We Drafting a QB

[signbabybrady]

OK so, a 2nd for Fields instead of Tannehill and a starting RT (chosen at 34).

PASS

Me too

 

[mgteich]

1) If one of the 2 top QB's is there at 3, I think that we pick the other. The only trade I would consider is with AZ, but they should know better.
2) The OPEN question is what the staff thinks of the other FOUR first round QB's and where they think they will be drafted. Much may depend on which veteran we sign in free agency. Depending on this, the QB may need to start NOW or wait.
3) If the team likes ONE of the QB's much better than the others, I could see them drafting Daniels at 3, or a small trade down for one of the others. I could see than trading down and choosing Nix (or another) in the top 10 and then draft a couple of bookend OT's.
4) if they really don't like any of the four, then put the pick up for bid, and then do that again, and then choose an LT, and then another.

AS AN ASIDE
If we don't like any of the four, we should be spending more on the veteran, expecting him to start for a couple of years.

I WOULD NOTE
that many of thought that average or average minus QB play would have had us contending in 2023. If that is true, then an OK veteran SHOULD put us in contending position in 2024, in addition to have our bookend OT's for the next 5 years. I do expect us to sign a starting WR in free agency.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Williams and Maye are going 1-2. I think Alt should be the pick at 3.

Yep, getting protection for Jones and Zappe has to be the priority. There is no way they are going to be able to match the 2023 numbers without getting a good LT. Maybe they could even bring Colt McCoy in to fire up that QB competition.

Sorry Sam, but you left ne no choice.

 

[Toofy]

Should we look to get russell wilson , trade 3 to chargers get 2 additional 2nds, 1 this year and another next and get Joe alt at 5, Pittman in FA and 1 of the best wide receivers from this deep draft class in 2nd round . If bo nix falls to 2nd round use it on him to be behind russell wilson.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Should we look to get russell wilson , trade 3 to chargers get 2 additional 2nds, 1 this year and another next and get Joe alt at 5, Pittman in FA and 1 of the best wide receivers from this deep draft class in 2nd round . If bo nix falls to 2nd round use it on him to be behind russell wilson.

No.

 

[rochrist]

No.

Well, Kiper has come out with Daniels rated ahead of Maye, which should tell you all you need to know about Daniels.

 

[Huckleberry1]

1) If one of the 2 top QB's is there at 3, I think that we pick the other. The only trade I would consider is with AZ, but they should know better.
2) The OPEN question is what the staff thinks of the other FOUR first round QB's and where they think they will be drafted. Much may depend on which veteran we sign in free agency. Depending on this, the QB may need to start NOW or wait.
3) If the team likes ONE of the QB's much better than the others, I could see them drafting Daniels at 3, or a small trade down for one of the others. I could see than trading down and choosing Nix (or another) in the top 10 and then draft a couple of bookend OT's.
4) if they really don't like any of the four, then put the pick up for bid, and then do that again, and then choose an LT, and then another.

AS AN ASIDE
If we don't like any of the four, we should be spending more on the veteran, expecting him to start for a couple of years.

I WOULD NOTE
that many of thought that average or average minus QB play would have had us contending in 2023. If that is true, then an OK veteran SHOULD put us in contending position in 2024, in addition to have our bookend OT's for the next 5 years. I do expect us to sign a starting WR in free agency.

Everything I’m hearing about Nix is that he needs to go to a dome team, or a warm weather team, that his am isn’t good enough to play in bad weather.

 

[rochrist]

Everything I’m hearing about Nix is that he needs to go to a dome team, or a warm weather team, that his am isn’t good enough to play in bad weather.

His arm is better than Daniels.

Stengths:

• At Oregon, Nix exhibits marked improvement in his pocket presence and processing speed.
• He demonstrates pro-level aptitude in key QB fundamentals: thrives under empty sets, executes with precision during two-minute drills, and showcases mobility outside the pocket.
• Nix has an innate ability to extend plays under duress, making off-schedule plays when things break down.
• His pocket mobility is top-tier, consistently evading the pass rush while keeping his eyes downfield, making him a threat in RPO (run-pass option) situations.
• Nix manipulates defenses with his eyes, effectively holding safeties and linebackers to create passing lanes. Delivers the ball with zip, especially when threading the needle against tight coverage.
• With a prototypical build at 6’2?, 213 lbs, Nix combines size with arm talent, positioning himself as an enticing draft prospect.
• While he might not have the biggest cannon in the class, his arm strength is more than adequate. Delivers with velocity, even when throwing off-platform.
• Nix's release is compact and quick, allowing him to get the ball out with timing and rhythm, especially in short to intermediate throws.
• Shows versatility in his delivery, altering arm angles to throw around defenders while maintaining velocity and accuracy.
• His footwork and agility in the pocket enable him to sidestep pressure, reset, and deliver strikes downfield.
• When the pocket breaks down, Nix remains balanced, demonstrating the ability to change direction swiftly and roll out to create opportunities.
• Open-field awareness is a strength; Nix can capitalize on scrambling lanes while consistently keeping a downfield passing mentality.
• As a ball-carrier, Nix displays a good blend of agility and burst, making defenders miss in space. His dual-threat capability demands defensive game-planning.
• Nix's combination of athleticism and arm talent provides a solid foundation for NFL offenses to craft schemes around his strengths.

 

[State]

And he gonna be Jim Plunketted with our OL talent and coaching. Billy Yates says Yo.

 

[Huckleberry1]

His arm is better than Daniels.

Stengths:

• At Oregon, Nix exhibits marked improvement in his pocket presence and processing speed.
• He demonstrates pro-level aptitude in key QB fundamentals: thrives under empty sets, executes with precision during two-minute drills, and showcases mobility outside the pocket.
• Nix has an innate ability to extend plays under duress, making off-schedule plays when things break down.
• His pocket mobility is top-tier, consistently evading the pass rush while keeping his eyes downfield, making him a threat in RPO (run-pass option) situations.
• Nix manipulates defenses with his eyes, effectively holding safeties and linebackers to create passing lanes. Delivers the ball with zip, especially when threading the needle against tight coverage.
• With a prototypical build at 6’2?, 213 lbs, Nix combines size with arm talent, positioning himself as an enticing draft prospect.
• While he might not have the biggest cannon in the class, his arm strength is more than adequate. Delivers with velocity, even when throwing off-platform.
• Nix's release is compact and quick, allowing him to get the ball out with timing and rhythm, especially in short to intermediate throws.
• Shows versatility in his delivery, altering arm angles to throw around defenders while maintaining velocity and accuracy.
• His footwork and agility in the pocket enable him to sidestep pressure, reset, and deliver strikes downfield.
• When the pocket breaks down, Nix remains balanced, demonstrating the ability to change direction swiftly and roll out to create opportunities.
• Open-field awareness is a strength; Nix can capitalize on scrambling lanes while consistently keeping a downfield passing mentality.
• As a ball-carrier, Nix displays a good blend of agility and burst, making defenders miss in space. His dual-threat capability demands defensive game-planning.
• Nix's combination of athleticism and arm talent provides a solid foundation for NFL offenses to craft schemes around his strengths.

I listened to Jeremiah and Brooks yesterday, both have scouted Nix in person, and they both agreed that Nix arm strength is an issue, and neither suggested that with Daniels. Their only criticism of Daniels is that he needs to be more careful with taking big hits on long runs.

Both liked New Orleans for Nix because it’s a dime in a warm weather division.

 

[Huckleberry1]

His arm is better than Daniels.

Stengths:

• At Oregon, Nix exhibits marked improvement in his pocket presence and processing speed.
• He demonstrates pro-level aptitude in key QB fundamentals: thrives under empty sets, executes with precision during two-minute drills, and showcases mobility outside the pocket.
• Nix has an innate ability to extend plays under duress, making off-schedule plays when things break down.
• His pocket mobility is top-tier, consistently evading the pass rush while keeping his eyes downfield, making him a threat in RPO (run-pass option) situations.
• Nix manipulates defenses with his eyes, effectively holding safeties and linebackers to create passing lanes. Delivers the ball with zip, especially when threading the needle against tight coverage.
• With a prototypical build at 6’2?, 213 lbs, Nix combines size with arm talent, positioning himself as an enticing draft prospect.
• While he might not have the biggest cannon in the class, his arm strength is more than adequate. Delivers with velocity, even when throwing off-platform.
• Nix's release is compact and quick, allowing him to get the ball out with timing and rhythm, especially in short to intermediate throws.
• Shows versatility in his delivery, altering arm angles to throw around defenders while maintaining velocity and accuracy.
• His footwork and agility in the pocket enable him to sidestep pressure, reset, and deliver strikes downfield.
• When the pocket breaks down, Nix remains balanced, demonstrating the ability to change direction swiftly and roll out to create opportunities.
• Open-field awareness is a strength; Nix can capitalize on scrambling lanes while consistently keeping a downfield passing mentality.
• As a ball-carrier, Nix displays a good blend of agility and burst, making defenders miss in space. His dual-threat capability demands defensive game-planning.
• Nix's combination of athleticism and arm talent provides a solid foundation for NFL offenses to craft schemes around his strengths.

Who is the source?

 

[rochrist]

Who is the source?

That was NFLF Draft Buzz. This is from The Draft Network:

Bo Nix is a five-year starter with plenty of experience at the helm of two college offenses. Nix has the caliber of arm strength to drive the ball in the middle of the field and outside the numbers. The film shows him fitting passes into some tight windows. He has a loose/flexible arm to change angles and slots to fit passes around defenders. He can push the ball down the field and up the seams with relative ease.

Nix thrives off quick passing concepts—isolation vertical routes, RPOs, and quick screens are in his wheelhouse of comfort. Nix is a plus-athlete with the mobility to be a reliable dual-threat quarterback. He has a good short-area burst to get out of the backfield if flushed by pressure. Nix presents the ability to improvise and create with his legs, which is needed in today’s NFL.

 

[PatsFan2]

His arm is better than Daniels.

Stengths:

• At Oregon, Nix exhibits marked improvement in his pocket presence and processing speed.
• He demonstrates pro-level aptitude in key QB fundamentals: thrives under empty sets, executes with precision during two-minute drills, and showcases mobility outside the pocket.
• Nix has an innate ability to extend plays under duress, making off-schedule plays when things break down.
• His pocket mobility is top-tier, consistently evading the pass rush while keeping his eyes downfield, making him a threat in RPO (run-pass option) situations.
• Nix manipulates defenses with his eyes, effectively holding safeties and linebackers to create passing lanes. Delivers the ball with zip, especially when threading the needle against tight coverage.
• With a prototypical build at 6’2?, 213 lbs, Nix combines size with arm talent, positioning himself as an enticing draft prospect.
• While he might not have the biggest cannon in the class, his arm strength is more than adequate. Delivers with velocity, even when throwing off-platform.
• Nix's release is compact and quick, allowing him to get the ball out with timing and rhythm, especially in short to intermediate throws.
• Shows versatility in his delivery, altering arm angles to throw around defenders while maintaining velocity and accuracy.
• His footwork and agility in the pocket enable him to sidestep pressure, reset, and deliver strikes downfield.
• When the pocket breaks down, Nix remains balanced, demonstrating the ability to change direction swiftly and roll out to create opportunities.
• Open-field awareness is a strength; Nix can capitalize on scrambling lanes while consistently keeping a downfield passing mentality.
• As a ball-carrier, Nix displays a good blend of agility and burst, making defenders miss in space. His dual-threat capability demands defensive game-planning.
• Nix's combination of athleticism and arm talent provides a solid foundation for NFL offenses to craft schemes around his strengths.

I was watching some more of Bo Nix when his feet is set he looks like a pro but it seems like when he's throwing deep he releases off his back-foot. Don't know if that's an occasional habit but it won't fly in the Pros. Really looking forward to seeing his pre draft workouts I see some Mac Jones tendencies sadly. On a related note his WR Troy Franklin seems very 9 Route-ish didn't see much wiggle from him on his releases he seems like he's always running by someone again that won't fly in the pros Franklin seems very one dimensional.

 

[PatsFan2]

Well, Kiper has come out with Daniels rated ahead of Maye, which should tell you all you need to know about Daniels.

I am really mix on both though I like Daniels a little more because I think he's closer to a Lamar Jackson type QB. That said I think Maye is the prototypical Big Guy - Big Arm QB - who can run a little a lot to like there.

 

[Huckleberry1]

That was NFLF Draft Buzz. This is from The Draft Network:

Bo Nix is a five-year starter with plenty of experience at the helm of two college offenses. Nix has the caliber of arm strength to drive the ball in the middle of the field and outside the numbers. The film shows him fitting passes into some tight windows. He has a loose/flexible arm to change angles and slots to fit passes around defenders. He can push the ball down the field and up the seams with relative ease.

Nix thrives off quick passing concepts—isolation vertical routes, RPOs, and quick screens are in his wheelhouse of comfort. Nix is a plus-athlete with the mobility to be a reliable dual-threat quarterback. He has a good short-area burst to get out of the backfield if flushed by pressure. Nix presents the ability to improvise and create with his legs, which is needed in today’s NFL.

Thanks for sourcing it, there is so much **** out there that discerning who knows what they are talking about and who is blowing smoke is difficult to tell.

 

[rogerthat]

Out of curiosity, I looked at all the QBs drafted or UDFA since 2000, and I excluded the 1st 2 QBs drafted in a particular class. Results: you can find, on average, about 1 QB per class that you can win with that is drafted as the 3rd QB or later in a given draft. BUT- there were quite a few drafts where no such QBs existed; others had multiple. Here is my list- some of them are def arguable:

David Garrard
Jay Cutler
Brock Purdy
Brady
Garoppolo
Prescott
Andy Dalton
Kaepernick (brought his team to the SB so I'm not excluding him)
Rex Grossman (same)
Tony Romo
Ryan Tannehill (we can argue this one, he's borderline)
Russell Wilson
Nick Foles
Kirk Cousins (imo arguable)
Matt Cassell (arguable)
Ryan Fitzpatrick (right system maybe?)
Josh Allen
Lamar Jackson
Deshaun Watson
Justin Herbert
Jordan Love
Jalen Hurts
Ben Roethlisberger
Matt Schaub

Honorable mentions-

Jacoby Brissett
Marc Bulger
Mason Rudolph

 

[mgteich]

Thanks for sourcing it, there is so much **** out there that discerning who knows what they are talking about and who is blowing smoke is difficult to tell.

I suspect that all 4 (including Nix) will be drafted in the top 10, although Nix could last a couple of more spots, but not more).

Evaluations may change before the draft, but I would not be shocked to see someone draft Nix in the top 5 to make sure that they get their top QB prospect.

 

[TommyD4207]

I suspect that all 4 (including Nix) will be drafted in the top 10, although Nix could last a couple of more spots, but not more).

Evaluations may change before the draft, but I would not be shocked to see someone draft Nix in the top 5 to make sure that they get their top QB prospect.

Jiminy Christmas that's a crazy overdraft. I'm not saying you're wrong or that it won't happen - but Nix is like a 3rd round talent.

 

[sb1]

Report: Vikings wouldn’t ’bat an eye’ at steep price to move up for QB

“If they’re going to take one, it’s going to be someone we love or we’re not doing it."

www.si.com

If the Pats are looking to fleece a team that wants one of the top QB's badly enough we might have a willing trade partner.

 

[TommyD4207]

Report: Vikings wouldn’t ’bat an eye’ at steep price to move up for QB

“If they’re going to take one, it’s going to be someone we love or we’re not doing it."

www.si.com

If the Pats are looking to fleece a team that wants one of the top QB's badly enough we might have a willing trade partner.

It would have to be 11, 42 and next year's 1st just to start the discussion - they've got nothing else but day 3 picks.