Mayo's Intoductory Press Conference

[venecol]

Yea, Mayo is the only one making a big deal out of it. I preferred Todd Bowles' comments when he was asked a similar question regarding Tomlin.

Different generation.

I love it how the old ****s want to keep society stagnant like it's the 1950s. Societies change, especially in this technological age and w/ SM. Get used to it brother.

 

[Kdo5]

You must be really old dude.

I wonder how many of you would like being demeaned and cussed at by your bosses in front of your collegues. But hey, these guys are just players there for our entertainment, **** them.

Except it's just a job for them like anyone else. There's no amount of money that warrants treating people like cattle.

Yeah that was a bizarre post, meant to reply to it earlier.

Like treating your employees well and seeing them as human beings and having empathy for them is “not ideal”. Wtf is in the drinking water with some of the posters here.

 

[venecol]

I get that but most would have either college HC experience or years as a coordinator. In this case we have a 4 year position coach with possibly a one year "co-coordinator" responsibility.

Jeff Saturday.

 

[venecol]

I am already losing interest.

Kraft has a short window, for me, to get it right.

IMO Kraft is more of an issue than BB was.

Kraft didn't have a losing record in 3 of 4 seasons. Kraft gave Bill everything he asked for. Kraft spent two offseasons telling us, all he wants is a playoff win.

Belichick FAILED to deliver. Yet, lack of results shouldn't matter for the white dude.

 

[venecol]

I don’t think it’s about why or how Kraft made the decision it’s about whether it was a good one.

How do you know it isn't a good one? Where's your data?

 

[Ross12]

FYI, it has been pointed out from the media that Mayo actually rejected the DC title last offseason for his own benefit. Had he taken the title and Bill was still in NE today, Mayo could only leave for a promotion at HC somewhere else.

With that said, Mike Vrabel was a DC for one year then a HC. Mike McDaniel was an OC for one year and was a HC. Mike Tomlin was a DC for one year and became a HC. Arthur Smith was never a OC, yet someone how became a HC. Matt LaFleur was a OC for two years and then jumped to a HC position. Andy Reid had 7-8 years of NFL experience (never a Coordinator) and became a HC. Brian Billick wasn't known as an OC for for 4 years until they landed Randy Moss. He was handed the HC job of the Ravens. This is nothing new.

Bob Kraft is in the building everyday with Mayo, not anonymous internet posters. He holds him a very high regard comparing him to BB which is why we saw the bizarre announcement with Mayo turning down the interview with Carolina and immediately returning to NE.

The two hottest HC candidates on the offensive side of the ball this year, Ben Johnson and Bobby Slowik, have 2 years and 1 year of OC experience, respectively. But I doubt the teams that hire Slowik or Johnson are going to have their fanbases freaking out about their lack of coordinator experience.

 

[Horace's Ivories]

Jeff Saturday.

He coached for 8 games.. That said - did you see my "most" qualifier?

 

[Horace's Ivories]

You must be really old dude.

I wonder how many of you would like being demeaned and cussed at by your bosses in front of your collegues. But hey, these guys are just players there for our entertainment, **** them.

Except it's just a job for them like anyone else. There's no amount of money that warrants treating people like cattle.

yeah - that's it.
Treating people fairly and with respect should be implied in a HC leadership role and not something you have to say at a press conference.

 

[Horace's Ivories]

There are dozens of white coaches w/ similar experience that have been handed HC jobs, yet I don't see the uproar over them being hired.

You offered Jeff Saturday.. ridiculous.. Where are the other dozens? I'll wait..

 

[Ian]

It’s not the same at all. You are creating a scenario and calling that the only thing that applies.

Let be put it another way.

If you hire a coach and he says I know how I want things done, I will run the ship, and I am accountable. My assistants will report to me and coach the players based upon the direction I give them.
If you hired the right guy you have a good team.

However if you hire a guy who says I want a diverse coaching staff with lots of fresh ideas and I encourage them to want me to do it their way.
You would have to hire a whole staff of incredible assistants to have a good team.

Kraft actually talked about that, saying they try and hire the best people they can find in every aspect of his businesses, which is what he already said he planned to do in this case.

At the end of the day, and to your point, Mayo will obviously take the lead and has already made it clear he's not afraid to "rub people the wrong way," which he said is "part of the job of being a leader."

“When people talk about rubbing people the wrong way, I mean, that’s part of the job of being a leader, is to rub people the wrong way,” Mayo said recently, via Karen Guregian of MassLive.com. “And I always try to be constructive and respectful with my feedback. Some people appreciate that transparency. Some don’t. But at the end of the day, if we can’t rub people the wrong way, how do you expect that you can be the best that you can be? And I would say, anytime there’s change, or anything like that, it’s going to be painful if someone rubs you the wrong way. At the end of the day, you have to look through all the words that really get to the substance and the meat and potatoes of what that person is trying to say.”

And he clearly knows he'll be accountable. If they go multiple seasons with a losing record and they're a mess, he'll be let go and a change will be made. But Kraft is doing the best he can to surround him with good people at the top and it certainly appears like he'll have an opportunity to bring in his own people as well.

So, to your point, we'll find out if this was the right move. I understand being concerned with whether or not it is the right move, but we won't find out for at least another two seasons (probably at the very minimum, given where they are right now, barring some incredibly good luck) if that's the case. Just have to let it play out.

 

[Ring 6]

LOL, obviously, that's not ideal, but it's the same story. Someone is always going to be someone's first surgery. At the same time, that surgeon has usually worked with another surgeon a while before doing it on their own. And there are some guys who pick it up quickly and become successful, while others take longer to become good at it.

Then there are also others who take a long time and still never become good at it. Just have to trust the process. If he can't do it and the team falters, as Kraft said, they'll find someone else who can get it done.

It is what it is. This day was coming and it's unfortunately now here. Would have been great to get a star name in here with all the experience/accolades, but instead you've got a guy who at least played for, was hired by, and learned from one of the best ever. Just have to give him a chance.

All we can do at this point is have an opinion about whether it was a good move or not. Like anything involving humans there isn’t a checklist or formula. Basically he is competing against 31 other people to see who can do the best job.
At this point I think most if not all appear to be better qualified, so it’s hard to be optimistic.
I ultimately will be optimistic, assuming I can see a plan. At that point I’ll worry about what needs to happen to make the plan work. For now it’s hard to be optimistic because I see no plan, just a bunch of rhetoric.

 

[Ring 6]

Kraft actually talked about that, saying they try and hire the best people they can find in every aspect of his businesses, which is what he already said he planned to do in this case.

At the end of the day, and to your point, Mayo will obviously take the lead and has already made it clear he's not afraid to "rub people the wrong way," which he said is "part of the job of being a leader."

“When people talk about rubbing people the wrong way, I mean, that’s part of the job of being a leader, is to rub people the wrong way,” Mayo said recently, via Karen Guregian of MassLive.com. “And I always try to be constructive and respectful with my feedback. Some people appreciate that transparency. Some don’t. But at the end of the day, if we can’t rub people the wrong way, how do you expect that you can be the best that you can be? And I would say, anytime there’s change, or anything like that, it’s going to be painful if someone rubs you the wrong way. At the end of the day, you have to look through all the words that really get to the substance and the meat and potatoes of what that person is trying to say.”

And he clearly knows he'll be accountable. If they go multiple seasons with a losing record and they're a mess, he'll be let go and a change will be made. But Kraft is doing the best he can to surround him with good people at the top and it certainly appears like he'll have an opportunity to bring in his own people as well.

So, to your point, we'll find out if this was the right move. I understand being concerned with whether or not it is the right move, but we won't find out for at least another two seasons (probably at the very minimum, given where they are right now, barring some incredibly good luck) if that's the case. Just have to let it play out.

I think we can both agree that it’s far easier to hire one great person that 12.

Everyone wants to hire good people. I think you are taking the cliches too seriously. Everyone wants to win, saying you do doesn’t put you any closer to achieving it.

We are talking about different levels of accountability.

 

[Ian]

All we can do at this point is have an opinion about whether it was a good move or not. Like anything involving humans there isn’t a checklist or formula. Basically he is competing against 31 other people to see who can do the best job.
At this point I think most if not all appear to be better qualified, so it’s hard to be optimistic.
I ultimately will be optimistic, assuming I can see a plan. At that point I’ll worry about what needs to happen to make the plan work. For now it’s hard to be optimistic because I see no plan, just a bunch of rhetoric.

There are a fair amount of differences he said - which I highlighted - that did address concerns people have had and was interesting. As you said, we'll have to see how it goes.

I will say I'm also sort of surprised that considering they hired the guy who learned under someone you hold in such high regard, and cited something he believes in that Belichick emphasized ("Hard work works"), you're not a little more optimistic.

 

[Ian]

I think we can both agree that it’s far easier to hire one great person that 12.

Everyone wants to hire good people. I think you are taking the cliches too seriously. Everyone wants to win, saying you do doesn’t put you any closer to achieving it.

We are talking about different levels of accountability.

You can have one great person, but if he's not also surrounded with other great people, he can also fail. We saw that happen the last two years.

 

[venecol]

yeah - that's it.
Treating people fairly and with respect should be implied in a HC leadership role and not something you have to say at a press conference.

When you're following the biggest **** in NE coaching history, it helps for future recruits to know there's a change; especially when there's dozens of players that experienced the same arrogance and ****ness by Josh, FatM and Judge.

Mayo was advertising to the NFL coaches and players that things will be different in NE. I assure you, that'll open the door for many to want to come here that wouldn't otherwise.

 

[vicspats]

Different generation.

I love it how the old ****s want to keep society stagnant like it's the 1950s. Societies change, especially in this technological age and w/ SM. Get used to it brother.

I’m curious, is “ old ****s” consistent with some form of prejudice you might be carrying?

 

[Horace's Ivories]

When you're following the biggest **** in NE coaching history, it helps for future recruits to know there's a change; especially when there's dozens of players that experienced the same arrogance and ****ness by Josh, FatM and Judge.

Mayo was advertising to the NFL coaches and players that things will be different in NE. I assure you, that'll open the door for many to want to come here that wouldn't otherwise.

Maybe you are right but it's pretty obvious he has a completely different personality. And his playful Thunder references should announce that. I am all for a different approach it it works.

 

[venecol]

You offered Jeff Saturday.. ridiculous.. Where are the other dozens? I'll wait..

Do your own homework. There are studies about this and it starts at the bottom:

1. Minority position coaches w/ more exp. not being promoted to coord. and when they are, only to DC, when almost every HC job is being filled by white OCs.
2. Minority coord. having to wait longer if ever to get a HC opportunity.
3. White position coaches getting HC opportunities or w/ limited coord. exp.
4. Minority HCs getting canned in much less time than their white counterparts with similar records.
5. White HCs previously fired getting re-cycled while minorities are 1 & done or have to wait years for a 2nd chance.

All the numbers are there that show RACE is absolutely a factor = white you're in, minorities always an excuse.

Stop being lazy and educate yourself instead of spouting today's latest outrage about being victimized by minorities.

 

[venecol]

I’m curious, is “ old ****s” consistent with some form of prejudice you might be carrying?

Not really, I'm old and I'm a ****.

 

[RIpats88]

Bill has ran the organization into the ground since pushing Brady out the door with his poor drafting, poor coaching staff decisions and poor free agency decisions.

Fans acting like the sky is falling without Bill as if he was building something amazing here the last 4 years….

Now we can question whether mayo was the right choice. I would prefer Vrabel. But I don’t see how we would know mayo will horrible right away.

And I don’t see how we can be worse than 4-13

It was time. Unless you are happy with Bills decisions as a gm the last 4 years.

Fans overwhelmingly wanted Bill gone. Now that he’s gone it’s omg how could we!

As if we just came off 4 amazing years.