Rap: Mayo is the new HC

[VrabelJr]

So a rookie HC and rookie QB are the answer? Not a future HOF HC and a rookie QB?

Lets be real when it came to it we all wanted Mac Jones based on our draft position and who we could realistically get. He banged in his rookie season and we made the playoffs. So he was the obvious choice to continue with in 2022 as the starter, why would you not expect him to get even better?

Problem was we then wasted 2022 because he was up and down an starting to look like he wasn't the answer. However, we finished 8-9 and had Matt ****ing Patricia as OC (bills fault) so we all blamed that and thought Mac gets another chance in 2023.

Only this year (albeit many of us had given up on his last year) has everyone started to fully accept he is ****e and that we need a QB. So regardless of coach we would not be in the market for a QB and to rectify the issue. I'd much rather have given Bill that chance than a rookie HC and then let Mayo take over next year when hopefully the QB position is stable.

It's pretty wild that our offense, especially the run game, was significantly better under Patricia than BOB. The rumor that Bill wanted to keep Patricia in the role and develop him makes a lot of sense after the regression we had under BOB.

 

[Brotherblues]

Hoping for the best. It's scary to choose someone who's never held a position with any accountability. The pseudo DC who gets credit for the good the defense does, while the blame gets shifted to Steve for the bad. The pseudo assistant HC during the team's downfall with responsibilities so ambiguous he emerges blameless... And now he'll be the rookie HC who "inherited BB's mess," so there'll be at least 2 more years of zero accountability.

The only thing we can see with him (as outsiders) is he's open and thoughtful when interviewed.

There are coordinators out there proving their worth in ways we can see and measure.

 

[TommyD4207]

It's pretty wild that our offense, especially the run game, was significantly better under Patricia than BOB. The rumor that Bill wanted to keep Patricia in the role and develop him makes a lot of sense after the regression we had under BOB.

Now now, you're actually speaking about verifiable facts and not fee-fees. Be careful.
Edit: He was also the offensive line coach.

 

[VrabelJr]

I'm starting to realize why some people couldn't stand some portions of our fanbase. Way too many people used Bill's success to validate some misguided superiority complex that they had and used the team to make them feel special. Now that their blanket aged out and had a string of flops they are freaking out that it was time to move on.

Well they both suck and I would highly debate one outplayed the other logistically. Zappe got lucky on a few of his balls not getting intercepted in his first few games, but we all saw the problems and saw him crash and burn at the end.

Zappe statistically certainly didn't. He had a lower completion percentage, lower passer rating, less yards per game, threw only 3 less INT's despite starting far less, for all the claims of him being better in the pocket he took more sacks and lost more yards on sacks.

The real issue here is that Zappe's biggest supporters basically made the argument against him being a back up. Whenever he came in as back up after Mac and played bad they argued that he didn't get first team reps and it wasn't fair to judge him because he couldn't suceed. Yet that is precisely what a back up is meant to do. So they in turn made the case that he should not be trusted as a back up.

How are you going to post your first post and follow up with the worst analysis of Zappe vs Jones this year I've ever read? Zappe outplayed Jones in every single metric.

 

[vicspats]

100% of the coaches all time didn't have head coaching experience before they were hired their 1st time as a HC.

Agree. How do first time coaches do? I’d have to check their records. I’m guessing they are as good as rookie qbs winning super bowls.

 

[TommyD4207]

How are you going to post your first post and follow up with the worst analysis of Zappe vs Jones this year I've ever read? Zappe outplayed Jones in every single metric.

I mean, they were pretty much identical, to be honest.
Just, one was a 4th round developmental player who wasn't even on the roster out of training camp, and one was the #15 pick overall.

 

[lancerman]

You have some very anti-BB colored glasses on. Let's take this piece by piece. Have a seat. School is in session.


Really just three seasons. 2020, 2022 and 2023. We were 7th in points scored on offense in 2019.


Yeah that was a mistake but what about all the times he does this and was right?

Runs happen in drafts at positions all the time. It's a folly to go and chase a position just because other teams did. Look at all the WRs picked before Samuels and Metcalf that haven't panned out.

False. Sanders didn't want to come here.

Oh yeah we're really missing Damien Harris' 94 yards he put up in Buffalo.

Wynn didn't bust. He just turned out to be a head case that didn't live up to being a late first rounder.

He was grading as a top 10 IOL in the weeks before his season ending injury. He also started the season and played through an injury that required surgery that he passed on.



Because the problem on offense is at QB and there weren't any worth taking.

The problems on offense weren't limited to QB. I'm sorry that's a non starter argument. Independently they were poor in metrics that you couldn't blame the QB for. We were 7th in 2019 because of Brady, a bunch of you also called him washed for that performance but the GOAT was the only thing making it look mediocre instead of trash.

The times he is right are rarely on offense and special teams. It's easy to point to defense and say "oh he did good there". It was at the expense of the rest of the team. His job was not to load up the defense and make it good.

It was a position of need where a single spot trade up got us Jefferson. We easily had the ability to get a WR who would have been a stud.

Wynn was a bust. He got injured almost immediately and never was anything more than a mixed bag for the third tackle taken in the draft and 4th overall lineman. He was an injury prone bust with limitations physically anyways.

 

[Froob]

What she up to

She's into...something "interesting" videos

 

[Kdo5]

Hoping for the best. It's scary to choose someone who's never held a position with any accountability. The pseudo DC who gets credit for the good the defense does, while the blame gets shifted to Steve for the bad. The pseudo assistant HC during the team's downfall with responsibilities so ambiguous he emerges blameless... And now he'll be the rookie HC who "inherited BB's mess," so there'll be at least 2 more years of zero accountability.

The only thing we can see with him (as outsiders) is he's open and thoughtful when interviewed.

There are coordinators out there proving their worth in ways we can see and measure.

Some fans maybe. But a lot of us have no problem with Steve. In fact I’d be perfectly fine with him staying on as DC if he was offered and chose to.

 

[lancerman]

So Mayo > BB if Mayo wins one more game after getting a weaker strength of schedule, $80m of cap space, and high draft picks? There's going to need to be a lot more to it than that.

Based on the current results, yes. If you want to set up a nonsense hypothetical that Bill was going to take this team to the playoffs next year, it's because you want a strawman to argue against.

 

[Foxypats]

Not happy with this move. There were better options out there that the Patriots should have at least considered…. disappointed with the Krafts !!

 

[Clonamery]

What do you mean? Elaborate please.

All the problems still exist. Only difference I see is the HC is younger but less experienced.

 

[oldrover]

100% of the coaches all time didn't have head coaching experience before they were hired their 1st time as a HC.

 

[lancerman]

It's pretty wild that our offense, especially the run game, was significantly better under Patricia than BOB. The rumor that Bill wanted to keep Patricia in the role and develop him makes a lot of sense after the regression we had under BOB.

It's almost like BOB had to deal with

1. Them letting the best WR on the team go.
2. A lack of depth at RB after Harris left.
3. Bill mandating that they switch OL philosophies midway through
4. BOB not being allowed to bring on his staff.
5. Bill deciding to replace Meyers with Juju and it flopping.

Nobody serious thinks Patricia was a good OC or even better. He just didn't have a total disaster to deal with, only a partial one.

 

[The Gr8est]

I hope Mayo shows a skill with finding and developing gems among UDFAs.

BB was the best at that.

 

[PatsFan2]

Well they both suck and I would highly debate one outplayed the other logistically. Zappe got lucky on a few of his balls not getting intercepted in his first few games, but we all saw the problems and saw him crash and burn at the end.

Zappe statistically certainly didn't. He had a lower completion percentage, lower passer rating, less yards per game, threw only 3 less INT's despite starting far less, for all the claims of him being better in the pocket he took more sacks and lost more yards on sacks.

The real issue here is that Zappe's biggest supporters basically made the argument against him being a back up. Whenever he came in as back up after Mac and played bad they argued that he didn't get first team reps and it wasn't fair to judge him because he couldn't suceed. Yet that is precisely what a back up is meant to do. So they in turn made the case that he should not be trusted as a back up.

Let's think new beginning this is Mac's last chance to show he belongs in this league. Mac NEVER had Great Talent to work with because BB was treating him like he was Brady who made chicken salad out of chicken . Look at the aged wonder Joe Flacco playing with Cooper and Njoku yess BB Talent matters in Todays NFL. This Team is Devoid on Talent on the Offensive side Embarrassing.

 

[Clonamery]

I hope Mayo shows a skill with finding and developing gems among UDFAs.

BB was the best at that.

Will that be part of his duties, personnel decisions?

 

[PatsFan2]

It's pretty wild that our offense, especially the run game, was significantly better under Patricia than BOB. The rumor that Bill wanted to keep Patricia in the role and develop him makes a lot of sense after the regression we had under BOB.

I am for moving on From OCBOB his Offense so 2004 like BB Offensive Roster.

 

[The Gr8est]

Will that be part of his duties, personnel decisions?

If not Mayo, then the new GM?

Someone needs to.

That was a huge boon that BB gave us.

 

[Kdo5]

I am for moving on From OCBOB his Offense so 2004 like BB Offensive Roster.

I don't really want O'Brien as OC. I don't know who else is out there who might be a better option but I can't help but attach the stink of this previous season to him, to some degree.