.Then a couple of slices of tea cakes for an add.

Think "blue chip". Is Daniels or Maye a consensus blue chip player? Again who knows but I would give the nod to MHJ to be a shot for a yellow jacket. But............

We have too many holes to bank a whole Draft success on a rookie QB that looking at the tape, Williams is the only possibility, and going after him is too rich. You almost have to start Maye or Daniels right away for that Draft investment.

IMO a trade can be made while grooming a QB and a shot......just a shot ...at the playoffs next year meanwhile filling holes. FYI, I am not a Fan of this player but stats say his numbers are top twenty and he's only 35......and can maneuver if the OL breaks down. A poor Denver Team won twice as mant games as we didi for those who crush me on this post.

The Broncos would like to move up to Draft a QB. The News?.........They have even said Surtain might be available.

My Draft day trade would be with the Broncos if they pay some of Russell Wilson's salary, their #12 pick, OT Garret Boles (only 3 sacks in 2023) and Jerry Juedy plus their #2 on 2025 for our #3, Mac Jones and Schuster. Boles is in the lasst year but see what he does. Jeudy is expensive but only 25. Maybe Troy Brown can motivate him. He's a year rental. Again see if he works out. Now at #12 you can go OT or WR. At #34 Spencer Rattler who outplayer Nix and Penix Senior Bowl weel. That kis had the worst OL in the SEC and he is still going to be Drafted. Best arm I saw in Mobile. Have him sit behind Wilson.

Then you could offer Pittsburg #12 for their #20 and #52 Maybe change it up and grab front seven Latu or Byron Murphy. Rattler at #34 .Then OT Jordan Morgan #52

It's not perfect but we would be more competive, have a top 15 pick and get a QB who might be better that Nic, Pennic, McCarthy or Daniels who was under the radar. The Pats have met with him more than once doen there.

Perhaps Surtain interests you with Wilson?

The whole compection of the Patriots would be changed with this trade.

DW Toys


Well DW, I think it would give them a “compection” like say, Bo Nix.
 
Rumors suggest there's a good chance Pats pick Daniels at #3...
I'm still very uneasy about that. There is only 1 in 3 chance that a first round QB hits.

Daniels seems more mentally stable than Williams, and I'd much rather get him than Williams, but I still don't want to take such a big swing on a such a skinny running QB - who is certain to get hurt (more than Lamar).

Lazar seems to think Maye is the pick for the AVP offense. But, seriously, is Maye that much better of a prospect than Nix?

The 1 worthy advantage about Maye is prototype size. He is the Allen / Herbert of this draft. Big kid, good mobility, and strong arm.
 
Rumors suggest there's a good chance Pats pick Daniels at #3...
I'm still very uneasy about that. There is only 1 in 3 chance that a first round QB hits.

Daniels seems more mentally stable than Williams, and I'd much rather get him than Williams, but I still don't want to take such a big swing on a such a skinny running QB - who is certain to get hurt (more than Lamar).

Lazar seems to think Maye is the pick for the AVP offense. But, seriously, is Maye that much better of a prospect than Nix?

The 1 worthy advantage about Maye is prototype size. He is the Allen / Herbert of this draft. Big kid, good mobility, and strong arm.
i hardly can imagine maye being there at 3. I think the commanders will select him
 
i hardly can imagine maye being there at 3. I think the commanders will select him
If Daniels is there at #3 I hope we can trade down for more assets.

At least to #4.

As much as I like MJH or Alt, I would not want to draft them at #3.

That wouldn’t be maximizing the pick.
 
If Daniels is there at #3 I hope we can trade down for more assets.

At least to #4.

As much as I like MJH or Alt, I would not want to draft them at #3.

That wouldn’t be maximizing the pick.

NYG at 6, maybe get both of the 2nds this year.
 
Please no on Brissett, he is mediocrity defined. Where is this rumor from? There MUST be better options.

For this team I'm not sure there is....He has worked with AvP before, he has been in the league long enough that he isn't going to be thinking he is a long term answer, he should be a good mentor to a theoretical rookie. And mediocrity is a big step up from last season.
 
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