The inside story of the Patriots’ fall to rock bottom in the Bill Belichick era

[RIpats88]

Haha, oh it was the coaching, eh? But it wasn't the coaching 2 years prior when all that talent won the Super Bowl!!!!

When you rebuild, you rebuild. If the QB you have is horrible (Mac Jones), you go back to the well and try again. Welcome to the NFL. This is how it is. No head coach is going to win games by himself. That's what rebuilding is all about.

But I'll say it again: when your QB is horrible, you're going to lose a lot of games.

When you QB is Mac or Newton, you're going to lose. When Belichick's QBs have been halfway decent, he's won a good amount of games.

name the pro-bowl and all-pro players bill has brought in as foundational pieces the last 4 years.....there are none. roster has gotten worse.

4 years.....4 years and the roster has gotten worse. that's not on the QB or a successful "rebuild" not a single pro-bowl player. this idea that Bill has built this amazing super bowl caliber roster/offense that is just being held back by poor QB play is not based in reality.

the reality is bill has built a mediocre to horrible offense that is also being hampered by poor QB play. we are woefully lacking talent.

 

[Real fan 02]

In your rage to get rid of Belichick, you've gone over the top to a level of absurdity.

The willingness to credit Brady for that throw or that game is crazy when even Brady said he had a subpar game.

And to say Belichick was in decline when the team gave up 3 points to one of the top 11 offenses in NFL history. IN A SUPER BOWL!!!

This game was the exact opposite of what you describe. Belichick deserves an immense amount of credit for that victory.

You put any other coach there and they don't win.

The absurd things I read on this board, amazing.

 

[RobertWeathers]

name the pro-bowl and all-pro players bill has brought in as foundational pieces the last 4 years.....there are none. roster has gotten worse.

4 years.....4 years and the roster has gotten worse. that's not on the QB or a successful "rebuild" not a single pro-bowl player.

Judon. Barmore is on the cusp. Gonzo and Rham are pot'l. Marcus was but got hurt.

In the dynasty days the Patriots never had a ton of probowlers/all-pros but they had a kick ass upper-middle class and their GOAT QB put them over the top.

Now they have neither.

 

[Real fan 02]

name the pro-bowl and all-pro players bill has brought in as foundational pieces the last 4 years.....there are none. roster has gotten worse.

4 years.....4 years and the roster has gotten worse. that's not on the QB or a successful "rebuild" not a single pro-bowl player. this idea that Bill has built this amazing super bowl caliber roster/offense that is just being held back by poor QB play is not based in reality.

the reality is bill has built a mediocre to horrible offense that is also being hampered by poor QB play. we are woefully lacking talent.

All the pro bowl players on this years team I lost count there is so many.. hahaha.. # the bill defenders won't mention that they are stuck in the past. Bill himself even said what was done in the past does not Matter..

 

[skinnydog]

I never got why Bill let Josh take so much of the existing staff. It is typically an unwritten rule that when a coordinator leaves to become a head coach that he cannot poach from the team's staff on the way out the door. I don't remember Josh getting many or any coaches when he went to Denver. Nor Patricia when he went to Detroit, Flores to Miami, or Rack or Weis and certainly not Mangini to the Jets. Why did Belichick let Josh take so many coaches that literally gutted this staff? With Patricia taking over, he could have used as much offensive coaching talent with experience as possible. And the blocking of Caley seems stupid in hindsight since he seems to have been slighted and bolted the first chance he got.

And I don't get the hiring of Klemm after this article. His coach philosophy clearly doesn't align with Belichick's and his system. Why would they try to force a square peg into a round hole like that?

I think generally coaches have a right to leave if they’re getting a promotion. Bill’s philosophy seems to that if you’re a coach then you can coach even if you don’t have specific experience in what you’re coaching

 

[Real fan 02]

He won with a organization that was on 2 decades of complete decline. A organization that has a history of losing.

He literally walked through those doors and won a ship for a team that wasn't even sniffing the playoffs before he got there.


That's a miracle

Facts!!!

 

[Ross12]

Kraft is ****ed.

He chose Bill over Brady and all he came away with at the and of the day is the equivalent of one extra year with Bill?

Kraft has to own that legacy too. He let Bill make that decision and rot the relationship with the best asset you had and all so Bill could coach 4 seasons instead of Brady being here the previous 3?

That's disgusting

One low-percentage potential silver lining would be if Mayo is his successor, and the extra years with Bill allowed Mayo to develop into a better coach - and then Mayo goes on to become a great HC for the NEP. It would have been worth it in that scenario. But the likelihood of that is slim.

 

[Steve102]

Another fekkin' thread ruined.

 

[Steve102]

Jesus faulking christ with the Brady vs belichick thing. You people need therapy

They cannot help themselves.

 

[Rob0729]

If they do this, it's proof positive the Krafts have lose their minds.

The guy is one of the worst QBs I've ever seen. Seems they don't know if they're watching football or rugby.

The guy fell apart, but he started the season pretty decently. He played fairly well in September. He still made some costly mistakes early in games. But people forget the Pats were one dragged Boutte foot away from potentially beating the Eagles. And Reagor dropped a TD pass in another game.

The Cowboys game on was a disaster.

I would move on from him because of his lack of mental toughness. He could still be potentially rehabbed by the right team and right situation. I just doubt it will be the Pats no matter who the head coach is.

 

[Rob0729]

I think generally coaches have a right to leave if they’re getting a promotion. Bill’s philosophy seems to that if you’re a coach then you can coach even if you don’t have specific experience in what you’re coaching

That is the league rule. It is an unwritten rule around the league that you don’t poach from the coaching staff you are leaving when you become head coach.

 

[dtbrks]

It's time, regardless of all that has transpired. It's been a long, great run. Time to restart.

 

[festy1986]

Haha, oh it was the coaching, eh? But it wasn't the coaching 2 years prior when all that talent won the Super Bowl!!!!

When you rebuild, you rebuild. If the QB you have is horrible (Mac Jones), you go back to the well and try again. Welcome to the NFL. This is how it is. No head coach is going to win games by himself. That's what rebuilding is all about.

But I'll say it again: when your QB is horrible, you're going to lose a lot of games.

When you QB is Mac or Newton, you're going to lose. When Belichick's QBs have been halfway decent, he's won a good amount of games.

The facts are the facts.

The only truth you can conjure is the 1 to 1 comp

Brady did just fine without Bill. Bill can't say the same.

There's no reason to find 8000 variables to find the point that can be made with one.

1 to 0.

End of discussion

 

[festy1986]

One low-percentage potential silver lining would be if Mayo is his successor, and the extra years with Bill allowed Mayo to develop into a better coach - and then Mayo goes on to become a great HC for the NEP. It would have been worth it in that scenario. But the likelihood of that is slim.

Perhaps.

But some of us think hiring Mayo for Bill is a disaster waiting to unfold.

First time head coach. Defensive guy in a offensive league, taking over a roster that is a mess and no franchise or even serviceable QB?

Call me crazy but that doesn't project well.

 

[VrabelJr]

I realized something today: The only people I know that want BB fired are a smattering of idiots on this forum and fans of other NFL teams.

 

[upstater1]

LOL! It's all Mac's fault!

Hahahahahahaah! Dude, seriously. You're making yourself look foolish. Mac is/was part of the problem. The biggest problem is BB's arrogance and hubris post-Brady.

You continue to underrate how bad Mac is even after everything you've seen.

It amazes me. It's beyond absurd.

QB is THE most important position in all of team sports. It determines so much of the outcome. If you have one of the worst QBs the league has ever seen, you're going to have very bad outcomes.

It's axiomatic.

 

[upstater1]

The facts are the facts.

The only truth you can conjure is the 1 to 1 comp

Brady did just fine without Bill. Bill can't say the same.

There's no reason to find 8000 variables to find the point that can be made with one.

1 to 0.

End of discussion

If you choose to ignore the facts, you're blind. The whole post lays it out, but continue on in ignorance

 

[festy1986]

If you choose to ignore the facts, you're blind. The whole post lays it out, but continue on in ignorance

What's there to focus on?

We've been really really bad the last 4 years.

Who do you wager is to blame for that?

 

[upstater1]

The guy fell apart, but he started the season pretty decently. He played fairly well in September. He still made some costly mistakes early in games. But people forget the Pats were one dragged Boutte foot away from potentially beating the Eagles. And Reagor dropped a TD pass in another game.

The Cowboys game on was a disaster.

I would move on from him because of his lack of mental toughness. He could still be potentially rehabbed by the right team and right situation. I just doubt it will be the Pats no matter who the head coach is.

LOl, I like you a lot as a poster, but man do we disagree on this!

He won't be rehabbed, he'll never have a career. Nathan Peterman lasted several more years so I guess Mac will keep playing football. He's not Curtis Painter / Tim Boyle level, but he is Nathan Peterman.

 

[Ross12]

The guy fell apart, but he started the season pretty decently. He played fairly well in September. He still made some costly mistakes early in games. But people forget the Pats were one dragged Boutte foot away from potentially beating the Eagles. And Reagor dropped a TD pass in another game.

The Cowboys game on was a disaster.

I would move on from him because of his lack of mental toughness. He could still be potentially rehabbed by the right team and right situation. I just doubt it will be the Pats no matter who the head coach is.

People forget about the Miami game, some of the plays he made to get out of the pocket and extend the play were eye-opening. For a brief time during that game I was feeling very enthusiastic about Mac Jones. I want to know where that Mac went.