2024 NFL Draft Thread (Continued..)

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Don’t give up any pick for Wilson. The reason Denver is getting rid of him is because he had a good running game and good receivers and he still sucked. He was a good player once upon a time, but Seattle went with Geno Smith over him, and Denver benched him and put Jarret Stidham in. And as Patriots fans we certainly know what that meant.

He threw 26 tds to 8 picks last year.

Seattle traded him because they didn’t want that contract, not because they favored Smith.

And he was benched last year after Denver was out of the running only because of the injury clause in his contract.

I watched him play. He’s the best of the possible vet gets. He’s 35 and not worth his massive deal, but if you don’t get a day 1 starter QB, Wilson is a great option for a couple of years.

 

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l Like your input Cousin,
I have a big problem with the top three picks......maybe Caleb escapes this scrutiny because he has some "playground" in him like Mahomes and Jackson, but he is frail.
The other two look "Christain Ponderish" ....like jammed into the first round.I ask my Cousins if they have seen the tape on these supposed first round QB's?
I am becoming a MHJ fan quickly. It has always been a mantra of the Draft. That should be MHJ.Maye and Daniels both have potential but filled with flaws. So wait.......I have seen Penix play. I have seen Bo Nix play. Better tape.
Penix has elite ball placement and only sacked five times last year. Might be there at #34.
If you walked away with MKJ and Penix or Nix as your first two picks now you are talking.

But I think the best play is Justin Fields who seemed to be coming into his own the last few months. He had better college tape and guess what....he has NFL tape. You own him for two years left. I am not a Fields Fan Boy. I see what I saw. Nyet on Maye and Daniels.

Hear is my proposal Trade Jones and our #3 pick for the Bears #9 pick and a 2025 conditional pick. Draft your best OT at pick #9 and perhaps get Leggett form U.S.C. at #34

Better odds doing this than a kid you could miss.
Thoughts?
DW Toys

So the Bears draft a guy at 11. He goes 10-28 and has a terrible QBR over 3 years, and you want to move down six spots in the top 10 to get him?

No thanks. The Bears would have to give back a lot more than that for #3.

Fields’ 5th year option isn’t cheap.

 

[Uptown]

 

[Uptown]

 

[jdlboot14]

Lions are proof that picking O weapons in the top rounds can work - right away.
LaPorta & Gibbs are the reason they made it to the CG.

And the Ravens (Lamar) are proof that hyper-athletic QB only doesn't get you anything. I'd rather have a decently mobile QB with accuracy and pocket poise. Bo Nix is the guy that doesn't cost a top 3 risk.
Trade down, and get a QB that will pan out as well as any of the risky "top 3" AND a high level LT & WR.

 

[Headcase]

Lions are proof that picking O weapons in the top rounds can work - right away.
LaPorta & Gibbs are the reason they made it to the CG.

And the Ravens (Lamar) are proof that hyper-athletic QB only doesn't get you anything. I'd rather have a decently mobile QB with accuracy and pocket poise. Bo Nix is the guy that doesn't cost a top 3 risk.
Trade down, and get a QB that will pan out as well as any of the risky "top 3" AND a high level LT & WR.

Mobility is more important than Running ability, they are different.

Mahomes is a mobile QB, scrambling, throwing off platform, picking up yardage that is there. Not alot of scripted runs. Has never had over 400 yds in a season. They help their OLine and WRs by extending time, and letting their WRs get open.

That is the type of guy you want. Not the guy where alot of their highlights are on scripted runs for big yardage, or that are bailing on pass plays early to run.

 

[jdlboot14]

Mobility is more important than Running ability, they are different.

Mahomes is a mobile QB, scrambling, throwing off platform, picking up yardage that is there. Not alot of scripted runs. Has never had over 400 yds in a season. They help their OLine and WRs by extending time, and letting their WRs get open.

That is the type of guy you want. Not the guy where alot of their highlights are on scripted runs for big yardage, or that are bailing on pass plays early to run.

Exactly my point.
I don't want Williams or Daniels because I don't believe either will survive in the NFL with their playing style.
Williams has bust all over him - just based on his emotional issues.
Daniels could turn out to be very good - but is very thin and could be hurt a lot. He's a 50/50 - at #3 is too risky.
Maye seems like a low end Herbert or Lawrence - good, average, hopefully gets the NFL speed/pressure/tight windows.
McCarthy & Penix aren't worth a 2nd/3rd. The rest are mid round gambles.
So, if you're going to pick a QB prospect with intentions to build - use a low 1st or high 2nd.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

 

[Huckleberry1]

Lions are proof that picking O weapons in the top rounds can work - right away.
LaPorta & Gibbs are the reason they made it to the CG.

And the Ravens (Lamar) are proof that hyper-athletic QB only doesn't get you anything. I'd rather have a decently mobile QB with accuracy and pocket poise. Bo Nix is the guy that doesn't cost a top 3 risk.
Trade down, and get a QB that will pan out as well as any of the risky "top 3" AND a high level LT & WR.

The Lions have a QB, the Patriots have the worst QB’s in football, and trading back in the belief that you will still get the guy you want is crazy, because if you think they are that good then teams like Atlanta, Denver, and New Orleans who all need a QB are going to take them before you get to pick. If they think a guy like Nix is a franchise Qb’, and don’t want the others then by all means take them at #3, but trading back and believing no one else will take them is completely delusional.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Keep on sucking, no matter what.

 

[jdlboot14]

The Lions have a QB, the Patriots have the worst QB’s in football, and trading back in the belief that you will still get the guy you want is crazy, because if you think they are that good then teams like Atlanta, Denver, and New Orleans who all need a QB are going to take them before you get to pick. If they think a guy like Nix is a franchise Qb’, and don’t want the others then by all means take them at #3, but trading back and believing no one else will take them is completely delusional.

Which is why I've been saying since Nov - that there's a much greater value in signing or trading for the best possible FA QB, and using draft on LT, WR, TE... if we want to win next year. If we want a grueling 3yr rebuild then take a risk with a rookie 1st round QB.
But, we just got done with a 3 year plan with Mac. How'd that work out?

 

[upstater1]

You can sign a FA QB AND draft a QB at #3

 

[Headcase]

Which is why I've been saying since Nov - that there's a much greater value in signing or trading for the best possible FA QB, and using draft on LT, WR, TE... if we want to win next year. If we want a grueling 3yr rebuild then take a risk with a rookie 1st round QB.
But, we just got done with a 3 year plan with Mac. How'd that work out?

I guess we'll see how Krafty feels about the 90 million guaranteed Cousins wants for two years.

 

[jdlboot14]

I guess we'll see how Krafty feels about the 90 million guaranteed Cousins wants for two years.

I'm not saying it has to be Cousins (which doesn't really make sense for either party - he'll want to go to a team ready to contend)

It'd have to be a guy that can could possibly emerge, break out, and win for a couple years... while mentoring a 2nd-3rd rounder.

It think it'd be chaos to bring in a starting-caliber FA QB and draft a 1st rounder. That's why Bill cut Cam in '21.

 

[Headcase]

I'm not saying it has to be Cousins (which doesn't really make sense for either party - he'll want to go to a team ready to contend)

It'd have to be a guy that can could possibly emerge, break out, and win for a couple years... while mentoring a 2nd-3rd rounder.

It think it'd be chaos to bring in a starting-caliber FA QB and draft a 1st rounder. That's why Bill cut Cam in '21.

Fine, I was just going off your comment of "... in signing or trading for the best possible FA QB". By any metric, Kirk is that guy.

 

[Toofy]

So the Bears draft a guy at 11. He goes 10-28 and has a terrible QBR over 3 years, and you want to move down six spots in the top 10 to get him?

No thanks. The Bears would have to give back a lot more than that for #3.

Fields’ 5th year option isn’t cheap.

That's a PR article paid by Bears. They are really delusional . They ain't getting anything more than a 3rd round pick or a late 2nd rounder.

 

[Rob0729]

Draft talk this time of year is pretty useless. If I remember correctly, this time in 2021, neither Trey Lance or Mac Jones were considered first round picks on most boards and Justin Fields was a late round pick.

I wouldn't be surprised if by draft time, Penix, McCarthy, and Nix are considered top 10-15 draft picks by the time the draft rolls around. I am already seeing a lot of the most recent mocks having Jayden Daniels jump to #2 above Drake Maye. A month or so ago, Daniels wasn't even in the top 10 in most drafts.

 

[jdlboot14]

Fine, I was just going off your comment of "... in signing or trading for the best possible FA QB". By any metric, Kirk is that guy.

100% agree - Cousins would be great here, and could win immediately with a re-loaded offense.
I just don't think he'd consider coming here now.

We'll have to consider guys like *Browning, Brissett, Carr, Heineke, Dalton, Dobbs

Browning is my perfect situation. Won't require a big $$ deal, has experience, and could still become the guy for a long time if all goes well... if not, he could carry the team for 2+ years while grooming young guy (maybe even a QB we get in '25 draft)

Jake Browning is Kurt Warner.

 

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That's a PR article paid by Bears. They are really delusional . They ain't getting anything more than a 3rd round pick or a late 2nd rounder.

Seems more likely to me that the Pats trade up to get the Bears #1 and take the QB they most want.

Not sure I’d like that (unless they think Williams is worth it), but I think the Bears want MHJ and can get him at 3.

 

[upstater1]

Seems more likely to me that the Pats trade up to get the Bears #1 and take the QB they most want.

Not sure I’d like that (unless they think Williams is worth it), but I think the Bears want MHJ and can get him at 3.

Williams is going to be an excellent QB but the Bears can get a ransom for that pick. Base minimum is 2 1st rounders, but could be 3 1sts, or 2 1sts and 2 or 3 2nds. There are 3 good WRs in the top 9, so missing out on Harrison isn't as much of a problem as people might think. Nabers and Odunze are nice consolation prizes. This is why I think trading up for Williams is prohibitive. So, sure, trading down to #3 is better than trading down to the Giants pick, but not if the Giants are going to cough up another 1st rounder. I'd go with the Giants pick at that point and take Odunze/Nabers, if I were the Bears.