PATRIOTS NEWS Mayo's Coaching Staff [Discuss Coaching Candidates Here!]

[EMpats]

Zac Robinson is the slam dunk hire to me. But we would obviously has a lot of competition for him. One way to get around that: PAY THE MAN. Pats are notorious for underpaying assistant coaches. Go out and get the guy, even the top offensive coordinators are paid like kickers.

 

[mgteich]

I’ve been a Mayo defender so this is his chance to prove his selling point that he’s a forward, innovative thinker. Running back the stale offense with Josh and Mac would be a terrible a lazy decision for this franchise.

I guess for most of you, the problem with the Offense has had nothing to do with
our horrible QB's
our weak set of WR's
our awful OT's
horrible play by the OL, partly caused by injuries
a year of Patricia as OL coach

For a couple of years, it has been clear that the problem is talent and the GM.

Now, the revelation comes. AHA! It isn't the talent or the GM. What we need to right the Offense is a position coach from the McVay tree of coaching. To be mild, I strongly disagree. We have been close or in the playoffs in 3 of the past 4 years. With a bit of luck and better personnel decisions by the HC, we would likely have been in the playoffs in one or two more of the four.

BOTTOM LINE
The problems have been talent and HC/GM personnel decisions.

AND AS AN ASIDE
Josh is by far the best choice available to develop a young top level QB. But, yes, I am fine with whoever Mayo chooses. If he does choose a young position coach, I would hope that we hire an Asst Coach or Advisor for the Offense.

 

[EMpats]

I guess for most of you, the problem with the Offense has had nothing to do with
our horrible QB's
our weak set of WR's
our awful OT's
horrible play by the OL, partly caused by injuries
a year of Patricia as OL coach

For a couple of years, it has been clear that the problem is talent and the GM.

Now, the revelation comes. AHA! It isn't the talent or the GM. What we need to right the Offense is a position coach from the McVay tree of coaching. To be mild, I strongly disagree. We have been close or in the playoffs in 3 of the past 4 years. With a bit of luck and better personnel decisions by the HC, we would likely have been in the playoffs in one or two more of the four.

BOTTOM LINE
The problems have been talent and HC/GM personnel decisions.

AND AS AN ASIDE
Josh is by far the best choice available to develop a young top level QB. But, yes, I am fine with whoever Mayo chooses. If he does choose a young position coach, I would hope that we hire an Asst Coach or Advisor for the Offense.

Part of the talent drain on offense is them trying to fit guys into an overly complex system that puts a ton on the plate of the receivers and quarterback mentally, vs newer systems that simply things and let their natural talent take over.

If we stick with McDaniels system, be prepared for a lot more failed wide receiver picks, and unathletic “processor” quarterbacks like Mac.

 

[PatsFan2]

Part of the talent drain on offense is them trying to fit guys into an overly complex system that puts a ton on the plate of the receivers and quarterback mentally, vs newer systems that simply things and let their natural talent take over.

If we stick with McDaniels system, be prepared for a lot more failed wide receiver picks, and unathletic “processor” quarterbacks like Mac.

Preach brother preach the point you can Draft athletic idiots and turn them into players. The Football field is not a debating society we are not saying leave your brains at the door here.

 

[Love The Drake]

Zac Robinson is the slam dunk hire to me. But we would obviously has a lot of competition for him. One way to get around that: PAY THE MAN. Pats are notorious for underpaying assistant coaches. Go out and get the guy, even the top offensive coordinators are paid like kickers.

I hate that.

Kraft can’t be cheap right now.

 

[PatsFan2]

I guess for most of you, the problem with the Offense has had nothing to do with
our horrible QB's
our weak set of WR's
our awful OT's
horrible play by the OL, partly caused by injuries
a year of Patricia as OL coach

For a couple of years, it has been clear that the problem is talent and the GM.

Now, the revelation comes. AHA! It isn't the talent or the GM. What we need to right the Offense is a position coach from the McVay tree of coaching. To be mild, I strongly disagree. We have been close or in the playoffs in 3 of the past 4 years. With a bit of luck and better personnel decisions by the HC, we would likely have been in the playoffs in one or two more of the four.

BOTTOM LINE
The problems have been talent and HC/GM personnel decisions.

AND AS AN ASIDE
Josh is by far the best choice available to develop a young top level QB. But, yes, I am fine with whoever Mayo chooses. If he does choose a young position coach, I would hope that we hire an Asst Coach or Advisor for the Offense.

After the way he left Vegas no thanks.

 

[Ross12]

After the way he left Vegas no thanks.

Thing is - the issues for McDaniels in Vegas largely had to do with how he wanted to build his culture as the guy in charge. He won't be in charge in NE, and Mayo is clearly seeking to have a slightly different culture than what Belichick had.

Josh wanted to move on from Carr. People bashed him for it, but Carr got a big deal in NO and didn't look very good. He was right. He rolled the dice on Jimmy but unfortunately lost. I think he likely had Brady as his Plan A and then when that didn't happen it was a series of duct taped alterations. Aidan O'Connell was an OK attempt but I'm sure he was probably planning to go for a better QB in 2024 - he was most likely blindsided by getting canned.

Fact of the matter is, he's good with QBs. NE needs a new one and they need to develop him the right way. Is his offense the hottest choice? No, but it gets the job done. I don't think we should be upset if the team doesn't swing for the fences and overhaul the offense immediately. It sounds sexy, but what if it doesn't work out? The QB flames out, the players they already have are poor fits? Josh would be a safe pick that focuses on making sure a new QB starts off on the right foot and they can ideally get back to being around a top 16-20 or so offense while maintaining a great defense. Then they build from there.

 

[PatsFan2]

Thing is - the issues for McDaniels in Vegas largely had to do with how he wanted to build his culture as the guy in charge. He won't be in charge in NE, and Mayo is clearly seeking to have a slightly different culture than what Belichick had.

Josh wanted to move on from Carr. People bashed him for it, but Carr got a big deal in NO and didn't look very good. He was right. He rolled the dice on Jimmy but unfortunately lost. I think he likely had Brady as his Plan A and then when that didn't happen it was a series of duct taped alterations. Aidan O'Connell was an OK attempt but I'm sure he was probably planning to go for a better QB in 2024 - he was most likely blindsided by getting canned.

Fact of the matter is, he's good with QBs. NE needs a new one and they need to develop him the right way. Is his offense the hottest choice? No, but it gets the job done. I don't think we should be upset if the team doesn't swing for the fences and overhaul the offense immediately. It sounds sexy, but what if it doesn't work out? The QB flames out, the players they already have are poor fits? Josh would be a safe pick that focuses on making sure a new QB starts off on the right foot and they can ideally get back to being around a top 16-20 or so offense while maintaining a great defense. Then they build from there.

Hard pass Ross I like others in this century. This is a copycat League the Shanahan/McVay systems is where it's at.

 

[ZotZot]

Thing is - the issues for McDaniels in Vegas largely had to do with how he wanted to build his culture as the guy in charge. He won't be in charge in NE, and Mayo is clearly seeking to have a slightly different culture than what Belichick had.

Josh wanted to move on from Carr. People bashed him for it, but Carr got a big deal in NO and didn't look very good. He was right. He rolled the dice on Jimmy but unfortunately lost. I think he likely had Brady as his Plan A and then when that didn't happen it was a series of duct taped alterations. Aidan O'Connell was an OK attempt but I'm sure he was probably planning to go for a better QB in 2024 - he was most likely blindsided by getting canned.

Fact of the matter is, he's good with QBs. NE needs a new one and they need to develop him the right way. Is his offense the hottest choice? No, but it gets the job done. I don't think we should be upset if the team doesn't swing for the fences and overhaul the offense immediately. It sounds sexy, but what if it doesn't work out? The QB flames out, the players they already have are poor fits? Josh would be a safe pick that focuses on making sure a new QB starts off on the right foot and they can ideally get back to being around a top 16-20 or so offense while maintaining a great defense. Then they build from there.

Hell, Josh's assessment of Cutler was spot-on, CHI had one of the best defenses of the last 2 decades and good to pretty good offensive talent and couldn't push through w/Cutler. Josh just never had a good backup plan when he gets rid of QBs, as long as he doesn't have personal control he will be fine. Plus they will most definitely add new blood underneath Josh to provide new ideas if he is the OC

 

[Ross12]

Hell, Josh's assessment of Cutler was spot-on, CHI had one of the best defenses of the last 2 decades and good to pretty good offensive talent. As long as Josh just never had a good backup plan when he gets rid of QBs, as long as he doesn't have personal control he will be fine. Plus they will most definitely add new blood underneath Josh to provide new ideas if he is the OC

Yeah that is the funny thing about both Vegas and Denver. In both situations he went to a team that had a "Good QB" that he decided wasn't actually very good and got rid of that guy, he was massively panned by the media, but then was dumped a few games into his second season with the team, before he could necessarily make a lot of progress on replacing that guy and building anything. Then, after the fact, he was proven correct on both QBs that were supposedly so good.

He definitely made mistakes in trying to build his culture otherwise. But I do think he gets a little bit too much hate in some regards.

 

[mike_usagisan]

Is there any positive to with Josh that you're not going the McVay route and competing for all the same players and coaches as 90% of the rest of the league who want to clone McVay?

 

[ZotZot]

The real positive is that Josh won't be leaving for a long time if hired. It would take a lot of good coaching for him to even get rumored to be in the running for an HC job

 

[EMpats]

If it is Josh, he NEEDS to be willing to adapt his offense to take mental load off the receivers, and build packages around the athleticism of someone like Daniels.

If he’s as stuck in his ways as BB, it will be a problem.

 

[venecol]

Zac Robinson is the slam dunk hire to me. But we would obviously has a lot of competition for him. One way to get around that: PAY THE MAN. Pats are BILL was notorious for underpaying assistant coaches. Go out and get the guy, even the top offensive coordinators are paid like kickers.

FIFY

 

[Love The Drake]

FIFY

I don’t think it was Bills doing.
Starting to think it’s Kraft.

 

[mike_usagisan]

If it is Josh, he NEEDS to be willing to adapt his offense to take mental load off the receivers, and build packages around the athleticism of someone like Daniels.

If he’s as stuck in his ways as BB, it will be a problem.

I thought he designed runs for Cam? I'm assuming he could do that for Daniels, too.

 

[venecol]

For a couple of years, it has been clear that the problem is talent and the GM.

Now, the revelation comes. AHA! It isn't the talent or the GM. What we need to right the Offense is a position coach from the McVay tree of coaching. To be mild, I strongly disagree. We have been close or in the playoffs in 3 of the past 4 years. With a bit of luck and better personnel decisions by the HC, we would likely have been in the playoffs in one or two more of the four.

BOTTOM LINE
The problems have been talent and HC/GM personnel decisions.

AND AS AN ASIDE
Josh is by far the best choice available to develop a young top level QB. But, yes, I am fine with whoever Mayo chooses. If he does choose a young position coach, I would hope that we hire an Asst Coach or Advisor for the Offense.

 

[Love The Drake]

The fact we’ve hired non offensive coaches is incredibly concerning.
If free agency moves like this OMG.

 

[venecol]

I don’t think it was Bills doing.
Starting to think it’s Kraft.

Nope. Bill asked for a budget for the coaches, took 90% of it for himself, then would go around handing out "money balls" to his underpaid assistants as a reward for working 120 hour weeks. The entire league knew this. Nobody ran the coaching staff the way Bill the dictator did. No wonder, out of the gate, several teams flat out said they weren't interested. Bill is a dinosaur, who lucked out with Brady, and became even more intolerable after arrogantly forcing him to walk away.

Blank was the only one that appeared to be interested. Flew him to his yacht in the US Virgin Islands. Gave him a 2nd interview before anyone else. Then proceeded to have half a dozen 1st and 2nd interviews after everyone (incl. @upstater1 immediate family member) swore it was Bill's job. It was a done deal. Classic troll job. Lol

 

[Hammer of Thor]

If it is Josh, he NEEDS to be willing to adapt his offense to take mental load off the receivers, and build packages around the athleticism of someone like Daniels.

If he’s as stuck in his ways as BB, it will be a problem.

This is where his experience in Denver and Vegas can answer that question. What did his offenses look like there, when left to his own devices? I can’t say I watched enough of them to know. I do know that he pulled Miami’s wildcat (that he called wild horse) against us in 2009 with Orton.