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[Love The Drake]

What do you mean? Josh is pocketing $40 M over the next 4 years. I don’t know anything about Caley’s contract.

Caley as OC Mcdaniels as offensive advisor.

 

[Zuma]

Caley as OC Mcdaniels as offensive advisor.

Yeah I don’t know

 

[PowerRunRevival]

Really shocked the Falcons didn’t hire Bill. Bummed that, Morris in Atlanta could mean the Pats don’t switch the the McVay offensive system.

Happy that no Bill in Atlanta could mean Steve Belichick is the DC.

 

[PatsfanTN]

You sure about that?

I’m 100% not sure….but hoping he’s not.

 

[venecol]

I know he's old, but I hear Bill Belichick is available....

 

[Lagaffe_07]

McDaniels would bring head coach experience and has a much wider coaching network than Mayo does. The EP offense is harder on a QB mentally but probably a better fit for Jayden Daniels than the McVay system, and a better fit for Pop Douglas too.

I don’t want Mayo to learn from McDaniels as HC.

The EP offense in NE is too complicated. Put too much on the QB and the WR. This system would absolutely not be a better fit for Daniels. One of his flows is that he is not really a quick processor which probably one of the most important trait to run the Patriots system.

The advantage of a McVay/Shanahan system is that they move the pocket which protect the OL and often only have half field read which put less on the plate of QB.

The Patriots offensive system only make sense with Tom Brady but make 0 sense for the new modern QBs.

 

[PatsFan2]

I don’t want Mayo to learn from McDaniels as HC.

The EP offense in NE is too complicated. Put too much on the QB and the WR. This system would absolutely not be a better fit for Daniels. One of his flows is that he is not really a quick processor which probably one of the most important trait to run the Patriots system.

The advantage of a McVay/Shanahan system is that they move the pocket which protect the OL and often only have half field read which put less on the plate of QB.

The Patriots offensive system only make sense with Tom Brady but make 0 sense for the new modern QBs.

*Ding* *ding* *ding* I don't want that BB stooge either he was obviously waiting for his Master to get a hire not happening Josh. Mayo don't give that lemming the time of day Get Nick Caley please.

 

[PatsFan2]

Let the facts remain we have an unattractive Offensive situation. OC's might be weighing their options and I don't blame em nice job BB.

 

[KCSVEN]

Let the facts remain we have an unattractive Offensive situation. OC's might be weighing their options and I don't blame em nice job BB.

Texans had the 30th ranked offense in 2022, Patriots had 31st rank offense in 2023. The Texans OC, after 1 year is in the running to be a head coach. Eric Bienemy is not getting anywhere near being a head coach and ran the top offense for years.
If you want to further your career you don't want to go to a "great" situation necessarily, you want to go somewhere that you can turn things around and have people talk about how much better the offense is with you. How YOU developed a QB etc.
Your upside as a Patriots OC is pretty high, Washington is probably the only open OC position slightly better because they have the #2 pick and not #3.
Where else can they go and not end up in obscurity? Saints? Nope Steelers? Nope Raider? Nope Bills? not obscure but your not getting credit for Josh Allen, Chargers? That would be Harbaugh and Herbert with credit and on and on.

Pretty much for appeal it's Commanders and then Patriots if you care about being a head coach someday.

 

[mgteich]

Texans had the 30th ranked offense in 2022, Patriots had 31st rank offense in 2023. The Texans OC, after 1 year is in the running to be a head coach. Eric Bienemy is not getting anywhere near being a head coach and ran the top offense for years.
If you want to further your career you don't want to go to a "great" situation necessarily, you want to go somewhere that you can turn things around and have people talk about how much better the offense is with you. How YOU developed a QB etc.
Your upside as a Patriots OC is pretty high, Washington is probably the only open OC position slightly better because they have the #2 pick and not #3.
Where else can they go and not end up in obscurity? Saints? Nope Steelers? Nope Raider? Nope Bills? not obscure but your not getting credit for Josh Allen, Chargers? That would be Harbaugh and Herbert with credit and on and on.

Pretty much for appeal it's Commanders and then Patriots if you care about being a head coach someday.

And then there is the OC who went to TB for a year, coached up Mayfield for a year, and is now a HC.

 

[upstater1]

Texans had the 30th ranked offense in 2022, Patriots had 31st rank offense in 2023. The Texans OC, after 1 year is in the running to be a head coach. Eric Bienemy is not getting anywhere near being a head coach and ran the top offense for years.
If you want to further your career you don't want to go to a "great" situation necessarily, you want to go somewhere that you can turn things around and have people talk about how much better the offense is with you. How YOU developed a QB etc.
Your upside as a Patriots OC is pretty high, Washington is probably the only open OC position slightly better because they have the #2 pick and not #3.
Where else can they go and not end up in obscurity? Saints? Nope Steelers? Nope Raider? Nope Bills? not obscure but your not getting credit for Josh Allen, Chargers? That would be Harbaugh and Herbert with credit and on and on.

Pretty much for appeal it's Commanders and then Patriots if you care about being a head coach someday.

You've just described why the NFL is so bad with coaching. The dynamic you describe is why teams constantly lose and never get anywhere and why it's only the people who actually know what they're doing who end up winning.

This is something you see in corporate America but also in non-profit institutions like universities. You have these Presidents who are making $1m a year and their chief concern is the university BUT also stay in that lucrative job for as long as possible, because otherwise their pay tops out at $150k annually. So what do these presidents do? They either want the big decisions off their plate so they can blame someone else for inevitable failure, or they make the best short term (but often short-sighted) decision which won't immediately blow up in their face.

It's no accident that the most successful teams are the ones with ingrained ownership, with a consistent way of doings things for decades, with continuity, owners who give their GMs and their coaches the confidences to do things right, from a solid foundation and with a solid base. AND they have patience. Baltimore and Harbaugh (one playoff win in 10 years, 3 straight seasons without making the playoffs), the Steelers and Tomlin, KC and Andy Reid (before Mahomes even got there), the Saints with Payton, Seattle and Carroll, the Patriots, even the Bills now going into McDermott's 7th season.

When you look at Super Bowl champions the last 20 or so years, there's been only 3 outliers: Philly in '17, Tampa in '20 and the Rams in '21. The rest had an ingrained way of doing things, patience, continuity.

None of these 3 newcomers have yet sustained their greatness. The Rams will be interesting because after their win they had a pretty bad season and then went out in the 1st game of the playoffs. They made a lot of short-term decisions to win. Their QB is about to age out. We'll see what happens with them

 

[Ross12]

@Sciz posted in the updates thread that the Patriots have apparently recently interviewed Jerrod Johnson (Texans QB coach) and Thomas Brown (Panthers OC) for their OC position as well. This was previously unreported.

Johnson makes some sense. The Texans offense was solid despite some lesser parts at OL and WR and CJ Stroud obviously had tremendous rookie year. Very inexperienced, though.

Brown..... Panthers offense was so bad last year. Although, he was the Rams' TE and RB coach, as well as assistant HC, for a few years before that.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

@Sciz posted in the updates thread that the Patriots have apparently recently interviewed Jerrod Johnson (Texans QB coach) and Thomas Brown (Panthers OC) for their OC position as well. This was previously unreported.

Johnson makes some sense. The Texans offense was solid despite some lesser parts at OL and WR and CJ Stroud obviously had tremendous rookie year. Very inexperienced, though.

Brown..... Panthers offense was so bad last year. Although, he was the Rams' TE and RB coach, as well as assistant HC, for a few years before that.

panthers QB Coach lmao

Texans QB Coach would be awesome only judged based on the Stroud performance but he has little coaching experience ( Vikings assistanz qb coach before for one season), pair him with an experienced advisor maybe ?

 

[venecol]

@Sciz posted in the updates thread that the Patriots have apparently recently interviewed Jerrod Johnson (Texans QB coach) and Thomas Brown (Panthers OC) for their OC position as well. This was previously unreported.

Johnson makes some sense. The Texans offense was solid despite some lesser parts at OL and WR and CJ Stroud obviously had tremendous rookie year. Very inexperienced, though.

Brown..... Panthers offense was so bad last year. Although, he was the Rams' TE and RB coach, as well as assistant HC, for a few years before that.

At this point, anybody but Josh.

 

[Ross12]

panthers QB Coach lmao

Texans QB Coach would be awesome only judged based on the Stroud performance but he has little coaching experience ( Vikings assistanz qb coach before for one season), pair him with an experienced advisor maybe ?

I guess a question I have on Brown is - most of his experience comes from McVay's system, but then last year he was put in Frank Reich's offense who does a more traditional West Coast type model. So I suppose, you could hire Brown for something more McVay-esque... And it's hard to judge a dude off of one bad year on a bad team, especially when Reich was calling the plays, not Brown. Once Reich was fired, it seemed like there was some level of improvement, but hard to make big changes at that stage.

 

[Love The Drake]

We should have a hire soon.

 

[PatsFan2]

I guess a question I have on Brown is - most of his experience comes from McVay's system, but then last year he was put in Frank Reich's offense who does a more traditional West Coast type model. So I suppose, you could hire Brown for something more McVay-esque... And it's hard to judge a dude off of one bad year on a bad team, especially when Reich was calling the plays, not Brown. Once Reich was fired, it seemed like there was some level of improvement, but hard to make big changes at that stage.

Anything related to McVay makes me you know...

 

[PatsFan2]

@Sciz posted in the updates thread that the Patriots have apparently recently interviewed Jerrod Johnson (Texans QB coach) and Thomas Brown (Panthers OC) for their OC position as well. This was previously unreported.

Johnson makes some sense. The Texans offense was solid despite some lesser parts at OL and WR and CJ Stroud obviously had tremendous rookie year. Very inexperienced, though.

Brown..... Panthers offense was so bad last year. Although, he was the Rams' TE and RB coach, as well as assistant HC, for a few years before that.

C'mon Mayo you can do this so glad OCBOB went back to College with that dated Offense seems so 2006.

 

[EMpats]

I’ve been a Mayo defender so this is his chance to prove his selling point that he’s a forward, innovative thinker. Running back the stale offense with Josh and Mac would be a terrible a lazy decision for this franchise.

 

[PatsFan2]

Guys with QB Coaching in their resumes should be a great hire.