2024 NFL Draft Thread (Continued..)

[Uptown]

 

[Patriot Missile]

He catches back shoulder throws so well. He’s gonna be a weapon for someone if they use him properly

 

[mgteich]

Lose long time fans? Don’t worry about us long time fans, the ones before the Brady/BB Parcells/Bledsoe have been through some tough times and we’re still here. Get a grip, You sound like a broken harp.

This is nothing new. Folks simply like to complain.

Given our considerable insights on how to run a franchise, we also like to point out what should be done and threaten to leave.
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Let's look at 2024 and slowly this process has gone.

1) The patriots played their last game less than a month ago.

2) The choice of HC was almost immediately leaked, very necessary for those who refused to believe Kraft's past actions and statements.

3) The choice of interim GM was immediately leaked. Wolf and Mayo have probably met for hours every day. Groh might have gone with Bill, but it was rumored that he'd probably be here until the draft.

4) The DC position was a bit of a dance to allow the BB kids to decide whether they were staying. Did anyone think that Mayo wouldn't
make sure that we kept Covington?

5) As far as OC, almost a dozen were interviewed within 3 weeks. Clearly more were considered. This was simply not thorough enough for some.

6) Yes, we need more. There are already rumors regarding an Advisor for the Offense and a very experienced OL coach.

7) Much more will come this month, hopefully including run game and passing game coordinators.

BOTTOM LINE
This is progressing as well as can be for this first month. I expect the same this next month. And then, we will be ready to make free agency choices, with fewer shiny new toys for the fans, as has been the case for decades.

Perhaps, this should have happened 4 years ago, but that is another story. Belichick coached a 4-year transition. And now, we need to start again.

 

[slash83]

Kingsbury ditching Vegas to Washington has me wondering if they’re legit trying to move up for Williams now. If that happens Pats will have their choice between Maye and Daniels.

 

[Patriot Missile]

LOL, watching the new “Super Bowl highlights” on Nfl Network right now. What a hack job by the NFL editing the games to look like the rules today applied to old style football. Still scared ****less of the concussion exposure.

 

[Ross12]

Kingsbury ditching Vegas to Washington has me wondering if they’re legit trying to move up for Williams now. If that happens Pats will have their choice between Maye and Daniels.

Possibly. Assumes the Bears would take MHJ at 2 and not one of the QBs.

 

[The Gr8est]

Kingsbury ditching Vegas to Washington has me wondering if they’re legit trying to move up for Williams now. If that happens Pats will have their choice between Maye and Daniels.

Maye at #3 is a QB pick I could get behind.

If Williams and Maye go 1-2, I would hope the Pats could get value for a small trade down.

 

[Patriot Missile]

This is nothing new. Folks simply like to complain.

Given our considerable insights on how to run a franchise, we also like to point out what should be done and threaten to leave.
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Let's look at 2024 and slowly this process has gone.

1) The patriots played their last game less than a month ago.

2) The choice of HC was almost immediately leaked, very necessary for those who refused to believe Kraft's past actions and statements.

3) The choice of interim GM was immediately leaked. Wolf and Mayo have probably met for hours every day. Groh might have gone with Bill, but it was rumored that he'd probably be here until the draft.

4) The DC position was a bit of a dance to allow the BB kids to decide whether they were staying. Did anyone think that Mayo wouldn't
make sure that we kept Covington?

5) As far as OC, almost a dozen were interviewed within 3 weeks. Clearly more were considered. This was simply not thorough enough for some.

6) Yes, we need more. There are already rumors regarding an Advisor for the Offense and a very experienced OL coach.

7) Much more will come this month, hopefully including run game and passing game coordinators.

BOTTOM LINE
This is progressing as well as can be for this first month. I expect the same this next month. And then, we will be ready to make free agency choices, with fewer shiny new toys for the fans, as has been the case for decades.

Perhaps, this should have happened 4 years ago, but that is another story. Belichick coached a 4-year transition. And now, we need to start again.

My hope is if they were locked in on Daniels that they’d bring in former Georgia/current LSU passing game coordinator/wr’s coach, Cortez Hankton aboard. I’d ****can Brown in a second for that guy. Joe Brady worked out well for Buffalo from the same position.

 

[Patriot Missile]

Maye at #3 is a QB pick I could get behind.

If Williams and Maye go 1-2, I would hope the Pats could get value for a small trade down.

That’s the guy I’m zeroed in on right now. Love Drake Maye.

Watched as much as I could find on Daniels, he’s a great prospect for the most part. Just scares me for not coming into the top 10 conversation until a month or so ago.

Totally agree about #3. They take Alt at 3 without a trade partner, that would be upsetting. If that’s their plan they should of already fielded interest weeks before the draft for potential partners.

 

[JohnJH]

As much as we need a solid OL (especially at Tackle), there is some talk (which probably counts for nothing), that the team might draft an OT at #3 overall. If they do, that would be horrific and outright criminal. Because they can move down and acquire a pic or picks and still get one of the top 2 OT's somewhere between picks 6 and 8.

 

[slash83]

Possibly. Assumes the Bears would take MHJ at 2 and not one of the QBs.

I imagine if they pass on Williams they’ll pass on the other two and take MHJ, but just an assumption.

 

[mgteich]

I imagine if they pass on Williams they’ll pass on the other two and take MHJ, but just an assumption.

They would be passing up a large haul of picks to trade down.

The only thing better than being in the top 2 and needing a QB is being in top 2 and NOT needing a QB.

 

[mgteich]

Maye at #3 is a QB pick I could get behind.

If Williams and Maye go 1-2, I would hope the Pats could get value for a small trade down.

at least to 4 if they want Daniels and perhaps lower in the top 10 if they don't

 

[Love The Drake]

Ok I watched a good amount of video of the top QBs and here’s where I’m at.
Daniel’s is an absolute weapon at the college Level and had some amazing WRs.
I’m concerned about his frame and if his arm is strong Enough for the NFL. When he can’t run can he go thru his progressions?

Drake Maye Big kid big arm, but something to me isn’t there.
I don’t see many throws in tight coverage, I see him throwing deep balls to Tez walker and if we get Maye we should try to pair him up with Walker.
However I don’t see a lot of velocity on his throws they travel far but I’m not seeing him put the ball on a rope in tight windows.

I’m going to echo Harbaugh here, I like J J McCarthy, kid didn’t make every throw a deep ball, he went thru his progressions and he puts the ball on the money in tight converage. Throws on the run really well.
I saw some throws where it was Rodgers like. He is disciplined and he runs to set up his throws. When he has to run he is the second best running QB aside from Daniel’s.

Bo Nix I love the kid too, quick release, makes all the throws a west coast system would ask him to. Makes throws to tight windows with enough velocity.
Maybe the second most accurate QB in this draft after Williams.
Has played a lot of ball and keeps getting better.

If we do QB In top 3 I hope it’s Caleb or Daniel’s.
I would take Harrison JR or trade down.
However I think McCarthy is going to fly up the board and go in the top 10.
He has all the tools.

Maye scares me the most is he Josh Allen or Andy Dalton?

 

[Ross12]

They would be passing up a large haul of picks to trade down.

The only thing better than being in the top 2 and needing a QB is being in top 2 and NOT needing a QB.

Yeah but MHJ will go at #4 at the latest to Arizona. So they can either trade down to #2 with Washington or #3 with New England if they want to gain capital while still getting their guy. Of course, if New England is not dead-set on Williams and is happy with Maye then they have no incentive to trade up - they’ll know that the Bears will not take a QB and Washington will take Williams, so they can stand pat. Chicago’s only real play is to trade with Washington. Otherwise they’d probably have to trade down quite a bit more, which would net them a much bigger haul, but they’d miss out on MHJ. Of course, they have to sell being willing to do that to Washington in order to make that trade happen - otherwise, Washington would also just sit. There’s also the word that Williams doesn’t actually want to play for Chicago, which if true, means Chicago is kind of stuck trying to find a partner but with decreased leverage.

 

[The Gr8est]

Ok I watched a good amount of video of the top QBs and here’s where I’m at.
Daniel’s is an absolute weapon at the college Level and had some amazing WRs.
I’m concerned about his frame and if his arm is strong Enough for the NFL. When he can’t run can he go thru his progressions?

Drake Maye Big kid big arm, but something to me isn’t there.
I don’t see many throws in tight coverage, I see him throwing deep balls to Tez walker and if we get Maye we should try to pair him up with Walker.
However I don’t see a lot of velocity on his throws they travel far but I’m not seeing him put the ball on a rope in tight windows.

I’m going to echo Harbaugh here, I like J J McCarthy, kid didn’t make every throw a deep ball, he went thru his progressions and he puts the ball on the money in tight converage. Throws on the run really well.
I saw some throws where it was Rodgers like. He is disciplined and he runs to set up his throws. When he has to run he is the second best running QB aside from Daniel’s.

Bo Nix I love the kid too, quick release, makes all the throws a west coast system would ask him to. Makes throws to tight windows with enough velocity.
Maybe the second most accurate QB in this draft after Williams.
Has played a lot of ball and keeps getting better.

If we do QB In top 3 I hope it’s Caleb or Daniel’s.
I would take Harrison JR or trade down.
However I think McCarthy is going to fly up the board and go in the top 10.
He has all the tools.

Maye scares me the most is he Josh Allen or Andy Dalton?

I’m warming up to AVP.

If the Pats need to choose between all of these QBs, having him available to assist with the evaluation is huge.

Lots of differing opinions on this crop of QBs.

I hope AVP has the ability to advise the Pats to pass on any of these QBs if that is what he sees.

He has certainly seen and worked with a lot of QBs.

 

[ScottishPatriots]

If you draft a tackle at 3 your organization sucks and is clueless, that pick is too valuable, if you want a tackle in the first round trade with someone like Atlanta and moved from 3 to 8 and get a haul.

Someone will be willing to pay a premium to take Daniels/MHJ, picking a tackle at 3 would be historically dumb for a team with so many needs.

You have the Giants at 6 who might want a QB too.

 

[Love The Drake]

Ok I watched a good amount of video of the top QBs and here’s where I’m at.
Daniel’s is an absolute weapon at the college Level and had some amazing WRs.
I’m concerned about his frame and if his arm is strong Enough for the NFL. When he can’t run can he go thru his progressions?

Drake Maye Big kid big arm, but something to me isn’t there.
I don’t see many throws in tight coverage, I see him throwing deep balls to Tez walker and if we get Maye we should try to pair him up with Walker.
However I don’t see a lot of velocity on his throws they travel far but I’m not seeing him put the ball on a rope in tight windows.

I’m going to echo Harbaugh here, I like J J McCarthy, kid didn’t make every throw a deep ball, he went thru his progressions and he puts the ball on the money in tight converage. Throws on the run really well.
I saw some throws where it was Rodgers like. He is disciplined and he runs to set up his throws. When he has to run he is the second best running QB aside from Daniel’s.

Bo Nix I love the kid too, quick release, makes all the throws a west coast system would ask him to. Makes throws to tight windows with enough velocity.
Maybe the second most accurate QB in this draft after Williams.
Has played a lot of ball and keeps getting better.

If we do QB In top 3 I hope it’s Caleb or Daniel’s.
I would take Harrison JR or trade down.
However I think McCarthy is going to fly up the board and go in the top 10.
He has all the tools.

Maye scares me the most is he Josh Allen or Andy Dalton?

I think JJ McCarthy is Aaron Rodgers, Joe burrow like.
I think Bo Nix is a more athletic Jared Goff, or Jimmy G,
Drake Maye is a mix of Josh Allen Andy Dalton and Daniel Jones.
Jayden Daniel’s is an incredibly explosive runner, Vick, Jackson, but not as strong an arm as those 2. Arm is more like Rick Mirer, Bridgewater.

So I am firmly in the JJ McCarthy fan club.
However any of these will breathe excitement into this fan base.

 

[upstater1]

As much as we need a solid OL (especially at Tackle), there is some talk (which probably counts for nothing), that the team might draft an OT at #3 overall. If they do, that would be horrific and outright criminal. Because they can move down and acquire a pic or picks and still get one of the top 2 OT's somewhere between picks 6 and 8.

All the talk now is just noise. They're not going to really reveal their intentions. You say you want a tackle so that teams won't know you really want Harrison or so that teams won't jump ahead of you for one of the QBs you really want.

 

[venecol]

Yeah but MHJ will go at #4 at the latest to Arizona. So they can either trade down to #2 with Washington or #3 with New England if they want to gain capital while still getting their guy. Of course, if New England is not dead-set on Williams and is happy with Maye then they have no incentive to trade up - they’ll know that the Bears will not take a QB and Washington will take Williams, so they can stand pat. Chicago’s only real play is to trade with Washington. Otherwise they’d probably have to trade down quite a bit more, which would net them a much bigger haul, but they’d miss out on MHJ. Of course, they have to sell being willing to do that to Washington in order to make that trade happen - otherwise, Washington would also just sit. There’s also the word that Williams doesn’t actually want to play for Chicago, which if true, means Chicago is kind of stuck trying to find a partner but with decreased leverage.

I guess all of this assumes CHI doesn't want a QB? Listening to Poles in his presser, it does sound like they may want to stick w/ JF1. CHI only has 6 picks and no 2nd Rd picks.

If so, they could trade down w/ WAS who looks like they want Caleb (w/ Kingsbury @ OC) by simply telling them another team wants #1. WAS owns CHI's original 2nd Rd pick (#40) that I'm sure they'd love to get back.

They could do so again w/ NE. Of course by then, it'll be obvious they're not going QB, but if your guy is, say Maye, and they tell you another team wants #2 and you're only 1 spot away from getting your guy, wouldn't you do it? CHI could haul in two #2s and still get MHJ.

Of course, NE better be 100% sure that's their guy, which is of course never a guarantee.