Compensation if BB signs elsewhere??..

[n1997y]

We don't even know if Kraft COULD do that under NFL rules. Once Belichick was removed from being HC, it's possible he could leave then without being released, under NFL rules.

NFL rules are only part of it. Contract law applies.

and that’s the crux of this. If they mutually agreed it’s just a contract modification.

 

[Run DMC]

Why would he agree to go amicably if he doesn’t get the 25 mill he would get for being fired. There would be no downside to belichick to demand that.

It could be argued he deserves it anyway. It's pocket lint for our billionaire owner.

 

[n1997y]

Wrong. If he makes Kraft fire him there are no strings attached.
He would just keep reporting to work until Kraft fired him.

If there are no strings attached Kraft doesn’t have to pay him.

it cuts both ways.

all these comments make it clear we don’t know what’s in the contract, and most of us aren’t lawyers. So this whole discussion is pure made up bs.

 

[Ring 6]

It could be argued he deserves it anyway. It's pocket lint for our billionaire owner.

There were 3 choices.
1) he quits. No way he does that because he loses 25 mill and can’t cos g where
2) he is fired and gets his $$ and freedom
3) mutually agree.

There is no way belichick mutually agrees if he doesn’t get his $$ and freedom. He would only do that if he was trying yo buy his way out of town and Kraft was imploring him to stay.

 

[upstater1]

NFL rules are only part of it. Contract law applies.

and that’s the crux of this. If they mutually agreed it’s just a contract modification.

Well, we're talking here about whether Kraft has a hold on him that Bill doesn't like

 

[n1997y]

Well, we're talking here about whether Kraft has a hold on him that Bill doesn't like

not after things were “mutually agreed”

 

[Ring 6]

If there are no strings attached Kraft doesn’t have to pay him.

it cuts both ways.

all these comments make it clear we don’t know what’s in the contract, and most of us aren’t lawyers. So this whole discussion is pure made up bs.

Yes he does. If Kraft fires him he must pay him the 2024 contract. No strings means no compensation for his next employer, because there us nine fit a fired coach

It does NOT cut both ways because belichick had a guaranteed contract.

We know how coaching contracts work.

 

[Ring 6]

NFL rules are only part of it. Contract law applies.

and that’s the crux of this. If they mutually agreed it’s just a contract modification.

Mutually agreed is a euphemism. It basically means belichick was fired and accepted it without a fight.

Coaches contracts are guaranteed. He has to pay him. There are zero reasons belichick would get less in a mutual agreement than he would be entitled to if fired.

 

[Run DMC]

There were 3 choices.
1) he quits. No way he does that because he loses 25 mill and can’t cos g where
2) he is fired and gets his $$ and freedom
3) mutually agree.

There is no way belichick mutually agrees if he doesn’t get his $$ and freedom. He would only do that if he was trying yo buy his way out of town and Kraft was imploring him to stay.

Ok, so common sense would dictate a mututally beneficial decision which has no doubt been hammered out by multiple attorneys on both sides. You can bet your arse he walked with an 8 figure "compromise", lol. He had the upper hand on this outcome 100%.

 

[p8ryts]

Mutually agreed is a euphemism. It basically means belichick was fired and accepted it without a fight.

Coaches contracts are guaranteed. He has to pay him. There are zero reasons belichick would get less in a mutual agreement than he would be entitled to if fired.

I agree with what you said, but I did hear Kraft say the words "without compensation". I'm not certain how to interpret that.

 

[upstater1]

not after things were “mutually agreed”

I mean, no one knows what that means. That could just be parting amicably. The wife gets all the property because she would’ve gotten it anyway, and there’s little left for the husband after the judge made the decision, and yet the husband says, we parted amicably.

 

[venecol]

Yeah, it's quite unclear. I don't think there's really room for a "mutual parting", contractually speaking... Either he quits or he was fired. Can't be both.

If he quit then the team still owns his rights and would be owed draft compensation if he signed elsewhere.

If he was fired then the team still owes him $25M next year unless and until he signs with another team and they would get no draft compensation.

Only other avenue I can see is if they decided to void his contract entirely.

He was fired. Kraft said he did not want to consider compensation, opting to let Bill decide what or where to do/go next. Mentioned he did the same for Brady.

Said some will criticize this but it's his companies philosophy to treat ppl the right way.

 

[RobertWeathers]

How is asking for a return "control"?
It's not. You don't give away assets - although I agree with the guy who said earlier that BB probably demanded it.

You are granting an asset it's mobility based on your satisfaction for it's worth in the market.

That is control.

 

[JMC00]

It was reported as if it was a decent thing to do.
I think it was stupid - if Jerruh or LAC or Atlanta wants BB bad enough, take a high-level pick from them - but whatever.

It wasn't stupid since picks were never going to be a thing it was either keep him or let him go. Kraft can't go calling teams asking for a draft pick for Belichick when Belichick sits there the day after the season ended and basically said he wanted to stay. Kraft was ready to move on with a new regime and so Belichick gets to pick where he goes. It's a bit like saying Kraft was dumb for not franchising Brady and trading him for a pick. Can't be that controlling when they've given the franchise what they did. Kraft was ready to move on and the rest of the league knew it so no team was gonna be offering a pick when they knew Kraft was on a time crunch to get the new GM and HC in to build staff and get ready for Free Agency and the draft process

 

[jdlboot14]

I wrote this earlier...
I think what BB gets is freedom in exchange for not being traded. And, knowing them as business men and realists, they probably agreed to amend the contract - and will do like a $10M buyout or something. I doubt BB would spurn Kraft in this situation and force him to fire him and demand $25M. BB has made a literal fortune off the Krafts for 24 years. And, he'll get a massive 3yr deal somewhere.

 

[Run DMC]

It wasn't stupid since picks were never going to be a thing it was either keep him or let him go. Kraft can't go calling teams asking for a draft pick for Belichick when Belichick sits there the day after the season ended and basically said he wanted to stay. Kraft was ready to move on with a new regime and so Belichick gets to pick where he goes. It's a bit like saying Kraft was dumb for not franchising Brady and trading him for a pick. Can't be that controlling when they've given the franchise what they did. Kraft was ready to move on and the rest of the league knew it so no team was gonna be offering a pick when they knew Kraft was on a time crunch to get the new GM and HC in to build staff and get ready for Free Agency and the draft process

So why sign the guy to a minimum 2 year contract that cuts off your own balls and allows the coach to walk with multi millions on his terms? Kraft didn't realize until this year that BIll has lost it. So much for being such a "shrewd businessman". Kraft Sr has lost it. His first dumb decision was to go with Bill over Tom. This is just the latest bad decision and now he can pay for it with cash outlay and ZERO draft compensation. Let us pray we get a good GM and HC. I think it will be Vrabel as HC and God only knows for GM.

 

[TomPatriot]

NFL rules are only part of it. Contract law applies.

and that’s the crux of this. If they mutually agreed it’s just a contract modification.

Pretty sure there is a termination agreement and that took a day or so to negotiate.

 

[n1997y]

Pretty sure there is a termination agreement and that took a day or so to negotiate.

Exactly. Thats why this happened today not Monday.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Yes he does. If Kraft fires him he must pay him the 2024 contract. No strings means no compensation for his next employer, because there us nine fit a fired coach

It does NOT cut both ways because belichick had a guaranteed contract.

We know how coaching contracts work.

We know how most coaching contracts work. We have no idea what Belichick's contract actually said.

 

[Ring 6]

I agree with what you said, but I did hear Kraft say the words "without compensation". I'm not certain how to interpret that.

Without compensation to the patriots from his new team