Who do we draft #3 overall ?

[Run DMC]

You trade down a smidge, pick up some more draft capital and pick Fashanu if he is truly a franchise cornerstone OT. Def not a WR or QB when you have no OL, which is our present situation. This is going to have to be a process and it starts at LT imho. I'm not impressed with any of these top 3 QBs. MHJ will be a stud but we have other more pressing needs, imho.

 

[upstater1]

I agree I'm greedy with how pathetic this Offense was the First Four picks should go to the Offense let's get into this century Offensively. It's not that hard look a Detroit and Houston even the Colts.

Quarterback

 

[upstater1]

Why am I nervous about QBs who aren't Caleb Williams?

Watch this video of J Daniels: https://twitter.com/search?q=Jerry Thornton Daniels&src=typed_query

Look at the arc on the throws, sometimes the wobble on the ball, the fact that many are jump balls, that the ball gets there just as a defender is closing, and then try to imagine these throws in the NFL. Imagine what an NFL CB would do covering these WRs. These throws are all INTs in the pros.

Now Daniels looks incredible running the ball, but given his slight build, I'd be worried that he'll get hurt doing this.

I am definitely nervous about taking Daniels. If some team wants to trade up for him by giving the kind of haul (or even half of it) that SF gave up for Trey Lance, then I'm highly inclined to take it, as long as I don't drop out of the top 9 (other players to take when I drop in the top 9: Harrison, Nabers, Bowers, Fashanu, Alt, Odunze).

 

[PaulThePat]

No problem posters not going QB, but I'd need to see your plan for the 2024 QB room because we sure as hell need to have a plan, not a sticking plaster.

 

[Patriot Missile]

No problem posters not going QB, but I'd need to see your plan for the 2024 QB room because we sure as hell need to have a plan, not a sticking plaster.

Got to go with the QB. Risky because it puts the franchise back 3 years when you miss. But the rewards for 5 years is tremendous if you hit.

However, if they go positional, trade back with Giants for a haul. Take Alt or Fashanu. Go with Nix in the 2nd. Sign Cousins and Higgins in free agency. Draft wr Tony Horton out of Colorado st in the 3rd or 4th. Just my wish list.

 

[KCSVEN]

You trade down a smidge, pick up some more draft capital and pick Fashanu if he is truly a franchise cornerstone OT. Def not a WR or QB when you have no OL, which is our present situation. This is going to have to be a process and it starts at LT imho. I'm not impressed with any of these top 3 QBs. MHJ will be a stud but we have other more pressing needs, imho.

Bengals in 2021 gave up 51 sacks, had a bad offensive line and lost by 3 points in the Super Bowl. They had the QB.
Top 10 net yards per pass attempt 2023:
49ers, Dolphins, Lions, Bills, Ravens, Cowboys, Rams, Packers, Texans, Eagles-100% made the playoffs.

Bottom 10 net yards per pass attempt 2023:
Panthers, Jets, Giants, Patriots, Commanders, Cardinals, Titans, Bears, Browns, Raiders.
Only ONE TEAM, Browns, made playoffs but when Flacco was QB they would have made top 10.

Rams, Commanders, Bears and Cardinals were top 10 in yards per run, not predicative to making playoffs.
FYI the PFF top 4 offensive lines were Eagles, Lions, Colts, Falcons, not predicative to playoff teams.

To win in the NFL you must, absolutely must, have a good passing offense. Nothing else matters more.
Pass Defense against good teams is probably #2.
A good QB is #1, if you can surround him with skill players like the 49ers and Dolphins then the guy can be good, not great. Still, You MUST have a top 15 NFL QB MINIMUM.

Offensive Line is pretty far down the list of things needed to be successful. A good QB, like Burrow, makes up for a poor Line.
Quarterback, Receivers, offensive line, Running Back, is the order of importance.

 

[Boston Boxer]

Curious who everyone wants #3 overall

I am hoping for…..
#1 - Marvin Harrison jr
#2 - Brock Bowers
#3 - Jayden Daniels
#4 - Olumuyina Fashanu
#5 - Joe Alt

We may be able to trade back a couple picks & still get everyone I listed, except
Marvin Harrison jr

We draft defense #3, people will not be happy

the smart move would be OT Joe Alt from ND. Most polished OT in the draft, agile, and only 20 yrs old. I think you might be able to get a QB in the 2nd (Nix) and there are WRs and OGs in the later rounds that would provide help. I think fixing the OLine is the #1 priority

 

[upstater1]

the smart move would be OT Joe Alt from ND. Most polished OT in the draft, agile, and only 20 yrs old. I think you might be able to get a QB in the 2nd (Nix) and there are WRs and OGs in the later rounds that would provide help. I think fixing the OLine is the #1 priority

This is like 3 dimensional chess. Every move needs a partner move.

If you have a QB who can actually make use of Harrison, that takes so much pressure off your offensive line and suddenly everyone looks better. If defenses have to start respecting the boundaries with a CB and safety, then you can spread them out before the play and prevent them from disguising their blitzes. Suddenly, your job on the OL becomes easier.

I'm always inclined to take the BPA because they are your force multipliers on the field. My tackle with future All-Pro ability is going to fail more often than not if there are no WRs out there to make the defense respect the QB and the offense.

 

[PaulThePat]

This is like 3 dimensional chess. Every move needs a partner move.

Indeed. It's all very well saying, trade down, take X, trade back up, take Y etc but than needs both someone to trade with AND the player you want to still be there.

 

[VJCPatriot]

At pick #3 I believe our two main choices will be between Jayden Daniels and Marvin Harrison Jr. Unless the Bears take MHJ #1 then we probably choose between Maye and Daniels. All we have to do is sit tight and either a #1 WR or #1 QB will be there for the taking.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

No problem posters not going QB, but I'd need to see your plan for the 2024 QB room because we sure as hell need to have a plan, not a sticking plaster.

williams maye daniels or Alt would be my choice

Fill WR later or FA

 

[KCSVEN]

At pick #3 I believe our two main choices will be between Jayden Daniels and Marvin Harrison Jr. Unless the Bears take MHJ #1 then we probably choose between Maye and Daniels. All we have to do is sit tight and either a #1 WR or #1 QB will be there for the taking.

Right, and If somehow the Bears decide they want MHJ, personally can't picture it but who knows, the Pats are the only team they could trade down to get MHJ. Probably would not take that much as only them and Washington can make an offer and Washington probably content with Maye or Williams.

 

[*ChungFu*]

IMO trading up to get Williams would crush this team. At least Mac sucked at no extra cost.

 

[JohnJH]

At pick #3 I believe our two main choices will be between Jayden Daniels and Marvin Harrison Jr. Unless the Bears take MHJ #1 then we probably choose between Maye and Daniels. All we have to do is sit tight and either a #1 WR or #1 QB will be there for the taking.

Agreed. I would prefer Maye over Daniels at this moment. That could change depending on what happens before the draft (Combine, Pro Days, etc.).

 

[dliverey44]

I really worry that Daniels wouldn't be utilized to his strengths. I just remember the QB running plays with Cam and it was horrid, I know they are different styles of runners, but I am still worried that his growth will be stunted here. I am not a fan of Maye, but would be content with him, I guess. He has experience behind a **** OL and still being productive, but I am not sure his processing ability is quick enough for the NFL. He seems to make alot of 1st read throws regardless of coverage.

I love the idea of trying to trade back and drafting Fashanu to hopefully shore up LT for 10 years, but I know that this is a good QB driven league. So long story short this is my order of wants at pick 3: Maye, Fashanu, Daniels.

 

[upstater1]

The top 2 players in this draft are Caleb Williams and Marvin Harrison.

I hope we get one of the 2.

Maye is the kind of QB with questions who in other drafts might've gone between 7 to 15, like a Herbert.

Daniels is an Andrew Richardson type from last year, 20-30 type QB. His arm and throwing are a real concern.

If you can grab one of the top 2, they are the type of transformative player that takes teams over the top.

Harrison is worth more than 2 #1s + a 4th rder that the Phins gave up for Jaylen Waddle.

He could fetch you 2 #1s and a 2nd rder.

The problem is that you can't trade out of the top 9. Because there are only 14 players with top grades in this draft, and it's very likely that players 10-14 are all on the defensive side. Offensive players: Williams, Maye, Harrison, Daniels, Bowers, Alt, Fashanu, Nabers, Odunze. 9 offensive players will be picked first, then 5 straight defensive players.

This means the Patriots can't trade below 9.

If they get 2 extra high draft picks for trading out of the 3 spot, then at the very least they can still land a valuable offensive player.

 

[Run DMC]

Bengals in 2021 gave up 51 sacks, had a bad offensive line and lost by 3 points in the Super Bowl. They had the QB.
Top 10 net yards per pass attempt 2023:
49ers, Dolphins, Lions, Bills, Ravens, Cowboys, Rams, Packers, Texans, Eagles-100% made the playoffs.

Bottom 10 net yards per pass attempt 2023:
Panthers, Jets, Giants, Patriots, Commanders, Cardinals, Titans, Bears, Browns, Raiders.
Only ONE TEAM, Browns, made playoffs but when Flacco was QB they would have made top 10.

Rams, Commanders, Bears and Cardinals were top 10 in yards per run, not predicative to making playoffs.
FYI the PFF top 4 offensive lines were Eagles, Lions, Colts, Falcons, not predicative to playoff teams.

To win in the NFL you must, absolutely must, have a good passing offense. Nothing else matters more.
Pass Defense against good teams is probably #2.
A good QB is #1, if you can surround him with skill players like the 49ers and Dolphins then the guy can be good, not great. Still, You MUST have a top 15 NFL QB MINIMUM.

Offensive Line is pretty far down the list of things needed to be successful. A good QB, like Burrow, makes up for a poor Line.
Quarterback, Receivers, offensive line, Running Back, is the order of importance.

None of these QBs look like All World Joe Cool. Sorry, not worth the risk.

 

[Run DMC]

None of these QBs look like All World Joe Cool. Sorry, not worth the risk.

I also don't like Williams. 6'1"?!!! Too damn small. And he cries in his mommas arms like a baby? HELL NO! Lil QBs suck. Need 6'4" minimum.

 

[NashuaPats]

Most of what I’ve read for the past year is that Maye would be the #1 pick in most drafts. That Williams and Maye are the two best qb prospects after Lawrence since Andrew luck was drafted.

People are down on Maye because he had a down year, but he had a weak OL. That’s actually probably good preparation for the NFL. Most of the QB prospects are coming from elite teams where their OL gives them a huge advantage.

Maye is also two years younger than Daniels and Penix. Neither of those guys were on the radar until this year where they both had dominant lines and elite weapons. They also both had receivers who may be drafted in the top ten. LSU has two receivers who will likely be picked in the first round.

Williams will likely go first or second and his attitude is concerning.

I think Maye is the guy.

 

[upstater1]

I also don't like Williams. 6'1"?!!! Too damn small. And he cries in his mommas arms like a baby? HELL NO! Lil QBs suck. Need 6'4" minimum.

Rodgers 6-2. Mahomes 6-2. Brees 6-0. Other than Brady and Manning these are the top 5 QBs of the last 25 years