Tankathon

[JohnJH]

I'd be ecstatic if they take Harrison. Point is at #3, you have choices you don't have at #5 or #6.

Yes. Better choices come with a higher pick/picks!

 

[1960Pats]

Now's a great time to lose to the Jets and have it actually be a win.

Make it happen.

I'm hoping patriot players opt out, Bill does the right thing and we can all go into the off-season with some hope.

I want a QB but I'll take Harrison as a consolation prize.

It isn't hopeless because of where we draft and I think Harrison is off to Chicago. Sorry.

 

[festy1986]

It isn't hopeless because of where we draft and I think Harrison is off to Chicago. Sorry.

Chicago isn't taking Harrison number 1.

And if they do that's good for us because I rather have Drake Maye

 

[venecol]

I detailed a bit further up the page, but don't even need all 4 games to go our way. Basically just need the Colts and Steelers to lose as many or more games as the Packers and Raiders. If the Packers and Raiders go 1-1 then the Colts and Steelers need to go 1-1 or 0-2, etc, for the Pats to tie SOS with the Giants. If they tie then the Pats win the #4 seed due to head-to-head. Could be #3 if AZ gets a win over Seattle.

Reason I used all 4 was because NYG SoS moved up .02 w/ GB win. We are .07 higher, so 4 wins x .02 = .08
It was my lazy shortcut at it since I haven't tabulated the numbers.

Like Ian, you're missing the interconference tiebreaker which is above the head-to-head.

 

[venecol]

Yes. Better choices come with a higher pick/picks!

Point is Pats need to lose. Play Rourke at QB and all the rookies or go for it on every 4th down like Panthers did yesterday.

I understand that's not going to happen, which sucks.

 

[Ian]

Point is Pats need to lose. Play Rourke at QB and all the rookies or go for it on every 4th down like Panthers did yesterday.

I understand that's not going to happen, which sucks.

Sort of too bad we're at this point in the year. If there were 2-3 more games left, I'd also like to see Rourke see some time given all the buzz after the Jags lost him, but we'll probably have to wait until 2024 for that.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Reason I used all 4 was because NYG SoS moved up .02 w/ GB win. We are .07 higher, so 4 wins x .02 = .08
It was my lazy shortcut at it since I haven't tabulated the numbers.

Like Ian, you're missing the interconference tiebreaker which is above the head-to-head.

The first interconference tiebreaker is head-to-head. [Remember: there are three sets of tiebreakers: (1) teams in the same division; (2) teams in different divisions of the same conference; (3) teams in different conferences.]

 

[1960Pats]

I’m a 30 year fan. And I want the Pats to lose.

People disagreeing with you does not, by default, make them “clueless”.

It’s simply executive function…immediate gratification vs. best for the longer term outcome.

It’s certainly subjective.

A win vs the Jets does absolutely nothing for 2024 season and beyond, a loss does.

Ultimately, I doubt the Pats lose to the Jets, and they end up at #6 taking best LT available.

Not the end of the world, but still need a QB so you are hoping a Mccarthy slips to the 2nd rd pick

I'm a 63 year Pats fan and I always root for the Pats to win, especially so against the Jets in front of the fans who are making the trek. And I know that every player feels the same way. The look on the faces of Jeff Saturday and PEDton Manning when Polian had them taken out to tank a late season game told me all I need to know about how they felt, but I already knew that. It's very possible that PEDton's hostility to Indy now is a result of losing the perfect season on purpose that day.

And I never called you clueless so why don't you get rid of the quotes. I was actually calling you out on your idea that it was hopeless if we got a worse pick.
For all any of us know a later pick might get us a better player.
Maybe the Pats pick the right guy.
Maybe they pick the wrong guy.
Maybe they pick a guy in between.
It's a crap shoot.
No matter what

 

[venecol]

The first interconference tiebreaker is head-to-head. [Remember: there are three sets of tiebreakers: (1) teams in the same division; (2) teams in different divisions of the same conference; (3) teams in different conferences.]

That's not the way I understand it. First division record, 2nd conference record, 3rd interconference record. All of these are overall records, not head-to-head. If there's a tie after the 1st three or they're not applicable, you then go to head-to-head, common opponents, etc.

Interconference records:
NYG 1-3 (.250)
NEP 0-5 (.000)

 

[Triumph]

It isn't hopeless because of where we draft and I think Harrison is off to Chicago. Sorry.

Agreed

Fields has shown enough to not take a QB with the # 1 pick.

 

[venecol]

Agreed

Fields has shown enough to not take a QB with the # 1 pick.

Then they'll trade back to #3 knowing 1st 2 will be QBs.

 

[Triumph]

Point is Pats need to lose. Play Rourke at QB and all the rookies or go for it on every 4th down like Panthers did yesterday.

I understand that's not going to happen, which sucks.

BB is getting his team trained for 2024.

 

[Triumph]

Then they'll trade back to #3 knowing 1st 2 will be QBs.

No sure bet that BB will take a QB that high.

 

[lancerman]

I'm a 63 year Pats fan and I always root for the Pats to win, especially so against the Jets in front of the fans who are making the trek. And I know that every player feels the same way. The look on the faces of Jeff Saturday and PEDton Manning when Polian had them taken out to tank a late season game told me all I need to know about how they felt, but I already knew that. It's very possible that PEDton's hostility to Indy now is a result of losing the perfect season on purpose that day.

And I never called you clueless so why don't you get rid of the quotes. I was actually calling you out on your idea that it was hopeless if we got a worse pick.
For all any of us know a later pick might get us a better player.
Maybe the Pats pick the right guy.
Maybe they pick the wrong guy.
Maybe they pick a guy in between.
It's a crap shoot.
No matter what

Tbf that was a completely different scenario. The Colts that year went undefeated up through game 14 and had a team that would have been .500 and a team with a losing record left and the front office basically said to them "sorry you don't get a chance to tie your greatest rivals and potential to make history".

The Patriots aren't playing anymore games this year. There's no emotions you have to consider for future games, their status as a losing squad that was dreadful is set in stone no matter the outcome and anyone who still is locked into a contract is going to get more hyped if they have some strong new QB or WR coming in to help boost them than whatever this Jets game means.

 

[Drunken Cicerone]

I just really really really don’t like drake maye, I’m certainly no expert but his numbers don’t jump off the page against less stellar talent and he blew some games against some relatively mediocre teams. Arm strength and size are tempting but give me Daniels all day every day, or one of the two OTs

 

[Ross12]

Reason I used all 4 was because NYG SoS moved up .02 w/ GB win. We are .07 higher, so 4 wins x .02 = .08
It was my lazy shortcut at it since I haven't tabulated the numbers.

Like Ian, you're missing the interconference tiebreaker which is above the head-to-head.

There’s no inter-conference tiebreaker - if two teams have the same SOS and are in different conferences, the next tiebreaker is head-to-head.

The rules of the NFL Draft | NFL Football Operations

Which team will go first? How long does each team have to make its pick? Who is eligible to be drafted? The NFL has specific rules for each part of the draft process.

operations.nfl.com

 

[venecol]

This 1st RD pick could set them up for the next 10 years. Nothing really that important though.

Certainly not as important as beating the lowly Jete for the 16th time in a row, because the message is still not clear who the better team has been. Patriots must show the entire world that when it comes to the Jete, they need to know who their daddy is. Lol

 

[sportnik]

The first interconference tiebreaker is head-to-head. [Remember: there are three sets of tiebreakers: (1) teams in the same division; (2) teams in different divisions of the same conference; (3) teams in different conferences.]

If the Pats & Giants have the same SOS, the first tiebreaker is head to head, per the NFL site:

If the teams have the same strength of schedule, division or conference tiebreakers are applied. If the divisional or conference tiebreakers are not applicable, or ties still exist between teams of different conferences, ties will be broken the following tie-breaking method:

1. Head-to-head, if applicable

The rules of the NFL Draft | NFL Football Operations

Which team will go first? How long does each team have to make its pick? Who is eligible to be drafted? The NFL has specific rules for each part of the draft process.

operations.nfl.com

If the Pats win & Giants lose, they will have identical SOS. All the conference games offset. Both teams played New Orleans & no other NFC South team, so if the Steelers & Colts combined losses is equal to or greater than number of Raider/Packer losses, the Pats can pick no lower than 4.

 

[venecol]

There’s no inter-conference tiebreaker - if two teams have the same SOS and are in different conferences, the next tiebreaker is head-to-head.

The rules of the NFL Draft | NFL Football Operations

Which team will go first? How long does each team have to make its pick? Who is eligible to be drafted? The NFL has specific rules for each part of the draft process.

operations.nfl.com

OK, I stand corrected. So it's head-to-head, if it gets to that.

The first interconference tiebreaker is head-to-head. [Remember: there are three sets of tiebreakers: (1) teams in the same division; (2) teams in different divisions of the same conference; (3) teams in different conferences.]

You are correct, I'm wrong.

 

[JMC00]

What it's like watching the Patriots the past couple of years.

so stop watching